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jabba
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 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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Hi All,
What are the trade off of not using Eheim.
I Would like to pick sunsun or aquazonic since they cost less than 1/3rd for 2400 liter/hour.
What will i loose on doing that?
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jabba
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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suggestions please  |
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karthik_nambiar
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| Just Google & you will know why you have to go with Ehiem Canister Filters only !!! |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| karthik_nambiar wrote (View Post):
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Just Google & you will know why you have to go with Ehiem Canister Filters only !!!
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I too use eheims but dont agree with that statement.
TRUE! that they are more durable, reliable, power efficient and almost dead silent.
BUT they are expensive - considerably more than the competitors - of course you compromise on the above mentioned attributes but I think it is subjective if the difference is worth the EXTRA cost!
Eheims have a disappointing slow rate - but then again, people attribute that for a superior biological filtration due to increased contact time!
My verdict would be to first invest on the best substrate and then on the filter.
Also, if you do intend to buy an Eheim, dont go by the figures on the website.
They are highly over rated when it comes to flow! |
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jabba
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation Jack.
I was actually planning to go for SUN SUN since the price is as said before 1/3 rd of EHEIM and i feel SUN SUN is not that bad a brand.
But still Always the final decision is left for IAHians  . |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| I would always bet for eheim! |
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jack86
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| jabba wrote (View Post):
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Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation Jack.
i feel SUN SUN is not that bad a brand.
But still Always the final decision is left for IAHians .
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Glad to be of help.
If you are planning on something which is going to long lasting then you should buy Eheim - no doubt about that, if your budget permits.
If you may upgrade to a larger tank/exit the hobby etc etc then buying Eheim may not make sense. |
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jack86
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| umashankar wrote (View Post):
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I would always bet for eheim!
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So would I, but given the price difference there are a few options worth exploring!
A DIY canister (An ART mastered by Hamsa - i think) would cost you probably 1/5th of a 2217. And, with same media and similar flow rate , should work just as well too! (same would hold true for reliability) |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| One thing that sucks about Eheims, atleast the classic series is that there are no media baskets. It makes cleaning out the filters messy and a pain IMHO |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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I do not want to sound like an Eheim dealer but spread peanuts and all you get are monkeys!Quality definitely comes at a price.I have been guilty of investing in a couple of cheap Chinese canisters before buying an Eheim and today I simply regret it.
Thousands of aquarium hobbyist swear by Eheim filters and they don't do it without reason.
No, they are not overrated by any stretch of imagination and people have been using them for decades without any complaints!Silent,reliable (like most German products) and with proper filter media in place abides by the principle "what goes in, stays in".
As for the low flow complaint, it might be rewarding to clean the pipes from inside, check for any gurgling sound (entrapped air) or check the O ring for condition. |
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jabba
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:08 am Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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So eheim will be it. but which one is the best that is the one with media baskets, which will be easy in cleaning.
The actual thing is I have a future plan for a 4x2x2 feet tank but currently I have a 2x1x1.5 feet tank.
I am collecting one by one items in 2 feeter for that 4 feeter. My anubias collection,CO2 set up,drift wood for that tank is complete by gods grace .
So i want to buy one canister to replace my HOB for my current 2 feeter in such a way, that I can use this one, with one more for my future 4 feeter.
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jabba
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:04 am Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| please suggest |
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jack86
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| jabba wrote (View Post):
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but which one is the best that is the one with media baskets, which will be easy in cleaning.
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Classics do not come with a basket. Eco pro does! But you get lesser bang for the bucks spent because you get lesser media volume compared the to the classic you could have bough otherwise.
Also there are many threads where hobbyists suggest that eco pro is not as silent as the classic.
IMO you should not bother too much about classic not having a basket as you will probably clean your filter twice a year and absence of basket should not be such a major botheration to not to buy a classic...unless of course you are planning for professional 3! :_
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So i want to buy one canister to replace my HOB for my current 2 feeter in such a way, that I can use this one, with one more for my future 4 feeter.
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Oh boy! Well, that is way too much to ask from god himself, let alone Eheim!
You will need a 2215 for 2 ftr and 2217 for 4.
2215 is under powered to handle 4ftr and 2117 is over powered for 2! |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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| ok so i can have proper filteration for a 4x2x2 tank using one 2215 and 2217 together right |
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jack86
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: trade offs for not using Eheim |
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I tried one thing!
Tried to run a 3-month seasoned 2217 on a 1.5X1X1 bare bottom tank with cardinals in it.
The flow is more than what I would like to have (despite it being clogged up a bit) but with a spray bar the flow is not enough to slam cardinals to the walls!
I am sure with some DIY this could be taken care of! But then - I reiterate - it is a seasoned 2217 which prob requires cleaning!
Now to answer your question, No! You would need 2X2217. A 2215 has almost half the flow rate but 85% the cost of 2217! so it ain't good enough! |
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