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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Dear  friends:
 
 this  sand  is  the  construction  sand  used  in  navi  mumbai,  don't  know  about  other  places,  Mayur  from  this  forum  told  me  that  this  sand  is  from  Gujrat.
 
 The  dealer  told  that  that  this  is  river  sand.
 I  am  attaching  few  pics  of  the  sand,  I  have  poured  HCL  on  it  and  there  is  not  affect  on  it.
 
 So  can  this  be  used  as  a  substrate  for  planted  tank?  
 Has  anybody  used  this?
 
 Pour  in  your  comments.
 
 More  images  at  below  link.  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/112557423823458593280/ConsturctionSandAquarium?authkey=Gv1sRgCNz_6v6b5_GGlwE#
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 it"s  definitely  not  river  sand,  looks  more  like  golden/beach  sand.  No  plants  will  grow  in  it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Looks  like  sea  sand  to  me.
 It  would  not  be  very  good  for  a  planted  tank,  but  you  can  sieve  it  and  use  it.
 However  you  will  have  to  wash  it  very  thoroughly  to  take  out  all  salt  from  it.
 Try  and  have  a  laterite  layer  as  base.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Anil..
 If  you  brought  the  sand  from  a  construction  site  and  if  sure  that  it  was  used  in  construction,  then  you  can  use  it  in  your  aquarium..
 Sand  from  beaches  are  not  used  in  construction  business..  the  salt  content  will  corrode  the  steel  bars  used  for  re-inforcement  and  cement  does  not  bond  with  the  sand  properly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 i  am  with  nidhi
 i  am  from  constrcution  ind.  we  never  use  sea  sand.  it  is  always  river  sand  (  except  belapur  sand  )  but  no  no  to  sea  sand.  we  have  1  project  in  gujrat  (Vadodara)  where  i  have  seen  such  type  of  construction  sand  as  river  sand  and  it  is  of  same  colour.  our  members  from  gujrat  can  throw  some  light  on  this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

                                                   
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Anil..
 If  you  brought  the  sand  from  a  construction  site  and  if  sure  that  it  was  used  in  construction,  then  you  can  use  it  in  your  aquarium..
 Sand  from  beaches  are  not  used  in  construction  business..  the  salt  content  will  corrode  the  steel  bars  used  for  re-inforcement  and  cement  does  not  bond  with  the  sand  properly.                

 
 Yes  Nidhi......this  is  also  my  view  is,  beacause  though  it  looks  like  beach  sand  the  beach  sand  is  never  used  in  contruction  business,  other  wise  there  would  not  have  be  sand  mafia  and  sand  shortage  business......
 
 I  got  this  sand  from  a  consturtion  dealer  and  surely  it  is  used  for  construction.
 
 Yes  people  need  more  comments.............
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Irrespective  of  Sea  Sand  or  River  sand,  plants  will  not  do  well  in  Sand.  Sand  is  too  fine  for  the  roots  to  penetrate  easily   and  they  block  flow  of  water  (  oxygen  )  properly  to  the  roots.
   Most  of  your  plants'  root  will  rot  and  the  plant  will  perish  slowly.  
 You  need  to  ensure  that  the  granules  are  at  least  2-3  mm  in  size.  Sieveing  it  to  get  only  the  desired  size  may  be  a  good  idea.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Exactly....  +1  Prabhu
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Hi  Anil,
 I  have  used  the  above  shown  sand  in  my  earlier  planted  thanks,only  thing  is  you  should  remove  the  fine  particle  sand  by  seving  and  a  bottom  layer  of(ie  1/2inch)  laterite  or  some  garden  soli  should  be  used  and  topped  with  above  shown  soil.
 for  further  reference  look  my  older  posts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

                                                   
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Irrespective  of  Sea  Sand  or  River  sand,  plants  will  not  do  well  in  Sand.  Sand  is  too  fine  for  the  roots  to  penetrate  easily  ¬†and  they  block  flow  of  water  (  oxygen  )  properly  to  the  roots.
   Most  of  your  plants'  root  will  rot  and  the  plant  will  perish  slowly.  
 You  need  to  ensure  that  the  granules  are  at  least  2-3  mm  in  size.  Sieveing  it  to  get  only  the  desired  size  may  be  a  good  idea.
 
 Prabhu                

 
 I  am  currently  using  construction  sand  in  my  new  planted  aquarium  and  I  must  say  that  I  am  very  pleased  with  the  results.  The  sand  does  have  a  significant  calcium  content,  but  I  have  got  good  results  in  a  small  scale  using  citric  acid  drops  as  a  buffer.  Please  note  I  have  not  used  citric  acid  in  the  main  tank,  but  I  did  it  under  controlled  conditions.
 
 Coming  back  t  my  main  tank,  the  results  are  good.
 
 However  I  have  to  agree  with  the  others......WASHING  IS  ABSOLOUTELY  VITAL.  I  got  it  done  the  easier  way.  I  got  one  of  the  construction  workers  to  wash  it  for  me  for  Rs  100.   Clapping  Even  then  I  had  to  still  wash  the  bloody  thing  mug  by  mug  till  the  supernatant  water  was  absolutely  clear.  Back  breaking  excercise.  I  had  to  wash  nearly  3  big  sacks  for  my  4.5x2x2.  Lost  5  kilos.   Crying or Very sad  
 
 The  final  point  is  that  Nature  WILL  do  its  best  to  survive  in  any  condition.  Just  get  the  water  conditions  right,  maintain  good  nutrient  levels,  go  for  CO2,  plenty  of  light  and  a  ton  of  prayer  and  things  should  be  fine.  It  will  definitely  make  you  wise.
 
 Wisdom  =  Experience  +  Knowledge.
 
 I  want  to  encourage  you  in  this.  Please  see  the  attached  pictures.
 
 OH  BY  THE  WAY.....  do  take  a  half  glass  of  the  sand  in  a  glass,  add  water  till  the  top  of  the  glass  and  stir  well.  let  it  settle  and  then  taste  a  bit  of  it  on  your  tongue.  (dont  swallow).  If  its  salty  dont  use  it.   Drinking  
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f6xLe__CLDBDtT0dsDQ51U4sMKNl1dBXhjpF4jC4uIM?feat=directlink
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Hi  Anil,  
 Already  quite  a  lot  of  varied  inputs  from  our  fellow  members  here.  Just  my  two  cents.
 1.  Construction  sand  like  this  can  be  used  in  planted  tanks  only  if  they  are  inert.  Just  take  a  bit  of  sand  and  pour  some  HCl/H2SO4  on  it.  If  you  see  effervescence,  don't  use  it.  If  nothing  happens  -  fine,  you  can  use  it.
 2.  As  some  of  members  have  already  pointed  out,  you  need  to  sieve  the  sand  to  granuels  of  3-5  mm  size.  Fine  sand  will  block  water  flow  to  bottom.
 3.  Such  sands  on  themselves  are  inert  so  are  of  no  help  in  planted  tanks  as  far  as  nutrition  is  concerned,  so  if  available  use  laterite  as  1"  bottom  layer,  top  it  with  chemical  free  garden  soil  1"  -  1.5"  and  now  top  this  with  your  construction  soil  by  1"  more.  
 I've  had  experience  with  these  kinds  of  layering.  They  work  pretty  well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 If  you  are  paying  for  this  ...  why  not  buy,  im  not  sure  what  they  call  it  but  the  lfs  call  it  river  sand  as  well  except  that  is  it  red  in  color.  Its  rich  in  iron  ...  and  invest  in  a  little  substrate  as  well.
 
 IMO  substrate  and  soil  play  the  most  important  role  in  your  tank  aside  from  lighting,  co2  and  ferts.
 
 Its  a  planted  tank  dude  ...  you  wanna  get  your  base  right.
 
 Your  choice!
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 Ya  ...lots  and  lots  of  comments  from  experienced  people....
 I  was  thinking  of  using  it  as  it  is  very  cheap,  yes  my  plan  was  to  put  some  laterite  at  bottom  and  after  that  layer  of  red  soil,  which  i  already  have  and  on  top  to  use  this.
 
 Still  need  to  be  decided........
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 hi  Anil,  
 
 I  have  also  used  construction  sand  for  my  Aquascape  which  I  made  last  sunday.  Not  sure  if  the  plants  are  growing.  Check  my  pics  
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/112537936928957348567/Public?authuser=0&feat=directlink
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use this sand as planted substrate? Reply with quote

 Anil  go  head  and  use  it  I  have  seen  this  sand,  yes  it  is  inert  so  you  can  grow  stem  plants,  according  to  me  stem  plants  absorb  nutrients  from  water  column   hence  you  need  to  dose  ferts  from  day  1.
 personally  I  have  grown  stem  plants  in  fine  white  sand  but  yes  fine  sand  is  bad  choice
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