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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Personal exeriences of breaking of glass aquaria Reply with quote

 I  am  desirous  of  hearing  to  personal  experiences  of  aquarists  of  the  nightmare  of  breaking  of  glass  aqauaria.  This  could  be  useful  for  everybody,  I  suppose.  Please  narrate  what  exactly  happed.  How  did  it  start?  How  did  it  proceed?  What  remedial  actions  were  taken?  In  your  opinion,  what  precautions  should  have  been  taken  to  avoid  the  disaster?
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 Hi  Kelkar,
           I  would  like  to  share  my  experience  about  glass  cracking.  I  had  ordered  a  4'  X  1.5'  X  1.5'  aquarium  and  had  it  made  at  home  itself.  After  assembling  it  the  same  was  mounted  on  the  stand  prepared  for  it.  After  2  days  I  filled  water  about  half  the  level  of  the  aquarium.  The  same  remained  fine  for  about  a  week  I  introduced  some  guppies  to  check  the  water  parameters  before  introducing  other  fishes.  Afterwards  I  filled  the  tank  upto  the  brim.  The  next  day  I  found  out  that  the  whole  front  glass  section  had  cracked  like  a  triangle.  Later  found  out  that  the  person  who  had  made  the  tank  had  not  filled  enough  silica  betwen  the  sides.  Due  to  the  pressure  of  water  the  glass  just  cracked.
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 @Suneal,
 It  seems  the  crack  developed  when  you  were  not  around.  Did  you  see  the  crack  developing?  What  was  the  thickness  of  the  front  glass?  Was  the  front  glass  braced  at  the  top?
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 Hi,
 
         My  friend  hayath  and  I  made  an  aquarium  at  home  ,  dimensions  4ft  *  18  inches  *  20  inches.  The  glass  was  10mm.  We  had  used  GE  sealant.  The  tank  was  initially  placed  on  the  floor.  After  2  days  filled  it  with  water  almost  to  the  brim  and  had  put  2  big  tinfoil  barbs  ,  a  copper  oscar,  a  golden  severum  and  a  texas.  Everything  was  fine  for  a  week  .  By  that  time  i  received  the  stand  i  had  ordered.  So  we  emptied  the  tank,  well  a  very  little  water  was  left.  We  moved  it  on  the  stand.  Dumped  around  50  kgs  of  stand  did  a  lot  of  decorations  with  stones,  pebbles,  plants  etc.  Topped  it  with  water  to  the  brim,  well  almost  300  litres.  Then  populated  the  tank  with  all  the  above  said  fish  along  with  green  terrors,  convicts,  sharks  etc.  5  hrs  enjoyed  watching  my  big  tank  with  lighting  etc.  Midnight  around  12.30  am.  while  was  about  to  sleep  my  worst  night  mare  came  to  reality.  The  sealant  between  the  rear  glass  and  the  bottom  gave  off  and  almost  within  5  minutes  300  litres  of  water  gushed  out  like  a  water  fall.  Somehow  faught  to  save  the  fish  but  the  entire  house  and  the  groundfloor  (which  is  the  landlord's  house  unfortuntately)  were  almost  flooded.  
         The  mistake  we  feel  is  with  the  GE  sealant  which  some  people  said  is  not  appropriate  for  making  big  tanks.  Then  we  dismantled  the  tank  and  rebuilt  it  from  scratch  with  elastoseal.  Now  its  ok.
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 @Vishakrs,
 Your  rear  glass  came  off  from  bottom  glass.  It  did  not  break.  Am  I  right?
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with  elastoseal.  Now  its  ok.                

 good  choice!
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 Here's  my  little  nightmare.  I  acquired  the  hobby  of  fishkeeping  from  my  husband  2  years  ago.  We  quickly  bought  ourselves  a  beautiful  new  79  gallon  (4  feet)  tank  with  a  wooden  cabinet  and  canopy  and  since  our  favourite  fish  are  loaches,  we  decided  to  start  a  school  of  clown  loaches.  1  year  and  20  clown  loaches  later  my  tank  decided  to  leak.  I  was  away  at  my  Mum's  place  for  the  weekend  and  hubby  was  out  of  town.  When  I  returned  home  on  Tuesday  morning,  my  house  was  flooded  with  water  and  about  20%  of  the  water  in  the  tank  had  leaked.
 
 I  had  two  choices,  keep  the  fish  in  the  tank  risk  the  tank  breaking  or  transfer  my  prized  fish  into  a  bucket  and  get  the  tank  fixed.  I  obviously  moved  the  fish  and  separated  them  between  a  one  foot  quarantine  tank  and  a  30  litre  bucket.  
 
 By  the  time  I  could  get  the  tank  fixed,  a  week  had  passed.  I  had  lost  2  kuhli  loaches  and  one  ram.  I  suspect  the  kuhlies  died  of  stress  and  the  ram  from  lack  of  oxygen.  This  despite  the  fact  that  I  did  daily  water  changes  for  the  water  in  the  bucket  and  the  QT  tank.  
 
 Hubby  came  back  home  from  trip  and  we  started  to  fill  the  tank  up.  We  obviously  had  no  cured  water,  so  we  took  some  from  the  tank  in  the  bedroom  which  was  a  cichlid  tank  and  water  from  the  bucket,  but  this  was  a  79  gallon  tank  and  over  80%  of  the  water  came  straight  from  the  tap.
 
 The  fish  had  not  been  fed  for  a  week  and  I  was  worried,  so  again,  I  was  faced  with  a  choice.  Put  the  fish  in  the  tank,  or  keep  them  in  the  bucket  for  another  day.  I  chose  to  put  them  in  the  tank.  I  immediately  lost  one  more  kuhli  loach  the  next  day  and  3  clowns  in  the  week  to  follow.  The  clowns  had  black  blotches  on  the  skin  that  were  caused  due  to  a  bacterial  infection  that  prolly  set  in  while  they  were  in  the  bucket  or  due  to  the  sudden  change  in  water  parameters.  The  cure,  I  added  some  terramycin  and  salt  and  kept  the  lights  off.  Fed  little  and  regularly  and  17  clowns  and  all  of  the  other  fish  survived.
 
 What  I  would  have  done  differently?
 
 Probably  gotten  me  one  of  those  bath  tubs  you  use  to  bathe  infants  in,  and  used  that.  The  bucket  I  had  was  tall  and  there  wasnt  much  area  for  the  fish.  I  dont  think  I  could  have  done  anything  else,  though  I  would  welcome  your  suggestions.
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 Hi  Kelkar                                                  
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@Suneal,  
 It  seems  the  crack  developed  when  you  were  not  around.  Did  you  see  the  crack  developing?  What  was  the  thickness  of  the  front  glass?  Was  the  front  glass  braced  at  the  top?
                 

 The  crack  may  have  developed  when  I  was  not  around,  because  the  tank  is  at  the  place  which  I  visit  once  a  week.    The  thickness  of  the  glass  was  6  mm  and  the  front  glass  was  braced  at  the  top.  When  I  visited  the  place  the  floor  was  all  wet  with  no  survivors.  Yet  to  repair  the  tank.
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 Sorry  friends.  I  am  accused  of  being  indecent  in  my  posts  by  none  other  than  Mr.  Madan,  the  administrator.  Hence  for  the  sake  of  decency,  I  will  not  be  responding  to  any  posting  till  such  time  he  apologises.  Otherwise  I  am  saying  "Good  Buy"  to  IAH.
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rskelkar  wrote:                
Sorry  friends.  I  am  accused  of  being  indecent  in  my  posts  by  none  other  than  Mr.  Madan,  the  administrator.  Hence  for  the  sake  of  decency,  I  will  not  be  responding  to  any  posting  till  such  time  he  apologises.  Otherwise  I  am  saying  "Good  Buy"  to  IAH.                

 
 This  post  is  quiet  unwarranted  in  this  topic.    It  would  be  better  if  we  stick  to  the  same  subject  rather  than  deviate  from  the  topic.
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 @rrsriram,
 
 Now  that  the  issue  is  resolved  in  the  other  topic,  I  disregard  your  comments.  It  was  nice  of  you  to  come  to  the  aid  of  Mr.  Madan.  
 
 @ClownyGirl,
 My  point  of  interst  is  whether  the  crack  developed  at  the  bottom  edge  of  the  tank?  I  have  an  hunch  that  in  all  the  cases  of  breaking  of  glass  tanks,  the  breaking  starts  at  the  bottom  and  not  at  1/3rd  from  the  bottom.  It  will  be  helpful  for  other  aquarists  like  me  to  know  what  exctly  happened  at  the  time  of  disaster.
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 I  dont  believe  there  was  a  crack  in  the  glass  per  se.  This  is  a  second  hand  tank  that  had  been  used  for  a  year  before  we  acquired  it  and  it  seems  it  had  not  been  sealed  properly.  The  leak  luckily  however,  was  very  small  and  I  couldnt  figure  out  from  where,  though  I  suspect  one  of  the  bottom  corners.  I  got  the  LFS  people  to  take  the  tank  apart  and  rebuild  it  and  I  have  had  no  problems  since.  This  was  almost  a  year  ago.  I  do  plan  to  get  myself  a  new  tank  if  any  other  problems  arise  with  this  one.  
 
 The  thing  about  glass  tanks  is  -  and  I  got  this  info  from  another  Fish  site  from  an  engineer  -  that  once  the  tank  is  filled  to  the  brim,  the  glass  expands  slightly  and  tightens  around  the  edges.  If  you  take  the  tank  apart,  the  resealed  tank  is  never  strong  enough  because  of  the  original  expansion  of  the  glass.  He  went  into  more  detail,  but  I  dont  have  his  email  at  the  moment  to  provide,  so  his  advice  really  was  that  eventhough  resealing  the  tank  is  a  good  temporary  solution,  you  should  get  yourself  a  new  fish  tank  as  soon  as  possible  because  the  problem  is  bound  to  recur.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

                                                   
rskelkar  wrote:                
@Vishakrs,
 Your  rear  glass  came  off  from  bottom  glass.  It  did  not  break.  Am  I  right?                

 Yes  it  came  off,  it  didnt  break  -  vishak
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: The crack probably starts at the bottom. Reply with quote

 I  have  talked  with  few  aquarists  who  have  reported  of  witnessing  the  breaking  of  glass  aquaria.  Few  had  managed  to  break  it  by  dropping  it  while  moving.  Barrirng  those  case  all  the  others  said  that  they  witnessed  the  crack  starting  at  the  bottom  edge  and  slowly  developing  over  several  minutes,  to  completely  break  the  glass.  They  had  time  to  salvage  the  situation.  In  one  hearsay  report,  the  tank  blew  into  pieces,  like  a  bomb  blast,  while  the  family  was  watching  TV  breaking  the  glass  into  small  pieces.  Hence  after  hearing  to  these  various  experiences,  I  was  wondering  that  may  be  a  collection  of  these  personal  experiences  might  help  those  like  me  who  take  pleasue  in  desiging  and  building  tanks.  Hence  the  present  topic.
 @vishak,
 I  think  in  your  case,  it  is  not  a  case  of  aquaria  breaking.  It  is  a  case  of  poor  workmanship.  Hence  you  had  to  redo.
 
 @ClownyGirl,
 In  your  case  also  it  seems  from  what  you  report,  there  was  no  breaking  of  glass.  It  was  only  leaking.  Hence  I  am  thinking  that,  may  be,  again  it  is  a  case  of  poor  workmanship.  You  also  do  not  have  any  problem  after  redoing  it.  Good.  That  probably  confirms  that  it  was  not  a  bad  design,  but  only  poor  workmanship.  Thanks  for  your  detailed  experience.
 As  far  as  reusing  of  the  glass  is  concerned,  I  do  not  think  that  glass  acquires  any  permanent  deformation.  There  should  not  be  any  harm  in  reusing  the  old  glass,  in  case  it  is  cleaned  properly.
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 I  have  three  experiences.  Starting  with  the  first  tank.  i  was  immature.  It  was  a  2x1.5x1.5.  I  rmoved  all  the  gravel  and  refilled.  There  was  no  styrofoam  at  the  bottom.  It  cracked  at  the  bottom
 
 The  second  was  a  4x2x2.  I  made  a  mistake  while  checking  the  level.  The  flooring  was  not  even.  I  filled  the  tank  to  almost  the  rim  and  i  head  a  crack.  Whoosh,  the  center  of  the  front  glass  had  a  crack  and  i  experienced  a  night  mare.  I  did  not  notice  the  braces  breaking.  I  could  have  stopped  the  water  filling  and  could  have  saved  the  lovely  tank.  
 
 The  third  is  my  current  tank  4x1.5x1.5.  THis  time  due  to  the  diy  filter  inside  the  tank  which  is  a  three  chamber  all  glass  filter.  A  gravel  got  under  it.
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