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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 ok,  i  will  leave  my  suggestions  at  that
 
 I  grow  it  from  time  to  time  with  a  different  method.  .  .  .  
 
 all  the  best  with  the  culture
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 And  do  share  the  information.  That  will  take  us  to  your  suggestion  sooner.
 
 The  purpose  of  the  forum  is  that.  To  share  knowledge.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 Ok...  Many  thanks  to  you  Ashwin  for  reading  all  the  pages.  I  really  appriciate  this.  Thumb Up  
 forgot  to  tell  you  guys.  Before  going  to  mumbai...I  gave  my  Romifex  culure  to  Nayakjee.  But  I  had  a  ball  of  worms  in  a  box  with  water  and  minimum  food...
 And  when  I  came  back  to  Bangalore  after  seven  days.  
 They  were  alive  but  not  in  a  very  good  condition.  With  fesh  water  and  less  food  You  can  go  for  a  vacation.
 So  conclution  is  ....
 They  are  extreamly  hardy.  That's  the  good  part.
 And  the  bad  part  is..  it  need  patience.  ...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 My  experience:  failure,  success  and  roadmap.
 Being  fortunate  to  stay  in  Delhi  and  get  the  periodical  supplies  from  Romi  each  time  I  have  failed  to  keep  these  worms  alive,  I  have  experience  to  share-both  failure  and  success!
 So  what  do  I  do  know?
 I  have  a  small  plastic  box  (8"X4"X1.5"(H))  approx.  I  have  a  scotch  brite  in  it,  some  starter  culture  and  here  it  goes.  Initially  the  culture  disappears  in  the  scotch  brite.  I  add  oatmeal  (finely  powdered)  and  sprinkle  on  the  top.  The  mistake  I  made  earlier...too  much  water!  Some  portion  of  the  scotchbrite  must  remain  out  of  water  so  that  the  worms,  if  they  want  can  be  in  the  surface  without  drowning.  Every  evening,  I  throw  the  old  water.  It  is  usually  whitish  by  then,  with  at  times  some  worms  forming  balls.  Wit  the  worms,  I  either  put  them  back  in  the  scotchbrite  or  I  feed  them  to  the  fishes.  But,  I  make  sure  I  change  the  water  every  day.  Within  seven  days  there  will  be  enough  worm.  However,  after  3  odd  weeks  I  start  a  second  culture...as  I  have  found  after  4-5  weeks  the  original  culture  dies.
 Key  steps:
 Appropriate  container:  Small,  clean,  with  perforations  on  top
 Water:  Just  enough  so  that  the  scotch  brite  isn't  completely  under  water
 Temperature:  Cool  place
 Water  Change:  Everyday
 Scotch  brite:  To  be  changed  4-5  weeks
 Oatmea:  Daily...small  pinch.  Often,  take  a  tweezer  to  throw  away  the  uneaten  one,  starve  the  worms  for  that  day  and  feed  next  day
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:12 am Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 Guys,
 
 Ashwin  Rai  can  teach  us  amateurs  tons  of  information  regarding  live  food.  Why  only  live  food,  he  can  teach  us  regarding  almost  all  things  aquatic.  He  is  a  trained  Aquarist,  educated  in  the  fisheries  collage.  His  farm  near  Mangalore  is  the  last  word  in  professional  fish  breeding!  And  this  last  statement  I  have  heard  from  the  greats  like  Beta,  Rahul  etc  etc.  Its  high  on  my  list  of  must  visit  places,  next  time  I  go  to  Mangalore.  
 
 To  come  to  the  point,  did  a  large  harvesting  from  the  new  culture  yesterday.  The  fishes  went  crazy.  Lovely  sight,  seeing  the  fishes  feeding  on  live  worms.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

                                                   
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No  offence  taken.  .  .  .
 
 I  have  been  following  the  thread  for  a  long  time  and  having  been  watching  you,  Deepak  and  Mr.  Nayak  putting  a  lot  of  effort  to  explain  to  lot  of  hobbyists  how  to  culture  it  as  well  trying  to  fine  tune  the  culture  technique.  .  .   good  effort
 
 Would  you  not  liked  to  be  credited  for  this  effort??  
 
 If  not,  say  i  tomorrow  i  take  the  details  of  the  culture  and  then  culture  it,  takes  some  photos  and  explain  in  brief  the  methodology  of  culture  and  claim  that  i  have  developed  it  in  a  new  thread  or  in  some  other  forum  .  .  .   are  you  ok???  if  so  then  ok
 
 One  more  aspect,  you  have  started  the  thread  and  would  love  to  go  on  forever.  .  .   but  it  will  die  down.  A  couple   of  year  later  someone  wants  to  start  a  culture  it,  but  he  will  not  go  through  a  thread  with  10  -  20  pages,  where  he  not  even  sure  that  it  will  give  him  some  info.
 
 Think  like  someone  new  who  wants  to  culture.  .  .   This  is  er  a  when  people  want  it  short,  sweet  and  precise  
 
 The  methodology  is  not  a  10  page  write  up.  .  .  it  is  just  a  few  lines  with  photos  to  support,  Mr.  Nayak  would  do  it  in  a  day  but  probably  is  waiting  for  you  to  do  the  honors
 
 i  am  mediocre  person  in  this  field,  so  would  would  not  have  the  patience  to  go  through  all  that  trouble  as  you  suggested                

 
 I  guess  i  would  like  some  credit  yes.   Neutral   But  I  am  in  my  thirties  now,  and  around  22  years  of  this  have  been  with  aquariums.  I  think  this  is  a  hobby  where  amateurs  seem  to  be  doing  as  much  work  as  any  official  biologist/taxonomist/botanish/icthyologist.  And  amateurs  have  no  way  of  ensuring  credit  because  they  have  not  much  idea  how  to  go  about  it  usually.  
 
 So  something  like  this  thread  is  my  best  bet  for  being  acknowledged,  should  these  otameal-eating  worms  become  a  staple  of  the  hoppy  in  India.  It  will  be  archived,  i  assume!
 
 When  I  was  researching  grindal  worms  in  2008,  i  must  have  consumed  (and  spat  out  Very Happy  )  every  single  resource  on  Google  on  them.  I  did  the  same  for  White  Worms  (though  i  had  read  about  them  in  my  Anthony  Evans  Practical  Fish  Keeping  handbook,  when  in  school).  So  i  guess  I  am  assuming  these  worms  will  be  useful  only  for  hardcore  amateur  fish  keepers  like  Bappatditya,  Vijendra,  SyedAli,  and  myself  in  NCR.  And  avid  hobby-promoters  and  live  food  mentors  like  Deepak  Ganguly  who  don't  let  distances  affect  them  that  much!  On  reading  your  post,  and  RasikNayaks  introduction  of  you  (delighted  to  read  you  are  not  just  the  young  guy  i  discussed  LEDs  with  a  year  ago,  we  must  have  exchanged  a  dozen  messages),  making  a  smaller  simpler  thread  seems  worthwhile.  But  wouldnt  it  amount  to  duplication  of  threads?  If  Rasik,  as  moderator,  thinks  it  is  a  good  idea  too,  I  can  do  'the  honours'  (as  you  put  it),  okay.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 Sure  Romi  and  Nayak  ji,
 Please  go  ahead  with  a  new  thread.  I  will  be  glad.  Smile  Since  their  will  be  lots  of  things  to  learn.
 I  request  mods  to  make  that  thread  sticky.  Please.  Clapping
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

                                                   
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ok,  i  will  leave  my  suggestions  at  that
 
 I  grow  it  from  time  to  time  with  a  different  method.  .  .  .  
 
 all  the  best  with  the  culture                

 
 Are  you  growing  tubifex  in  your  farm,  Ashwin?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

                                                   
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My  experience:  failure,  success  and  roadmap.
 Being  fortunate  to  stay  in  Delhi  and  get  the  periodical  supplies  from  Romi  each  time  I  have  failed  to  keep  these  worms  alive,  I  have  experience  to  share-both  failure  and  success!
 So  what  do  I  do  know?
 I  have  a  small  plastic  box  (8"X4"X1.5"(H))  approx.  I  have  a  scotch  brite  in  it,  some  starter  culture  and  here  it  goes.  Initially  the  culture  disappears  in  the  scotch  brite.  I  add  oatmeal  (finely  powdered)  and  sprinkle  on  the  top.  The  mistake  I  made  earlier...too  much  water!  Some  portion  of  the  scotchbrite  must  remain  out  of  water  so  that  the  worms,  if  they  want  can  be  in  the  surface  without  drowning.  Every  evening,  I  throw  the  old  water.  It  is  usually  whitish  by  then,  with  at  times  some  worms  forming  balls.  Wit  the  worms,  I  either  put  them  back  in  the  scotchbrite  or  I  feed  them  to  the  fishes.  But,  I  make  sure  I  change  the  water  every  day.  Within  seven  days  there  will  be  enough  worm.  However,  after  3  odd  weeks  I  start  a  second  culture...as  I  have  found  after  4-5  weeks  the  original  culture  dies.
 Key  steps:
 Appropriate  container:  Small,  clean,  with  perforations  on  top
 Water:  Just  enough  so  that  the  scotch  brite  isn't  completely  under  water
 Temperature:  Cool  place
 Water  Change:  Everyday
 Scotch  brite:  To  be  changed  4-5  weeks
 Oatmea:  Daily...small  pinch.  Often,  take  a  tweezer  to  throw  away  the  uneaten  one,  starve  the  worms  for  that  day  and  feed  next  day                

 
 Wow,  glad  to  read  all  that  Bappa.You  certainly  found  what  suits  you,  alright   Smile  Don't  throw  the  scotchbrite  pad  away,  i  have  been  using  the  same  pads  since  2009!  Just  let  it  dry,  that  sanitizes  it  after  a  week,  of  the  slime.  A  bit  of  sunglight  too  is  good.  
 BTW,.  you  are  one  guy  I  wanted  to  keep  them  going...  with  all  your  marvellous  fish  et  al.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 Thanks  Buppa  da  for  sharing  your  method.
 
 Mr  Ashwin  Rai  we  will  be  more  than  glad  if  you  share  your  methods  with  us.   Clapping
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 Came  back  after  a  10  day  vacation  and  the  culture  doing  pretty  ok...Thanks  to  my  maid!
 
 Will  need  to  split  to  a  second  culture  and  start  harvesting
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 @  Ashwin:  I  think  you  are  being  too  humble  here,  Let  me  fill  in  the  gaps
 
 @  All:  Dr  Ashwin  Rai  has  been  a  Hobbyist  since  the  age  of  8,  He  went  on  to  fulfill  his  passion  by  doing  his  Graduation,  Post  Graduation  and  PhD  (Gold  Medalist)  in  Fisheries.  Currently  Owns  and  Runs  one  of  the  Biggest  Scientifically  Run  Fish  Farms  in  India  (AquaBios:  Aquatic  Biosystems),  Current  obsession  is  studying  Genetics  of  Angels  and  Guppies  (Thats  all  i  know  as  the  rest  just  goes  way  over  my  head),  he  likes  to  keep  a  very  low  profile  ..............  and  probably  would  not  give  this  info  out  on  an  open  forum  even  if  i  kept  a  gun  to  his  head  .....   How  do  i  know  all  this  .........  he  is  my  Cousin  Brother  and  I  can  say  that  i  am  in  this  Hobby  because  of  him  due  to  the  influence  since  childhood   Very Happy  
 
 @  Romi:  The  only  reason  i  think  he  even  mentioned  about  having  a  detailed  writeup  is  just  so  that  it  can  help  novice  hobbyists  who  want  to  culture  this  as  Live  Food  for  their  fish.  As  far  as  Live  Culture  at  the  Farm  goes  .......  there  is  quite  a  lot  of  it  right  from   artemia  to  various  other  larger  live  feeds  like  earthworms.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

 Seetharam  
 thats  some  info  you  have  given.  I  think  instead  of  Keeping  a  Gun  to  his  head  lets  dangle  Huge  polythene  covers  full  of  angels  and  guppies   Cheering
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

                                                   
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@  Ashwin:  I  think  you  are  being  too  humble  here,  Let  me  fill  in  the  gaps
 
 @  All:  Dr  Ashwin  Rai  has  been  a  Hobbyist  since  the  age  of  8,  He  went  on  to  fulfill  his  passion  by  doing  his  Graduation,  Post  Graduation  and  PhD  (Gold  Medalist)  in  Fisheries.  Currently  Owns  and  Runs  one  of  the  Biggest  Scientifically  Run  Fish  Farms  in  India  (AquaBios:  Aquatic  Biosystems),  Current  obsession  is  studying  Genetics  of  Angels  and  Guppies  (Thats  all  i  know  as  the  rest  just  goes  way  over  my  head),  he  likes  to  keep  a  very  low  profile  ..............  and  probably  would  not  give  this  info  out  on  an  open  forum  even  if  i  kept  a  gun  to  his  head  .....   How  do  i  know  all  this  .........  he  is  my  Cousin  Brother  and  I  can  say  that  i  am  in  this  Hobby  because  of  him  due  to  the  influence  since  childhood   Very Happy  
 
 @  Romi:  The  only  reason  i  think  he  even  mentioned  about  having  a  detailed  writeup  is  just  so  that  it  can  help  novice  hobbyists  who  want  to  culture  this  as  Live  Food  for  their  fish.  As  far  as  Live  Culture  at  the  Farm  goes  .......  there  is  quite  a  lot  of  it  right  from   artemia  to  various  other  larger  live  feeds  like  earthworms.                

 
 We  need  more  people  like  Ashwin.  People  who  take  charge  of  their  lives  and  take  it  where  they  want  it  to  go.  Reminds  me  of  what  Oprah  Winfrey  said:  The  greatest  adventure  is  to  live  the  life  of  your  dreams.  Ah.  Thanks  for   chipping  in  Seetharam.  You  yourself  have  quite  a  reputation   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: Re: micro tubefex species from Delhi. Culturing method. Reply with quote

                                                   
Ram_a_rosi  wrote  (View  Post):                
Seetharam  
 thats  some  info  you  have  given.  I  think  instead  of  Keeping  a  Gun  to  his  head  lets  dangle  Huge  polythene  covers  full  of  angels  and  guppies   Cheering                

 
   Chuckle  But  where  will  we  find  Angelfish  and  guppy  of  a  quality  good  enoug  to  interest  him,  buddy?  Really  challenge  here  in  India.  Have  to  wait  a  year  here  in  Delhi  to  find  even  reasonable  quality  silver  angelfishh.  Otherwise,  the  suggestion  is  spot  on   Smile
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