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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Guys,
 
 Thought  I  would  share  this  sad  scene  in  Brazil:
 
 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/environment/pollution/brazil-has-lost-80-of-coral-reefs-in-50-years/articleshow/16545055.cms
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Im  sure  India  has  lost  80%  of  its  coral  reefs  and  fish,  due  to  ignorant  lfs  /  dealers  who  just  want  to  make  money  and  dont  care  about  the  environment  nor  who  they  are  selling  it  to.  Arrogant  hobbyist  encourage  this  by  demanding  larger  fish  and  pieces  of  corals,  without  any  knowledge  to  provide  proper  care  for  these  creatures.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

                                                   
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Im  sure  India  has  lost  80%  of  its  coral  reefs  and  fish,  due  to  ignorant  lfs  /  dealers  who  just  want  to  make  money  and  dont  care  about  the  environment  nor  who  they  are  selling  it  to.  Arrogant  hobbyist  encourage  this  by  demanding  larger  fish  and  pieces  of  corals,  without  any  knowledge  to  provide  proper  care  for  these  creatures.                

 On  the  contrary.  If  the  demand  stops,  the  production  has  to  and  will  stop.   Agree
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 I  don't  think  that  the  primary  cause  for  coral  loss  is  due  to  ignorant  dealers  and  hobbiysts,  although  it  could  be  a  contributing  factor  amongst  several  other  in  the  gulf  of  Mannar.  I  dive  every  year  in  the  Andamans  and  over  the  last  4  years  I  have  seen  complete  reefs  totally  destroyed  due  a  particularly  warm  summer  in  2010.  I  remember  diving  in  shorts  in  March/april  that  year  as  it  was  too  hot  to  wear  a  wet  suit.  The  water  temperature  32  C,  may  have  got  warmer  in  May.  There  in  no  collection  of  coral  there.
 But  an  GatorX  states,  a  majority  of  hobbiysts  and  LFS's  are  totally  ignorant  or  don't  have  the  means  to  ecologically  sustainable  collection  methods,  safe  transport,storage  and  distribution  of  the  live  stock.  The  main  cause  for  this  is  the  absolute  ban  on  these  products.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 @asak:  Absolutely  right.  Though  climate  is  a  major  factor,  You  and  me  cannot  change  it
 But  the  demand  can  be  controlled,  and  it  starts  with  us.
 Its  not  the  ban.   People  try  illegitimate  ways  only  because  someone  wants  it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 if  climate  is  the  issue.....I  think  aftersome  time  only  hobbiyist  will  be  having  any  corals
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

                                                   
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if  climate  is  the  issue.....I  think  aftersome  time  only  hobbiyist  will  be  having  any  corals                

 Absolutely.  Like  many  fresh  water  fishes  of  the  tropics  which  are  basically  extinct  in  the  wild.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Well  we  know  that  its  climate,  but  its  the  LFS  and  hobbyist  too....  here  in  india  80%  of  the  stuff  sold  is  wild  caught......  i  wonder  why  they  arent  allowing  captive  bred  certified  corals  to  be  sold...  in  usa,  they  are  trying  their  best  to  sell  captive  bred  fishes  and  corals...  well  there  is  a  website  called  10dollarfrag.com  that  sells  only  frags  and  no  big  pieces  and  there  are  other  sites  that  sell  purely  captive  bred  corals  (big  and  small)...  they  have  also  been  successful  in  breeding  a  few  tangs,  mandarin  etc.  well  that  should  be  done  here...  so  many  fishes  die  everyday  just  due  to  lack  of  info  and  money  minded  LFS  that  give  wrong  info...  .  i  dont  know  what  indian  marine  biologists  are  doing.......  even  freshwater  bodies  are  being  polluted  all  the  time...  the  amount  of  destruction  going  on  is  like  crazy.  also  the  amazon  jungle  is  being  slaughtered  at  the  rate  of  3  football  fields  per  day...  And  when  u  talk  about  this  to  the  hobbyist,  most  of  them  just  laugh  it  out......  i  know  a  famous  local  LFS,  who  had  kept  bamboo  shark  and  use  to  feed  humpy  head  pellets,  i  told  thats  a  torture,  he  laughed.  the  fish  died  in  1  year.  even  the  tank  was  a  tall  tank  and  not  a  long  or  wide  tank.  its  disgusting........  i  mean  first  you  catch  them,  then  u  jail  them  and  then  u  torture  them  to  death  and  then  once  dead,  you  laugh  and  throw  it  away  or  eat  it...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Demand  -  Never  stops  (None  of  the  marine  aquarists  are  gonna  say  No  to  corals)
 
 Supply  -  Will  never  stop.  LFS  always  get  some  source....
 
 Moral  :  Only  thing  that  can  change  is  the  government  policy  that  can  prevent  harvesting  them  and  ensuring  police,  departments  follow  them  without  bribe.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Demand  by  hobbyist  forms  a  very  small  part  of  destruction  of  natural  resources.
 Industrial  pollution  and  changing  climate  patterns  are  a  major  cause.
 Extraction  of  lime  for  cement  has  always  been  a  major  destroyer  of  sea  life  in  many  part  of  world  including  India.
 Thousands  of  tons  of  sea  sand  is  routinely  picked  up  from  sea  bed  and  fed  in  cement  plants,  there  are  huge  dredgers  which  do  this  job  and  they  are  indiscriminate  in  doing  so.
 Fortunately   this  has  now  stopped  in  India  due  to  laws,  but  is  being  carried  out  in  many  parts  of  world.
 Oil  spills,  pollutants  from  industries  are  rising  temperatures  are  playing  a  major  part.
 In  order  to  spread  awareness  I  have  written  some  pieces  on  my  blog,  check  this  if  you  are  interested.
 http://sandeeprworldofaquariums.blogspot.in/2012/09/largest-animal-vs-most-dangerous-animal.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 this  is  one  of  the  effects  of  global  warming,  its  not  about  only  hobbyist  it  about  the  entire  mankind  .
 high  pollution  increases  corbondioxide  level  in  rain  water  and  thence  lowering  the  Ph  making  the  water  more  acidic  for  life  in  the  oceans.
 dredging  and  waste  dumping   is  adding  to  the  problem.
 Many  mangroves  areas  are  reclaimed  for  human  habitats  all  over  the  world  thus  disturbing  the  ecology.
 Further,  this  is  happening  at  a  greater  pace  in  developing  countries  who  are  racing   to  catch  up  with  the  economic  opportunity.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Its  like  adding  "gluteraldhyde"  to  an  already  dying  planted  tank.
 glut-  we  hobbiests,
 killing-  climate.
 
 
 
 
 
 
                                                 
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Demand  -  Never  stops  (None  of  the  marine  aquarists  are  gonna  say  No  to  corals)
 
 Supply  -  Will  never  stop.  LFS  always  get  some  source....
 
 Moral  :  Only  thing  that  can  change  is  the  government  policy  that  can  prevent  harvesting  them  and  ensuring  police,  departments  follow  them  without  bribe.                

 
 wrong  bro,  to  an  extent.  Smile  
 
 Demand  -  will  stop  when  you  know  what  to  buy  and  how  much  is  enough  to  buy!
 Supply-  *as  above
 
 Moral-  its  not  the  Government,  but  you,  me  and  the  forum  that  should  begin  to  change.  Because  I  still  take  a  U  turn  when  its  not  allowed  and  not  get  caught...  simply  not  possible  in  this  decade  that  Govt  ll  impose  its  rules  "100%  strictly".
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Brazil has lost 80% of coral reefs in 50 years Reply with quote

 Some  points:
 1)  As  far  as  hobby  is  concerned,  people  buy  pets  without  even  knowing  what  they  need  to  thrive...  so  thats  what  we  need  to  educate  new  hobbyist  about....  and  as  far  as  demand  supply  point,  its  best  to  breed  fishes  in  captivity,  in  USA  and  a  few  more  places,  they  have  started  breeding  many  fishes  in  large  aquariums  and  man  made  ocean  ponds  well  thats  what  we  need  to  do.  clowns  are  being  bred  the  most  as  they  are  really  easy...
 
 2)  our  government  sucks  and  really  dont  know  anything  about  the  mother  nature......  all  they  know  is  money  and  power....
 
 3)  there  should  be  a  huge  team/army  only  for  protection  of  water  bodies  and  forests...
 
 4)  there  should  be  man  made  ponds  to  do  the  water  rituals  instead  of  spoiling  water  bodies  like  ganga.....  its  just  horrifying  what  people  do  in  the  name  of  god....  (this  point  might  not  be  liked  by  some  but  its  true)
 
 5)  Add  a  catagory  on  conservation  in  IAH.....  Its  important....
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