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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: Change of the fertilizer? (with pics on page 2/10.Nov.2012) Reply with quote

 I  have  had  a  2  feet  tank  for  more  than  a  year  and  its  been  converted  into  planted  tank  in  December-2011/Jan  -  2012(I  don't  exactly  remember)..the  plants  are  doing  well,  but  some  are  showing  punctures,  yellowed  leaves  and  there  are  some  tufts  of  brush  algae.  My  question  is  when  do  I  change  the  set  up  and  put  in  new  fertilizer?  
 

 Aquarium  specifics  -  2x1x1  feet,freshwater
 Plants(I  dont  remember  half  the  names)  -  Amazons,crypts,hair  grass,  pygmy  grass,  ambulia,rotala  (green)  etc.
 Aquaclay,  black  loose  fertilizers  (round  granules..the  LFS  guy  told  me  that  it  was  ADA...hh,as  if  Mr.Amano  thought  of  selling  his  fertilizers  in  loose  packets)
 HOB  filter,heater(75watt),light  -  36  watt  PLL
 Fish  -  White  widow  tetras,  platies,  zebras,  chinese  algae  eater(1)


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 change  setup  as  in?!?  you  want  to  rip  off  the  tank  is  it  and  do  fresh?  if  yes..you  can  do  it  any  time..my  scapes  change  every  4  months..Razz  :)
 
 As  far  as  ferts  go  -  you  should  have  already  started  to  be  honest!  get  hold  of  a  stock  solution  of  macro/micro  asap!  I  guess  off  the  shelf  products  would  be  easier  for  you..as  getting  a  DIY  takes  time  to  get  a  grip  on..Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

                                                   
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change  setup  as  in?!?  you  want  to  rip  off  the  tank  is  it  and  do  fresh?  if  yes..you  can  do  it  any  time..my  scapes  change  every  4  months..Razz  :)
 
 As  far  as  ferts  go  -  you  should  have  already  started  to  be  honest!  get  hold  of  a  stock  solution  of  macro/micro  asap!  I  guess  off  the  shelf  products  would  be  easier  for  you..as  getting  a  DIY  takes  time  to  get  a  grip  on..Smile                

 
 Ok,  all  in  all...when  should  I  change(time  period)  on  a  regular  basis  -  6  mths?1  year?  5years?  P.S:  I  am  itching  to  rip  and  scape...bored  of  the  current  setup.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 To  start  with  you  can  start  exploring  what  particular  deficiency  your  plants  exhibit  and  plan  on  adding  that  nutrient.  (IF  YOU  LIKE  DIY)
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 Depleting  of  substrate  depends  on  what  amount  of  plant  and  what  all  plants  you  had  in  it  for  the  duration.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 hmmm...that  doesnt  answer  my  question  exactly.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

                                                   
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change  setup  as  in?!?  you  want  to  rip  off  the  tank  is  it  and  do  fresh?  if  yes..you  can  do  it  any  time..my  scapes  change  every  4  months..Razz  :)
 
 As  far  as  ferts  go  -  you  should  have  already  started  to  be  honest!  get  hold  of  a  stock  solution  of  macro/micro  asap!  I  guess  off  the  shelf  products  would  be  easier  for  you..as  getting  a  DIY  takes  time  to  get  a  grip  on..Smile                

 
 Ok,  all  in  all...when  should  I  change(time  period)  on  a  regular  basis  -  6  mths?1  year?  5years?  P.S:  I  am  itching  to  rip  and  scape...bored  of  the  current  setup.                

 
 well  I  change  my  scapes  based  on  the  plant  growth  not  that  it's  gone  haywire,  but  because  the  plants  exhibit  complete  growth  and  I  know  I  can  achieve  no  more  out  of  that  scape(  and  a  proper  photoshoot  is  complete..Very Happy  ).  Again,  a  particular  scape  can  go  on  for  ages  if  fertilized  properly  in  the  waterline  and  mineralised  properly  at  substrate  level.  But  if  you  plan  to  rip  it  of  try  somethin'  new..why  not..a  new  scape  is  always  a  welcome  to  the  eye  and  at  home..so  my  opinion  if  you  might  ask  -  WHY  NOT?!?  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 Hi  Gitlcookart
 
 Pls  provide  below  info
 
 1.  Co2  source  for  tank.
 
 2.  Fertilizer  regime.
 
 3.Which  plants  are  showing  hole  in  leaves,  decay  or  yellowing.  Plants  lile  ambulia  take  nutrients  from  water  column  while  other  plants  you  mentioned  take  nutrients  from  roots.  Hence  question  no  2  becomes  important.  Amazon  leaves  tend  to  melt  as  they  age.
 
 4.  Algae  eating  fishes  or  shrimps  in  tank?  Chinese  algae  eater  is  not  an  algae  eater
   Correact  name  of  it  ia  hill  stream  loach  at  it  prefera  fast  flowing  cooler  water.
 
 5.  Is  it  green  brush  algae  or  black  brush  algae.  Both  usually  cpme  because  of  low  or  inconsistent  co2  supply.  If  its  GBA  then  rip  it  off  asap  else  it  will  cover  any  decor  or  driftwood  in  tank.  Yamato  shrimps  relish  GBA.  If  its  BBA  then  you  need  to  arrange  for  a  consistent  supply  of  co2  and  keep  one  or  two  siamese  algae  eater  to  control  or  eradicate  ita  spread.
 
 Substrate  usualy  last  more  then  an  year.   Lets  understand  above  queries  first
   Change  of  substrate  comes  at  a  very  later  stage.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 You  need  to  provide  some  type  of  fertilizer  even  in  low  light  non  co2  tanks.
 I  have  a  similar  tank  with  same  lights,  I  am  fertilizing  approx  1/5  of  EI  dosing  with  macros  &  micros.
 Water  changes  are  50  %  every  week.
 The  plants  have  decent  growth  and  nearly  no  algae.
 Check  this  for  more  information.
 http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/2817-Non-CO2-methods
 
 My  tank  setup  on  similar  principle.
 
 http://sandeeprworldofaquariums.blogspot.in/
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 @Girlcookart
 Is  the  picture  of  your  tank  the  same  one  in  your  blog  ?
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 As  long  as  you  are  dosing  properly  and  your  plants  are  healthy,  you  need  not  change  your  substrate  or  fertilizer.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Is  the  picture  of  your  tank  the  same  one  in  your  blog  ?                

 yup...but  slightly  updated
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Change of the fertilizer? Reply with quote

 Have  diy  CO2  (yeast)  setup  using  single  2  lts  pepsi  bottle  and  a  ceramic  ring  diy  diffuser.  lighting  time  is  from  10  am-2pm,6pm-9pm.  The  algae  that  bugs  consistenlty  is  BBA,  while  the  other  algae(green  spot,hair)  have  been  taken  care  of  by  the  fishes  and  me  regularly.  Fertilizers  as  I  mentioned  is  the  aquaclay/ADA  (I  dont  know  if  they  call  it  that)  ....its  these  loose  packets  of  black  granules  of  4-5  mm  that  the  LFS  sells.  
 
 @apcmge  :  Its  a  fish  only  tank,  as  mentioned  in  the  topic  question's  details  above.  I  wouldn't  dare  put  shrimps  into  the  tank(live  snacks?I  am  not  that  cruel)..not  a  fan  of  snails  as  they  are  known  to  harbour  parasites  and  other  disease  causing  yuckies.
 
 I  will  be  changing  to  double  bottle  CO2  this  sunday  to  increase  CO2  pressure
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 In  low  light  tanks  I  have  often  seen  that  if  nitrates  are  low  bba  comes  up,  also  fluctuating  levels  of  co2  encourage  it.
 try  to  dose  fertilizers  in  your  tank  and  see  if  it  helps.
 Dissolve  20  gms  of  Kno3  and  2  gms  of  Potassium  phosphate  in  500  ml  of  water.
 Dose  5  ml  of  this  daily  and  change  50  %  of  water  every  week.
 You  will  be  dosing  13  ppm  of  nitrates,  10ppm  of  potassium  and  1.15  ppm  of  phosphate  on  a  weekly  basis.
 Try  and  arrange  for  some  micro  also,  once  a  month  dosing  is.  enough  for  this  tank.
 
 In  my  older  days  I  used  to  fret  about  algae,  trying  one  way  or  other  to  reduce  it.
 Now  I  have  changed  my  approach,  I  look  for  good  growth  of  plants  and  algae  is  controlled  by  default.
 The  plant  growth  in  your  tank  is  lagging  as  evidenced  by  holes  in  leaves,  yellow  leaves,
 Holes  in  leaves  are  normally  due  to  potassium  deficiency,  and  yellow  leaves  may  be  due  to  nitrogen  deficiency.
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 I  change  my  tank  fertilizer  every  2  years..........  Thumb Up
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