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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:29 am Post subject: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Here  goes  about  my  pond.  Its  about  6  ft  long,  3  ft  wide  and  about  3  ft  deep.  It  has  mollies  of  all  colors  -  white,  red,  golden  and  black.  They  are  breeding  like  crazy  and  I  am  just  about  fed  up  with  them.  I  also  have  a  pair  of  white  sharks  and  a  pair  of  black  sharks.  They  are  each  about  half  a  foot  long.  I  call  them  sharks,  but  know  that  they  are  the  catfish  family.  I  am  sure  most  experienced  aquarists  here  would  know  the  real  name  of  these  fish  and  I  will  be  glad  if  someone  tells  me  that.  I  have  a  couple  of  amazon  swords.  
 
 I  have  had  this  setup  going  on  for  a  couple  of  years  now.  The  original  intent  was  to  have  a  nice  fountain  and  some  goldfish.  Two  disasters  later,  now  Ive  got  these  mollies  breeding  crazy  and  four  large  catfish  swimming  happily.  They  all  seem  to  like  the  setup.  I  run  the  fountain  sometimes  when  everyone  is  at  home  and  enjoying  an  evening  of  calm.
 
 As  with  every  utopia,  there  are  problems  -
 
 1.  The  pond  gets  really  dirty.  Its  under  a  neem  tree.  The  tree  either  sheds  leaves  or  flowers  or  both  at  all  times  of  the  year  except  when  it  rains.  Muck  accumulates  at  the  bottom  and  the  water  typically  becomes  opaque.  The  fish  seem  happy.  But  I  am  not.  I  want  crystal  clear  water  and  I  want  to  see  my  fish.  And  due  to  the  turbidity  of  the  water,  the  plants  are  also  rotting  away  at  the  bottom.  Another  friend  of  mine  who  keeps  these  catfish  in  a  rather  large  aquarium,  which  he  also  uses  as  a  center  table  has  really  filthy  water.  But,  again,  the  fish  are  happy.  In  fact  I  have  seen  those  fish  grown  from  inch  long  fingerlings  to  about  a  foot  in  length  now.  The  length  to  water  ratio  in  the  tank  is  unbelievable,  yet  the  fish  are  growing  without  aeration.  He  says,  the  algae  which  is  responsible  for  the  murkiness  is  what  keeps  the  fish  happy.  I  tend  to  believe  him  since  his  fish  are  obviously  happy  and  growing.  But  I  hate  the  algae  in  my  pond  and  I  want  a  solution.  Tried  changing  the  water,  adding  some  nano-silica  (Nualgi  -  in  case  anyone  wants  to  google  it)  and  running  the  fountain  pump  continuously  for  aeration.  Nothing  works  except  a  complete  cleanup  -  remove  the  fish,  remove  the  water,  remove  the  muck,  fill  in  water  and  put  the  fish  back.  For  about  two  weeks.  After  that,  its  back  to  green.  Its  not  even  bright  green.  Its  a  sort  of  dull  dark  blackish  green.  I  dont  want  to  add  algicides,  since  there  are  algae  on  the  sides  of  the  pond,  which  the  fish  seem  to  like.  On  sunny  days,  one  can  see  them  grazing  happily  on  these  algae.  I  only  want  the  murkiness  of  the  water  removed.  What  do  I  do?
 
 2.  You  can  see  the  pump  arrangement  for  the  fountain.  Is  it  possible  to  add  a  filter  somewhere  along  the  line.  I  read  somewhere,  someone  had  posted  a  DIY.  But  could  not  find  instructions  for  that.  Can  someone  help  me  with  that?  
 
 3.  If  you  see  the  fountain  part,  water  runs  for  a  particular  length  before  coming  back  into  the  pond.  Is  it  possible  that  adding  sand,  plants  or  both  in  the  course  of  this  run,  the  algae  could  be  removed?  If  so,  what  would  be  the  ideal  combination  of  plants  and  pebble/sand  size  to  effect  good  filtration?
 
 4.  Does  someone  know  what  fish  attracts  kingfishers?  I  want  to  attract  them  to  this  pond.  He  flies  around  in  the  garden.  Thankfully  I  live  in  a  place  where  all  neighbors  have  large  gardens.  But  while  other  birds  can  get  whatever  they  want  from  the  scraps  thrown  out,  I  really  feel  sad  for  the  kingfisher.  The  catfish  are  safe  since  they  are  large  now.  The  pond  has  enough  depth  for  the  KF  to  dive  in,  as  there  are  low  hanging  perches  for  him  to  sit  on,  so  there  wont  be  too  much  velocity  when  he  dives  and  he  wont  hit  the  bottom  either.  So  now  it  is  only  a  question  of  putting  in  the  right  fish,  since  he  obviously  does  not  like  mollies.
 
 5.  I  want  to  plant  the  soil  around  the  stream.  The  reason  why  it  is  such  a  mess  currently  can  be  seen  in  the  corner  of  the  photo  of  the  full  system.  That  fellow  cannot  wait  for  me  to  finish  planting  something  before  digging  it  up.  I  think  if  allowed,  he  will  start  digging  even  as  I  am  planting.  But  that  is  beside  the  point.  I  want  moss  to  grow  on  the  stone.  I  tried  smearing  it  with  cowdung,  with  alginate,  with  alginate  mixed  with  cowdung.  keeping  it  wrapped  in  cellophane  to  trap  in  the  humidity.  Nothing  works.  Its  an  ugly  rock.  The  only  way  it  can  be  made  presentable  is  if  I  have  plants  growing  on  it,  around  it  and  it  has  some  luxuriant  moss  growing  on  it.  Ideas  and  instructions  please.
 
 Thanks  all.  I  am  sure  the  combined  experience  of  all  on  this  forum  will  definitely  be  helpful  in  creating  the  perfect  fountain/pond.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Hmm...
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 You  need  a  roof  of  green  agricultural  net  over  your  pond  to  stop  tree  leaves  from  falling  in  it.
 It  will  stop  litter  from  falling  in  tank.
 You  might  need  a  pond  filter  if  you  want  to  keep  water  clean.
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 Agri  net  over  the  pond  -  will  cut  the  sunlight  for  the  aquatic  plants,  will  slow  down  the  algal  carpet  on  the  sides  of  the  pond,  which  my  fish  like  so  much,  and  kingfisher  has  no  hopes  even  if  I  put  in  the  right  kind  of  fish.  I  could  try  a  mosquito  net,  but  that  would  still  not  give  KF  a  fighting  chance.
 
 The  pond  filter  sounds  like  a  better  idea  -  unobtrusive  and  removes  only  that  which  I  find  irritating  about  the  entire  setup  -  the  suspended  algae.  Where  can  I  find  a  readymade  one?  or  if  there  are  instructions  to  DIY  an  in-line  filter  with  the  plumbing  already  there,  visible  in  the  second  photo  will  be  much  appreciated.
 
 I  tried  this  -  I  wrapped  sponge  (the  normal  one  that  you  get  in  a  hardware  store  or  for  cleaning  in  fancy  stores)  around  the  foot  valve  and  hoped  to  remove  the  sponge  ever  so  often  to  squeeze  out  muck  accumulated  in  it  when  the  pump  was  running.  Much  like  some  of  these  aquarium  filters  with  canisters  of  sponge.  Now,  my  hand  does  not  reach  so  far  down  upto  the  foot  valve  level  without  risk  of  me  falling  into  the  water,  and  by  the  time  I  remove  the  sponge  from  the  water,  all  the  muck  has  already  dropped  back  into  the  water.  So  if  it  is  DIY,  it  has  to  be  something  that  can  be  positioned  at  the  outlet  side  of  the  pump.  I  hope  I  am  right  about  that.  
 
 I  presume  because  of  the  irregular  shape  and  a  ledge  that  runs  till  half  of  the  pond  before  dropping  deep,  the  volume  of  water  will  be  around  10-12  cubic  feet  -  not  more  than  350  liters?  The  pump  is  a  quarter  HP  self  priming  pump.   Knowing  this,  what  filter  would  work,  or  what  DIY  filtration  setup  can  be  done?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Get  a  agri  net  with  25%  shading,  You'll  get  all  the  sunlight  you  want.
 Position  the  net  so  that  it  does  not  intrude  into  the  view.
 
 Try  to  eliminate  the  problem  at  the  root,  stop  leaves  and  flowers  from
 getting  into  the  pond.  No  filtration  is  too  much  filtration.  For  regular  muck  an  external
 drum  type  canister  can  be  DIYed.
 
 Slip  a  plastic  cover  over  the  sponge  before  you  start  to  move  it,  the  muck  will  remain  
 in  the  plastic  cover  and  not  disperse  all  over.  The  deep  foot  valve  is  a  problem,  try  changing  it's  position.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Check  out  Kaya's  and  Gar88's  outstanding  pond  build  thread's.  You'll  get  a  lot  of  good  info  on  those.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 @  kaushik..Your  green  water  problem  can  be  solved  by  adding  an  UV  filter,  in  addition  it  is  basic  necessity  to  add  a  pond  filter,  if  you  are  aiming  for  clear  water.
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Senthil,  people  who  sell  and  install  expensive  pond  +  UV  +  algae  filters,
 have  no  such  devices  installed  over  their  own  pond  !
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 The  Kaya  thread  was  awesome.  Could  not  find  gar88  though.  Is  the  spelling  correct?
 
 I  am  inclined  to  agree  with  Madan.  Not  too  much  of  a  fan  of  recirculating  systems.  Perhaps  KF  will  just  have  to  do  what  he  is  doing  now  and  I  should  get  that  net  installed.  
 
 I  have  been  reading  about  these  natural  swimming  pools  which  do  not  use  chlorine  and  have  plants  and  fishes  to  clear  up  the  water  before  it  recirculates  into  the  swimming  pool.  Rather  hoping  that  something  like  that  is  possible  with  the  pond  too  -  since  I  am  not  aiming  for  Crystal  clear  water  (  just  enough  to  see  me  fishies  )  perhaps  we  could  do  away  with  the  filters  and  UV  and  just  use  plants  (  hyacinths,  I  saw  mentioned  somewhere.  Once  they  grow  too  much  I  can  also  use  them  to  fertilize  my  plants  ).
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 I'm  sorry  Gar88's  thread  was  in  another  forum.  
 
 Here  you  go  -  http://www.kolkata-aquarium.com/viewtopic.php?t=1415
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Use  a  net  as  already  suggested  above,  you  can  also  put  in  a  small  powerhead  to  keep  the  water  ¬†circulating  if  it  already  not  there.
 As  long  as  leaves  etc.  continue  to  fall  in  your  pond,  the  organic  content  ¬†will  continue  to  build  in  your  tank  resulting  in  algae.
 Add  a  lot  of  plants,  specially  lillies.
 I  had  a  smaller  tank  under  a  mango  tree,  the  water  although  was  not  crystal  clear  but  clear  enough  so  that  bottom  was  visible  and  lillies  looked  nice.
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Check  this  out,  I  have  seen  this  in  person  also.
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1120&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 A  bog  filter  might  just  be  the  thing  you  want  but  as  long  as  the  leaves  keep  falling  into  the  water  you  will  have  an  algal  problem  on  your  hands.  I  bet  it  is  as  much  a  bacterial  bloom  as  algal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Somehow  unable  to  attach  an  image  with  this  post.  Anyway,  after  a  couple  of  tries  finally  the  pond  water  is  clear  for  about  1  and  a  half  weeks  now.  How?
 
 I  got  this  nifty  device  that  sucks  the  muck  out  of  the  bottom  from  a  shop  on  east  coast  road  in  chennai  -  Umino.  It  works  similar  to  the  old  kerosene  siphons  which  I  remember  from  my  childhood  but  dont  see  nowadays.  It  is  pretty  decent  in  sucking  the  muck  out  of  the  bottom  and  I  spend  about  five  minutes  every  morning  removing  visible  muck.  
 
 The  tree  has  stopped  shedding.  Whatever  it  sheds,  I  remove  during  my  morning  five  minutes  with  the  fishes  using  a  normal  fish  net  on  a  frame.
 
 The  sun  has  moved.  I  noticed  that  just  now.  So  no  more  direct  sunlight  on  the  water  in  the  afternoons.  I  think  that  is  a  large  contributor  to  the  lower  level  of  algae  currently.
 
 I  did  install  a  submersible  pump  and  tried  a  DIY  filter.  Have  not  managed  to  get  it  working  though.  The  filter  design  kinda  sucked  and  the  filter  membrane  kept  getting  clogged  in  five  minutes.  Will  improve  on  that  and  post  later.
 
 Now  to  figure  out  why  I  am  unable  to  attach  pictures.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor pond pics and problems. Warning - long post Reply with quote

 Your  image  size  might  be  large.  Try  posting  the  pictures  in  any  media  sharing  websites  (picasa)  and  post  the  links  to  the  photos  here.
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