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 Hi  Beta  taking  into  consideration  about  the  availability  of  silver  Saum  in  bangalore  I  don't  think  that  they  are  rare!  As  a  few  of  the  LFS  have  it  and  unfortunately  they  don't  know  the  importance  of  it!  
 
 Could  you  just  tell  me  some  thing  about  the  availability  of  Red  Oscars?  Is  it  a  rare  species?
 
   Thanks  for  your  comment  Adi.  If  you  are  in  bangalore  I  don't  think  that  silver  saum  GT  is  out  of  reach  for  you  and  to  keep  you  informed  they  are  more  aggressive  and  more  beautiful  than  their  green  saum  bros.
 
 Then  Coming  to  the  starting  of  the  discussion  I  got  my  hand  to  a  small  Jaguar  cichlid  so  could  anyone  shed  some  light  about  their  hands  on  experience  is  it  compatible  with  other  cichlids  and  what  about  its  temper?
 I  paid  Rs.400  for  a  juvenile  is  it  worth  it?  Is  it  compatible  with  Oscar's,  Fh,  and  other  cichlids?
 
 Beta  I  just  want  a  pair  of  Veija.  So  keep  a  pair  of  juviniles  if  you  get  lucky  when  they  have  fries!!!!  Very Happy
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 Can  you  post  a  pic  of  the  white  saum?  Just  want  to  make  sure  you  got  the  right  one.
 
 Jaguars  will  swallow  any  fish  which  fits  their  mouth.  They  are  pretty  shy  otherwise.  Cant  say  anyhting  about  the  pricing  though  it  all  depends  on  the  rarity  of  the  fish  and  Jag's  are  pretty  rare  here.
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 where  exactly  is  this  Waterworld  in  jalahalli  Zap.........can  ya  plz  guide  me  through.......
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['Saum'  means  'band'  or  'edge'  In  German  I  think.                

 
 "Saum"  is  German  for  "seam"
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 Very Happy  I  stand  educated!!Thanks  beta,rahul.
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 Hey  Oscar  Lover  the  LFS  is  near  Jalahalli  cross.  You  could  ask  anybody  for  the  reliance  building  and  then  go  towards  Bagalgunte  road(Which  also  takes  you  towards  hesargatta)  Just  around  1km  from  the  Reliance  building  is  the  Water  World.  The  guys  there  are  not  well  versed  with  the  names  of  the  fish  but  have  a  lot  of  variety.  It  is  around  20kms  from  the  city  center.  8kms  from  yeshwanthapur  and4kms  from  my  place.  Am  I  not  lucky?????    :lol:    :lol:  
 
 But  if  you  feel  it  is  too  far  go  to  prabath  aquariums  in  DVG  Road  in  Basavanagudi,  or  shruthi  aquariums  in  Nagasandra  just  a  bit  ahead  of  Prabhat.  Or  if  you  are  in  Malleshwaram  go  to  SLV  Aquariums  who  have  a  good  stock  of  Albino  and  Tiger  Oscars  which  i  saw  yest.
 The  above  mentioned  places  are  those  who  sell  at  a  decent  rates.  A  pair  might  cost  you  around  75  bugs.
 
 And  Beta  I  dont  have  a  digital  camera  but  I  do  have  a  normal  cam.  But  if  you  want  me  to  gift  one  silver  saum  I  would  defiinitely  do  it.  How  is  the  Offer  mate?  Razz  
 
 Saw  a  Jag  Beta  in  excellent  condition  3"  male/Female  not  sure.  Is  it  worth  anything  around  600?  Can  I  by  it  for  600  or  700?  Is  it  so  rare  in  India?  Have  you  ever  tried  to  have  one?
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Saw  a  Jag  Beta  in  excellent  condition  3"  male/Female  not  sure.  Is  it  worth  anything  around  600?  Can  I  by  it  for  600  or  700?  Is  it  so  rare  in  India?  Have  you  ever  tried  to  have  one?                

 
 I  have  had  a  pair  of  Jaguars  before,  the  female  was  about  a  foot  in  length  and  the  male  little  smaller.  Now  I  only  have  one  female  around  8  inches  long.
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 Do  u  have  it  in  a  community  tank  or  as  a  single  soul  in  the  tank.  Can  you  suggest  some  tank  mates  for  it??????    Is  it  worth  700  bugs?
 
 What  about  GT  Beta  no  answer  from  you????  Smile
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 Hey  guys  now  some  serious  discussions  about  Oscars!  
 
 As  I  had  told  you  guys  that  i  had  2  small  Oscars  which  are  around  2"  and  have  a  red  base,  which  the  LFS  guy  told  me  that  they  were  Copper  oscars.  When  at  close  observation  we  can  know  that  they  are  a  bit  orange.  Wondering  they  are  fakes???  
 Yap!  They  are,  I  know  it  was  a  sad  news  for  me.  
 The  oscars  were  painted.  Mad  
 
 So  what  are  the  basic  types  of  Oscars  available?
 Ans:  Albino,  Tiger,  Red.
   In  most  of  the  cases  the  red  oscars  are  fake.  Shocked  
 
 Now  coming  to  the  point  how  can  we  identify  fakes?  Which  kind  of  Oscars  or  any  other  fish  come  under  fake?  How  is  the  process  done?  Should  it  be  done?  If  yes  will  it  stay  for  ever?  
 So  I  have  tried  my  level  best  to  find  out  answers  for  these  queries  which  I  would  like  to  share  with  you  all.  All  types  of  suggestions,  critisisms,  information  is  most  welcome!
 
 There  are  basically  3  types  of  methods  used  to  color  fish.  This  is  basically  done  to  increase  the  demand  for  the  fish  by  making  it  more  colorful.
 The  fish  are  Dyed  using  injection,  painting  or  dipping.But  the  important  factor  here  is  that  they  are  all  harmful  and  painful  for  the  fish  and  the  mortality  rate  of  the  fish  are  very  high,  could  be  around  90  percent.  The  selection  of  the  fish  for  dye  generally  depends  on  the  size  of  the  juvenile,  availability,  market  rate+demand.
 The  most  common  fish  selcted  for  this  process  are  RED  PARROT(which  infact  is  a  victim  of  two  gruesome  and  painful  procedure  Mutuated  Breeding+Dyeing),  Oscar,  Spotted  Gourami(rare  in  India),Painted  Glass  Fish  A.K.A  Chanda  ragna  and  the  list  goes  on  and  on!!!!  Please  Check  out  my  Gallery  for  more  pics  or  proof.  They  are  too  good  but  really  heart  breaking  right?  It  is  just  like  a  Tattoo  put  throughout  a  child's  body.Painful  procedure  right?
 
 Before  any  procedure  is  started  the  fish  are  desensitized  and  then  the  scales  of  the  fish  is  slowly  scrubbed  and  dyed  by  dipping  them  in  dye.  Most  of  the  fish  do  not  survive  this  procedure.  This  is  mainly  done  for  fish  like  Oscars,  Red  Parrot,  Ramirazi,  Flower  Horn  etc.  The  color  is  not  permanent.  They  fade  or  brake  up  once  the  fish  grows.  So  considering  the  fact  that  the  pigs  of  the  Aquarium(OSCARS)  grow  too  quickly  it  is  obvious  that  these  brakes  become  more  prominent.  The  scales  do  not  develop  properly  which  infact  makes  the  fish  vulnerable  to  diseases.  
 The  next  method  is  the  injection  method  adn  sorry  that  I  dont  have  more  info  on  this.  But  the  fish  which  undergo  this  procedure  are:  Painted  Glass  fish  and  to  some  extent  Red  Parrot  and  Flower  Horn  which  are  available  in  local  fish  store  across  Bangalore  as  told  to  me  by  a  LFS  owner.
 The  fish  which  undergo  painting  are:  Gold  fish,  Black  Widow  Tetra  etc.
 So  be  careful  when  you  select  the  fish  as  they  may  be  stunted  or  dyed  as  their  life  span  may  be  limited  more  over  it  is  cruelty  to  animals  which  we  animal  lovers  cannot  tolerate.  As  it  is  said  in  most  of  the  Advertisements  these  days  say:  The  killing  stops  when  the  Buying  stops.
 
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 Hi  Vijay:
 
 None  of  the  coloration  process  is  done  in  India...
 Fortunately,  we  don't  have  such  skilled  people  around...  Very Happy  
 These  are  mainly  imported  from  our  borders  and  land  up  ultimately  in  LFS...
 One  such  thriving  industry  is  Thailand...
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 Hey  zap....I  seriously  dont  think  oscars  come  in  painted  versions.They  may  be  colorfed....and  red  oscars  are  not  very  rare.They  can  be  got  at  most  LFS.In  fact  there  is  a  variety  that  could  be  called  copper  oscar(it  was  called  'lemon'  oscar  when  it  was  sold  to  me....)this  particular  oscar  has  a  yellow  body,bordered  by  green  base.No  matter  how  much  red  color  you  feed  this  fish,  will  remain  yellow.so  that  would  make  three  varieties  of  oscars:
 1.Wild  type  "tiger"oscar
 2.Red  oscar
 3.lemon/yellow/copper....oscar
 And  there  are  albimo  strains  available  of  the  above  varieties(i.e  albino  tiger,albino  red  etc)
 Then  there  are  veiltails  Mad    which  in  my  opinion  never  manage  to  look  good.
 
 For  good  red  coloration  all  oscars  have  to  be  fed  the  right  food-red  shrimp  ,or  red  enhancing  pellets(check  out  your  lfs....they  will  have  a  good  range)Tetra  bits  is  good  for  color  enhancing...but  greedy  oscars  will  empty  the  whole  dabba  in  a  couple  of  days.
   I  know  of  other  fish  that  are  painted....but  oscars,I  really  have  my  doubts  about  that.  Very Happy  again  just  my  opinion....
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 I'm  not  sure  that  they  are  dyed  too...  try  feeding  prawns  to  your  oscars  they  will  bring  out  the  red  colour  in  the  oscars.  Copper  oscars  are  not  hormone  fed  to  my  knowledge  they  are  just  hybrids.
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 Thanks  for  the  info  guys  I  will  do  a  bit  more  research  about  this  issue!
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 Hi,
       Oscars  I  don't  think  are  dyed.  If  you  want  to  bring  out  the  colours  in  the  Oscar  the  the  best  food  is  chunks  of  beef  heart.  The  heart  has  to  be  carefully  deviened  and  all  the  fat  and  membranes  removed.  Or  else  the  undigested  stuff  will  come  out  hanging  like  a  multi  coloured  thick  rope.  Some  of  our  guys  use  goats  heart.  Fresh  prawns  if  you  can  afford  are  also  good  for  him.
                                                                           A  complete  bare  bottom  tank  with  frequent  water  changes  especially  after  heavy  feeding  and  good  aereation  will  make  your  Oscar  very  happy.  The  Oscar  is  an  intelligent  one  man  fish  and  will  soon  come  to  recognize  you  as  the  owner.  Some  people  even  the  zooland  guy  sometimes  feed  them  with  roaches.  Even  though  it  may  be  fun  to  watch  them  make  a  dash  and  gobble  the  wriggling  roach  whole,  roaches  are  a  strict  NO  NO.  That  is  because  the  roach  may  carry  pesticides  and  you  could  lose  your  Oscar.  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 Do  oscars  do  well  if  left  alone........do  they  REALLY  need  a  tankmate.....  Confused:
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