Joined: Aug 19, 2005 Posts: 4894 Location: Mathura, UP
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
It is indeed sad that such a thing should happen.
I truly empathise with your pain.
The true value of your creations lie in appreciation from your friends and your creations are indeed very beautiful.
I know how hard you have worked had and waited for this aquascape, but don't loose heart.
All the best.
ADA should be more careful before declaring results, hope they will take corrective actions.
Joined: Aug 12, 2009 Posts: 714 Location: HSR layout, Bangalore, India
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
Abhi - i really hope that this doesn't happen to those who are asking you to remain calm, mature etc etc....
just wondering if it had happened to one of them while participating in IAPLC and had to travel from India to Tokyo..probably those individuals might commit suicide - organizer calls you to declare that you are in top 20 and invites to join the function and than your name, prize everything is gone .....not with one but with 2 ranks.
Organizers were calling individuals asking if they have submitted their entries before the last date, they were also calling asking if they have registered and purchased the tickets before the event - if this can be organized in such a professional manner than why not the ranking and prizes, is it actually a goof up?
Wondering why Abhi is being called up and being given explanation/justification over the phone instead of an email or may be here? do they think people who attended the event had come to grab the free monte carlo?...that shows the level of their thought process.
We all may be partially wrong until it gets cleared by the organizers themselves. Lets be little sensitive with human emotions, just having business acumen on earth may not help as humans rule here.
Joined: Feb 06, 2009 Posts: 885 Location: Mumbai ( malad ) West
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
Its sad to hear what has happen. I hope such thing do not happen to the people who are asiing you to chill
I am sure if it did happen to them they would have it the roof
I completly understand your situation and please do not let the issue go un solved
Let this be a combined situation so that next time no one els has to face such a situation
I am with you on this ..........
Do let me know what the reply you get for the failer of people messing up your respect and self immage.
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
Must be some technical goof up which can be expected in any competition
but calling the entire compeition a fixed event and what not is going a bit too extreme.
like partha said its not 22 20 or even 10 that matter.its being in the top 5.
Probably u should start planning for next years scape and make it so good that the organizers have to give you a top 5 slot...irrespective if you use ada or not.
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
To me this event is past any credibility since so much justification on why it happened and what not happened. Boy, this is ADA competition and not some two guys in a corner aquarium trying to arrange a competition.
Somebody saying to me that my rank was something and since I complained it is now 22.
I am you Abhi and if this event is anything serious you should have gotten a valid reason by now and what was promised reinstated. I will never accept for anything less or more than what was promised.
Sorry mods. If you feel this is offensive, please remove this post.
What I said above is based on what is written in this thread.
Joined: Jul 05, 2003 Posts: 509 Location: Bangalore, India
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
Dear Friends and fellow Aquascapers,
Firstly we at the Still Water Aquatics and ADA India team would like to thank all the participants of the TGIAC 2013 and thank all of you on IAH for all the support that you have given us and surely give us always. We wish to see many more of you at the TGIAC 2014
The Great Indian Aquascaping Contest is in its 2nd year thanks to all our well wishers giving us their feedback and constructive criticism. It’s always wonderful to see people voicing their concerns here in IAH and other related forums.
This is what drives us to better every year, so with your help we learn along the way and strive for the betterment of the hobby.
We are not here to hurt anybody’s feelings, in our opinion you all 181 of you are winners because you are the pioneers in the hobby and by participating you are directly influencing the new generation to enjoy the hobby like we all have done, so there is no question of one being the winner or one being the looser.
You are all winners by just being a part of this wonderful hobby with no pride or prejudice.
All of you here have expressed your opinions and I honor them, as I am sure you are able to justify your opinions and I strongly believe that you are all voicing your opinions knowing full well how this event is conducted and the amount of time, effort and money it takes to conduct an event of this scale.
I am not here to change anybody’s opinion or to massage anybody’s pride, To Each is His Own
But I will surely tell you what is in my mind and I thank you for taking the time to read this.
TGIAC is India's largest Planted aquarium Photo contest and we hope to make it larger.
With 181 entries this year, we had participation from across the country
The no of entries from NORTH INDIA - 3
CENTRAL and WESTERN INDIA - 21
SOUTH INDIA- 122
We at ADA India and Still Water aquatics have done everything in our capacity to have a fair contest and judgment so for the first time we had a panel of Judges from Poland, Brazil and Thailand who selected the best aquascapes in India by allocating points based on the following criteria
Creativity of the Aquascape
Condition of the Aquatic Plants
Of this the Top selection the entries went to ADA, Japan where Mr. Amano allocated the points according to his judgment and final we had a list of ranks allocated for the 181 entries. As always Mr. Amano’s Judgment was revealed to us the night before the event i.e. on the 26th of July.
Invitations were sent to the top 22 Aquascapers few days before the event at which point we only had "Image Codes" of these participants and no idea of their final ranks, we clearly assumed that there were some entries that are tied and it would not make sense to remove any particular person from this list.
Only when the final results came back from Japan was it clear to us also that there were no ties and we had now 22 names instead of 20 but we had invited all 22. So not to disappoint any one all the 22 tanks of the people had been invited were shown at the event and discussed in detail by Mr. Thio and Myself and that we could bring recognition and applaud the achievement of these 22 Aquascapers for their contribution to the hobby and the world of aquascaping.
The Invite also was sent to all the participants to attend the Award ceremony, the Invite was a kind request and at no point were any one forced to attend.
As for the winners who could not make it to the Awards Ceremony, their gifts have been promptly couriered to their addresses at the cost of the company
As for the Top 22 Aquascapers we are in the process sending Mementos and Certificates again couriered to their addresses at the cost of the company.
After Discussions with ADA Japan we have come to a conclusion that from next year there will be a change to this policy.
As for Mr. Adhikary's tank being ranked twice, it was oversight, we had found multiple entries done by Mr. Adhikary who registered with us on our web site and also through the email route and looks like we did miss one of those and it has been registered twice. We will see that it does not happen in the coming year.
All we receive is a photo and an auto assigned code to the image and we have it consolidated and sent for judging, and the people doing the consolidation are not part of the hobby but an independent agency hired to do this for us and they do not need to recognize one tank from the other
This is a contest to judge your skills and not what product you are using...off course everyone knows that a person can do a much better aquascape using expensive products.
For all those who think that there was something wrong in the way the contest was conducted, all I can suggest that For The TGIAC 2014 why don’t you form a hobbyist panel and mail us all your valuable suggestions and ideas and we will try our best to apply them where required.
Our Aim at Still Water Aquatics and ADA India is to See India on the top in the World Aquascaping competitions. We want to see highest entries from India in IAPLC, which is the world's largest planted layout photo contest.
The TGIAC was never intended to be for commercial gain and never will be. To justify this I request a senior hobbyist like Mr. Nayak to drop by at our office and will gladly show him what it costs to put up a show of this size and grandeur.
The TGIAC is and will always be to for promoting Aquascapers in India and to promote the aquarium hobby.
Recognizing Mr. Adhikary’s skills and seniority he was requested to give the prize to the winner of the Trevor memorial trophy,
The Trevor memorial trophy was an idea given to us by a dear friend and hobbyist, so we at Still Water Aquatics saw it as a great idea and instituted the trophy as part of the ceremony to give a fair chance to all the participants and that is exactly what happened and Mr. Eishwar Manaay, bagged the prize and was voted by you the public.
This only goes to show that good skills cannot be hidden and that if your effort is good you will win and the people will pick you out. Again the TGIAC is not about winning or losing it is about participating and being proud of you hobby and to bring recognition to our country in whatever small way.
As for Prajwal Ghosh getting a prize, it was the second best aquascape in North India after Mr.Parthparthim, so his good luck as we had only 3 aquascapes from that region.
I guess I have said enough and was able to put all your doubts to rest, yet if you do have valuable tips to add to improve the TGIAC or an issue that you may have to discuss regarding the betterment of the hobby or the contest please feel free to send me an email on adip [at] stillwateraquatics [dot] com and promise to personally reply to you as soon as possible.
To conclude all that I have to say is that it is very easy to hide in a crowd and point fingers and be judgmental about everything but “We promise you that we at Still Water Aquatics and ADA India will stand Ahead of the crowd get fingers pointed at us, be judged and yet strive to make Indian Aquascapers the best in the world and we will see to it that an Indian will rule the world of Aquascaping and wins IAPLC no matter what it takes”
We have made up our mind and we hope you will all be at our side to make this dream of ours come true.This is only the beginning in the making of history in the world of aquascaping that will be spoken about long after we are gone, so join us and let’s make history together
The first step will be to have maximum entries in IAPLC 2014 more than China and Japan, that means at least 700 entries, Are you all ready to take the challenge???
We at Still Water Aquatics and ADA India are ready to do what it takes, are you the hobbyist of India with us in our endeavor to make our country proud?
I request you my dear friends let’s focus on the larger picture here make this dream of 700 entries come true at TGIAC 2014 and IAPLC 2014 and I will take the winner to Japan for the IAPLC 2014!!
Finally I guess it’s time for all of you to start getting ready for The Great Indian Aquascaping Contest 2014
And time for us at Still Water Aquatics and ADA India to see how best we can incorporate your feedback into the process to make the event and contest better for everyone.
I wish you all Id Mubarak and a very Happy Independence Day in Advance.
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: What's happening in TGIAC 2013 - Is it bluff!!
Why top 22 Aquascapers instead of a rounded number like 20 or 25 ? 22 also just happens to be Abhis9s ranking also. Its a lucky coincidence it seems unless its ADA's 22nd anniversary year or something which is why you chose it ?
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