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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:48 pm Post subject: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Dear  members
 
 How  can  high  PH  level  in  water  be  brought  down  (from  8.5  to  about  6.5-7.0)  without  using  chemical  salts
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 RO  Water  +  Planted  tank  Substrate  +  Driftwood  +  Almond  Leaves  +  Peat
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Can  vinegar/lemon  juice  be  used
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Nope  you  cannot.  You  can  make  an  extract  of  Peat  and/or  ALmond  leaves  and  use  that.  This  will  help  in  lowering  the  ph
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 i  read  on  the  net  that  vinegar/lime  juice  can  be  used  for  lowering  water  ph
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Then  do  it
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 IMHO,  Be  a  smart  saver  but  dont  go  over  the  edge  to  save  that  penny.
 
 Firstly,  lime  juice/vineager  thing  works  partly  in  gardeing  and  aquaponics  for  certain  plants.  Being  natural  and  acidic  doesnt  makes  it  fit  for  aquarium  use.
 
 I'll  discuss  this  issue  in  two  parts.
 Theres  no  cheap  way  on  earth  that  can  reduce  hardness  considerably.  RO  separates  hard  part  of  water  from  soft  discards  the  former  and  gives  you  the  latter  through  RO  process.  
 
 All  the  other  processes(using  chemicals,  boiling,  etc)  you  see  are  time  consuming  and  takes  much  effort  and  dont  reduce  much  hardness.
 
 Now  pH
 low  pH/acidity  is  specifically  due  to  tannic  acid  and  NO  lime  juice/vineager  can  give  you  that.  Rotting  leaves,  wood,  peat,  blackwater  extract/concentrates  gives  a  desirable  effect  chemically.
 
 If  you  want  to  dedicate  a  tank  to  softwater  fish,  either  buy  some  bottles/install  RO  system  at  your  place,  otherwise  pick  some  hardwater  fishes  for  your  convenience.  They  are  plenty  out  there.
 
 Usually  softwater  tanks  with  small  fishes  are  stocked  lightly  and  require  very  little  or  no  water  changes  with  sufficient  filtration.  ┬áBut  remember  the  word  light  stocking  here.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Thanks
 Lime  juice/vinegar  was  was  not  for  savings  but  for  ease  &  convinience
 I  think  buying  20  ltr  filter  water  jars  will  be  better
 There  will  be  no  issues  of  hardness  or  PH
 
 Dear  Mortis
 I  was  simply  asking  for  suggestions  and  not  contradicting  you
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 i  think  lemon  is  best  for  this  purpose
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Lemon  has  Citric  Acid,  Vinegar  is  Acetic  Acid.
 While  adding  them  to  reduce  pH  is  fine  in  theory,  let  me  take  you  back  to  High  School  Chemistry.
 
 When  an  Acid(as  those  mentioned  above),  reacts  with  a  Base(whatever  is  causing  high  pH  in  your  water,  these  are  mostly  carbonates  or  bi-carbonates),  what  happens  is,  the  carbonate  part  is  replaced  by  citrate  or  acetate.  This  forms  citrate  salts  and  acetate  salts.  This  also  releases  large  amounts  of  CO2.
 
 If  you  don't  believe  this,  then  take  some  powdered  chalk  and  add  vinegar  or  citric  acid  to  it.  Citric  Acid  might  not  cause  a  fast  reaction,  but  fresh  vinegar  will.
 
 This  method  that  you  have  suggested,  will  increase  your  gH,  since  kH  (carbonate  hardness)  goes  away  in  the  form  of  released  CO2,  and  is  replaced  by  gH  (general  hardness).
 
 So,  the  question  is:
 Do  we  know  for  certain  if  citrates  or  acetates  are  safe  with  fish?  Or  plants?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 +1  Hamza.  
 
 Hi  bbxx,
 
 You  are  from  Kolkata.  From  which  area  you  are  !!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 I  wrote  two  detailed  articles  on  the  subject,  you  can  go  through  them.
 
 Water  Chemistry  for  Aquariums
 
 and
 
 
 How  to  make  water  soft
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Never  had  a  soft  heart  for  soft  water  fishes!  :P
 
 Always  had  to  increase  hardness  to  8  and  above,  for  that  i  used  to  dose  CACO3,  Calcium  Carbonate.
 
 But  i  met  one  discus  breeder,  who  had  wild  discuses  stocked  at  that  time!  He  mentioned  a  chem  which  i  forgot  the  name  though.
 Which  could  lower  the  ph  drastically.  He  used  to  maintain  less  then  6  or  something,  without  those  extracts  mentioned!  If  i  get  a  chance  to  meet  him  again,  ill  ask  and  post  it  here  later.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Hard water / High PH Reply with quote

 Will  Alum  work  for  water  hardness  ?
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