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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:46 pm Post subject: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 hi  guys,
 i  had  had  these  anubias  over  a  year  and  from  past  2  months  its  not  doing  so  well.  
 1.  The  news  leaves  are  getting  smaller  comparatively.
 2.  The  leaves  are  lighter  in  shade  (yellowish  color)
 3.  The  leaves  get  brown  patch  and  decay  off.
 4.  Even  the  newer  stems  of  the  leaves  are  decaying  off.
 5.  The  roots  are  also  slowly  decreasing.
    can  you  guys  please  help  me  out.
 i  use  to  supple  c02  ,  but  stopped  it  about  3  months  ago,  since  i  shifted  my  other  planted  tank  which  needed  co2.  the  other  parameters  are  the  same,  no  changes  in  it.  
 
 here  is  the  link  to  the  photo  ablum  of  it.
 
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/130564369@N06/sets/72157650994804168/
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 you  need  to  give  complete  tank  details  in  order  to  get  better  help  and  to  allow  us  to  narrow  it  down.  Most  likely  a  co2  or  fert  deficiency
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 These  are  a  classic  symptom  of  nutrient  deficiency.  You  must  cut  off  any  damaged  or  rotting  part  of  the  plant.  add  micro  and  macro  nutrients  to  the  tank.  .  I  hope  you  are  aerating  the  tank.  The  sudden  removal  of  CO2  has  stunted  the  leaf  growth.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 Anubias  doesn't  require  co2  by  giving  you  can  see  fast  growth,  your  photo  shows  lot  of  nutrient  deficiency   can  you  tell  us  about  your  tank  details  and  fert  dosing  below  is  the  pic  which  might  help  you  to  find  the  deficiency  
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 Fantastic  Andrew  perfect  demonstration   Thumb Up  
 
 What  is  that  substrate  below?  If  its  golden  sand  then  it  requires  cleaning  and  good  cleaning.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 found  the  below  link  it  might  be  useful
 
 http://deficiencyfinder.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 ok  ,  will  give  complete  detail  from  the  time  i  got  it.
   i  had  bought  it  when  i  visited  chennai  ,
 and  when  i  introduced  it  to  my  tank  (no  co2  and  no  fertilizer  dosing)  slowly  the  roots  started  dying  and  even  the  leafs  were  deteriorating.  (in  the  span  of  2-  3  weeks)
 so  i  was  forced  to  shift  it  to  a  empty  bare  bottom  tank  and  introduce  co2  ,  and  with  2-3  months  ,  it  was  doing  great.
 then  i  built  a  new  3  footer  just  to  set  up  a  anubia  tank  (  i  never  used  fertilizer  dosing  ,  only  co2)   
 at  this  point  co2  was  given  to  the  anubia  tank  and  another  planted  tank.
 after  about  4  months  or  so  i  had  to  take  out  the  co2  out  from  the  anubia  tank  because  my  other  planted  tank  was  being  shifted  to  a  far  away  room  which  was  in  needed  of  co2  more.
 after  that  its  been  about  3  months  slowly  the  anubia  plants  have  been  deteriorating.
 so  this  is  complete  history  of  my  anubias.
 light  am  using  is  
 1.  one  2  feet  18  watt  tube  ,  roughty  for  11  hours
 2.   one  36  watts  pll  ,  for  about  4  hours.
 water  changes  done  once  a  week  or  once  in  2  weeks  ,  75%
 fishes  i  have  in  the  tank  are  cherry  barb,  neon  tetra,  blue  king,  black  phantom  ,  siemese  algee  eater.
 later  on  added  few  local  caught  shrimps  and  awoas  goby.
 
 and  now  what  i  see  is  new  anubia  leafs  are  been  eaten.  will  post  some  pictures  of  the  fishes  i  mentioned.  any  idea  who's  eating  the  anubia  leafs?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 its  definitely  a  nutrient  deficiency.  When  we  ask  for  tank  details  we  mean  tank  size,  filtration,  lighting  etc
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:18 am Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 thanks  a  lot  Andrew,  that  was  helpful.   Smile  
 
 Mortis
 tank  details  are
 DIMENSION
 3ft/2ft/1.5ft   (length/height/width)
 LIGHTS
 one  2  feet  tube  18  watts  on  for  about  11  hours  and  one  36  watt  pll  on  for  about  4  hours
 FILTRATION  
 one  power  head  motor  with  two  outlet  ,  one  connected  to  a  DIY  over  head  sump  filter.
 
 its  clearly  because  of  removing  co2   and  nutrition  deficiency.
 
 but  i  have  never  used  any  macro  or  micro  fertilizer  for  the  anubias  from  the  time  i  have  bought  them,  then  why  all  of  a  sudden  this  nutrition  deficiency  ?      
 
 how  do  i  over  come  this  problem,  can  anyone  help  me  out.   Sad  
   i  had  brought  so  many  anubias  initially  thinking  it  wont  need  co2  or  fertilizer  dosing  and  i  will  have  a  low  maintenance  tank,  where  i  will  just  do  a  water  change  and  nothing  else.   but  now  this  looks  like  a  regular  planted  tank  which  needs  co2  and  fertilizer  dosing   Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:49 am Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 Hi  misbah,
 
 Reduce  your  photo-period  to  8hrs  that  is  more  than  enough  and  try  to  use  same  light,  and  yes  like  you  said  you  can  keep  anubias  without  co2  and  fert  where  the  growth  will  be  very  slow,  you  mentioned  this  anubias  are  a  year  old  and  last  2  months  only  facing  some  issue  in  that  case  you  need  to  consider  your  water  because  basically  normal  tap  water  will  come  with  required  calcium  and  magnesium  there  might  be  some  fluctuation  in  your  tap  water  and  also  note  anubias  won't  show  sign  immediately  it  will  take  some  time  and  same  like  that  if  you  start  adding  fert  you  will  see  the  difference  after  2  weeks  only,  some  plants  like  rotala  macrandra,  star  grass  and  Eichhornia  Diversifolia  will  show  sign  immediately.  And  whenever   you  do  water  change  add  dechlorinator,  And  add  some  normal  fert  it  will  start  come  to  life  Thumb Up  and  do  keep  us  updated  about  the  progress  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 When  you  suddenly  change  parameters,  plants  take  time  to  adapt.  I  once  lost  Over  20  Anubais  when  i  moved  them  from  low  tech  to  a  high  tech  setup.  They  melted  in  5  days.  though  they  are  hardy  plants,  drastic  changes  in  water  parameters  and  setup  will  cause  an  adverse  affect.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 Hey,  
 
 keep  both  lights  on  but  only  for  around  7-8  hrs.  with  both  lights  on  you  will  still  be  only  in  the  low  light  category  since  you  have  a  3  footer  and  on  top  of  that  your  tank  height  is  2  feet.
 
 What  is  the  flow  rate  of  the  powerhead  ?  Since  you  are  using  top  sump  type  filter  you  are  offgassing  what  little  co2  is  there  in  the  tank  also.
 
 Plants  can  store  some  nutrients  in  their  systems  but  if  you  dont  provide  them  with  a  balance  of  all  nutrients  then  they  will  deteriorate.  Even  plants  like  java  fern  and  anubias  will  die  if  left  long  enough  in  these  conditions.
 
 This  phenomenon  is  called  "beginners  luck"  where  newly  added  plants  (easily  seen  in  stem  plants)  are  added  to  a  less  then  ideal  tank  and  appear  to  do  well  for  a  couple  of  months  encouraging  the  bigginer  and  then  it  goes  downhill  suddenly.
 
 The  reason  you  are  experiencing  this  only  now  is  because  anubias  is  a  very  slow  growing  plant  and  on  top  of  that  your  lighting  is  quite  low  and  you  provided  them  with  some  CO2  in  between  so  it  has  taken  a  much  longer  time  to  deteriorate  because  its  internal  reserves  we  utilized  very  slowly
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:44 am Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 why  dont  you  make  a  DIY  co2  bottle?
 
 if  you  want  them  to  survive  you  may  have  to  start  dosing  ferts.  
 
 the  other  idea  would  be  to  chnage  water  daily   30%  to  40%  which  will  give  some  strenght  to  the  plants.
 
 Buy  some  localy  available  fert  from  the  market  for  the  time  being  and  dose
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:30 am Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 Thanks   lot  for  all  your  advice  guys  (  Andrew  ,  Preets,  Mortis,  garothmaan  )   Thumb Up  
 will  do  a  water  change  more  often  and  will  keep  the  lights  on  for  8  hours  only.
 what  do  you  guys  mean  by  local  fertilizer?  and  can  you  help  me  how  often  to  dose  and  how  much  to  dose?
 
   @Mortis  -  the  reason  for  low  light  is  because  i  afraid  of  agree  growth  ,  which  at  any  cost  i  dont  want  to  have.  it  take  away  the  beauty  of  the  tank  and  its  very  tough  to  get  rid  of  algae.  so  i  on  only  one  36  watts  lights  for  4  hours.and  one  18  watts  tube  for  11  hours.
 actually  i  have  2  36  watts  pll  and  one  18  watts  tube  fitments  for  the  tank.  but  i  never  on  the  2nd  36  watts  pll  light.
 
 @Andrew  -  will  keep  you  guys  updated   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: help needed , something wrong with my anubia's Reply with quote

 hi  guys,  
 i  removed  the  anubias  from  the  3  feet  tank  and  reset  it  in  a  4  feet  tank  with  others  plants  as  well...  (  reason  for  doing  this  was  because  this  tank  had  a  co2  connection)  
 i  am  very  bad  in  scaping  ,  if  something  is  not  right  ,  do  tell  me.  will  try  to  fix  it  in  next  my  major  cleaning  of  the  tank.  pellia  and  flame  moss  does  not  set  well  with  the  way  i  have  set,  but  i  didnt  have  any  other  place  to  keep  them.
 as  of  now  just  co2  and  lighting  is  being  given.  need  to  order  for  fertilizer.  
 
 here  the  pics  of  the  tank.  the  water  is  not  crystal  clear  cos  i  clicked  the  picture  right  after  the  set  up,  will  click  some  pics  after  a  week  or  so.  
 and  by  the  way  am  a  bad  photographer  too   Thumb Down  
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/130564369@N06/sets/72157651660420820/
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