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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches? Reply with quote

 Hi  everybody!
 Please  suggest  me  with  a  good  filtration  method  for  a  3  feet  long  ad  3  feet  high  tank.  It's  gonna  be  a  planted  one!  I  don't  want  a  sump  filter!!
 I  am  thinking  of  using  an  aquarium  pump  along  with  a  wavemaker  or  a  circulation  pump.  Can  anyone  advice  me  on  choosing   good  pumps  and  how  to  use  them  effectively?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 3  feet  high?  There  are  issues  you  would  run  into  just  for  that  height.  How  do  you  plan  on  cleaning  the  gravel  or  substrate?  How  do  you  plan  on  making  simple  adjustments  to  the  decorations,  whether  plants  or  driftwood,  or  ornaments?  While  adding  fish  will  be  easy,  how  do  you  plan  on  removing  the  fish,  since  they  will  be  3  feet  deep  inside  the  water?  The  nets,  the  gravel  siphon,  and  everything  else  will  have  to  be  super  sized.
 
 Filtration,  how  much  ever  powerful,  will  never  cover  the  entire  height  of  your  tank.  Wavemakers  will  cause  more  issues  than  they  are  meant  to  fix.  Like  fish  getting  stuck  to  them,  or  gunk  getting  stuck  to  the  wavemaker's  mesh,  etc.  To  keep  the  fish  from  getting  stressed,  you  will  need  to  turn  off  the  wavemakers  at  night,  which  will  cause  filtration  flow  to  drop.  You  will  need  all  sorts  of  tricks  to  get  to  it.  What  kind  of  fish  are  you  planning  to  keep?
 
 My  suggestions:
 Get  3-4  IPFs  to  ensure  circulation,  and  use  a  large  capacity  canister  filter,  which  has  a  flow  rate  of  about  700  gallons  per  hour  or  more.  While  the  canister  filter  will  filter  a  large  percentage  of  the  water,  the  IPFs  can  be  arranged  alternate  to  each  other.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Thanks.  One  friend  have  suggested  a  Eheim  2217.
 And,  for  lighting,  there  are  2x20W  LED  floodlights.  How  much  should  I  add,  for  a  very  low  tech/no  co2  planted  tank?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 For  a  3'  high  planted  tank,  the  lighting  is  a  bit  dicey  to  calculate,  since  there  are  a  number  of  variables  in  calculating  how  far  the  light  can  penetrate.  You  might  need  to  start  with  a  bit  higher  wattage.  Maybe  start  with  the  two  20W  floodlights  that  you  have,  and  add  more  if  the  plants  start  melting  or  if  they  do  not  produce  many  O2  bubbles.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Yeah,  I've  decided  to  add  2x40W  LED  floodlights.  So,  totally  120  watts.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Its  not  going  to  be  enough
   You  will  need  a  custom  LED  fixture  with  45  degree  optics  on  it  to  get  penetration.  Otherwise  you  will  just  have  to  pack  the  top  with  a  lot  of  LED  floodlights  to  get  a  decent  amount  of  light  at  the  base
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 @Mortis:  You  mean  to  say  that  2x20W  and  2x40W  =  120  watts  of  that  LED  floodlights  won't  be  enough  to  grow  low  tech/no  co2  plants  like  java  ferns,  anubias,  swords,  etc...?!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Low  tech  is  fine  but  at  the  substrate  level  you  wont  be  able  to  grow  much.  Also  flow  will  be  a  big  issue  and  you  will  need  several  powerheads  to  ensure  no  dead  spots
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 How  about  adding  2  Internal  filters  of  1200lph  and  1  wavemaker  of  2000lph  for  circulation?  Will  that  be  sufficient?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Your  fish  will  go  crazy  and  get  stressed  with  that  amount  of  flow.  A  3  feet  high  tank  is  not  a  great  idea.  This  is  the  only  reason  why  we  buy  tanks  which  are  wider,  rather  than  taller.
 
 A  friend's  office  had  a  5  feet  wide  by  4  feet  high  tank  installed  in  the  reception  area,  and  many  a  professional  aquarium  maintenance  people  struggled  to  make  it  work.  There  was  algae  build-up,  which  could  not  be  removed,  since  most  of  it  was  4  feet  inside  the  tank,  the  gravel  could  seldom  be  cleaned,  and  dead  fish  could  not  be  removed  immediately.  All  because  of  the  height.
 
 Finally  they  changed  it  into  a  2  feet  high  tank.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Even  I  had  the  same  plan  of  taller  tank  but  fortunately  it  was  corrected  by  one  of  the  IAH  team  member  and  suggested  to  go  with  2  feet  height.  Now  I  am  realizing  the  fact  that  he  was  correct  otherwise  the  maintenance  would  have  been  a  nightmare  for  me.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Thanks  guys  for  he  information,  but  unfortunately  the  tank  is  already  finished  and  right  now  all  that  I  am  worried  about  is  how  to  provide  good  filtration  system  for  this  tank?!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 You  can  check  this  tank  for  reference
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Wow!  Great  tanks  there!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Best filtration for a big planted tank - 36x36x18 inches Reply with quote

 Hi  there,
 
 Height  is  not  a  matter  in  aquarium  till  you  use  a  proper  wavelength  light  and  the  light  you  have  mentioned  can  grow  HC  in  your  tank  itself  Thumb Up  but  buy  proper  spec  flood  light  with  6500k,  only  challenge  with  your  height  is  maintenance  you  can  go  for  sunsun  304  with  lily  pipe  where  you  will  get  good  circulation  in  your  tank  without  any  dead  spot,  eheim  2217  has  only  1000  l/hr  circulation  whereas  sunsun304  has  2000  l/hr  circulation  and  you  can  buy  2  sunsun  304  for  buying  1  ehiem  2217  Chuckle
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