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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 SUBSTRATE  Question  :  
      i  am  going  for  a  3  ft  tank  (90x45x45  cm)  so  i  would  be  needing  round  about  27  -  29   kg  of  substrate  to  get  the  desired  layout  &  depth  for  plants.  And  as  we  all  know  ADA  soil  is  very  expensive  so  my  question  to  you  is  that  can  i  use  river  sand  (not  white  sand)  for  the  initial  depth  of  the  substrate  &  put  the  top  layer  of  ADA  soil  (i.e  just  one  9L  bag  at  the  top  and  20  kg  of  river  sand  at  the  base).  
 
 -  Could  mixing  (or  layering)  of  this  two  different  sand  or  soils  could  cause  any  problem  ?  Has  anyone  done  this  before  &  what  are  the  results  ?  
 
 -  Can  i  do  it  this  way  or  i  should  stick  to  one  complete  set  up  of  river  sand  or  ADA  soil  or  any  other  soil  alone  ?  
 
 -  Also  what  is  the  life  span  of  ADA  soil  as  my  LFS  person  told  me  that  it  last  for  only  3  yrs  then  it  melts  away  ?  
 
 link  for  river  sand  -  http://www.ebay.in/itm/231624177569?aff_source=Sok-Goog  
 
 -  My  other  option  is  going  for  ISTA  soil  ,  JBL  manado  .   which  is  better  between  the  two  ?  
 
 link  for  insta  soil  :  http://aquanatureonline.com/index.php/pled36b454b95an078a9589c62ant303dc6a/substrate/ista-soil-9l.cms  
    
 Has  anyone  used  Ista  or  JBL  soil  ?  What  are  your  reviews.?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 Hi  sanky,
 others  may  absolutely  not  agree  with  what  I'm  going  to  say  now,
 Use  common  soil  (red)  at  the  bottom  then  use  ada  soil  as  top  layer.  Don't  worry  your  aquarium  ll  b  neat  n  clean.  Plants  ll  really  thrive.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 Hi  Sanky
 
 I  believe  that  is  not  river  soil  mentioned  in  the  ebay  URL.  It  is  soil  laterite.
 
 If  it  is  soil  laterite  then  in  Bangalore  we  get  it  around  40  Rs  per  kg  if  we  buy  5  kg.  And  i  checked  in  LFS  for  river  soil  it  comes  around  30  Rs  per  kg.
 
 I  would  suggest  to  check  in  Nehru  Nagar  or  check  some  LFS  in  Thane.  As  a  child  i  used  to  go  to  Hemant  in  B-Cabin  and  one  near  paradise  Height  at  Talao  Pali.  I  am  sure  there  will  be  more  LFS  in  Thane.
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 Hi  Sanky,
 Firstly  I  have  seen  the  link  it  looks  like  gravel  to  me.  river  sand  or  gravel  is  used  as  a  cap  to  soil.  
 I  would  suggest  if  you  are  using  ADA  use  only  that,  using  sand  wont  create  any  problem,  at  the  same  time  it  will  not  be  of  any  use  if  you  are  using  sand  as  a  bottom  layer  for  ADA  it  will  just  increase  the  height  .  if  you  using  river  sand  as  a  cap  to  ADA  it  will  help  in  avoiding  ada  loose  particle  to  come  out  of  water  surface  but  then  you  cannot  grow  carpet  plants  well.  and  again  if  you  are  re-scaping  then  you  cannot  separate  them.
 ADA  will  last  for  3  years  after  that  it  will  disintegrate  into  piece  this  is  what  i  heared  from  many  but  always  you  can  top  it  up  with  new  ada  soil.
 and  then  JBA  manado  is  like  gravel  you  have  to  have  some  bottom  nutition  layer(JBL  itself  have  some  nutritin  soil)  and  have  jbl  manado  as  a  cap,  it  doesnot  have  nutrition  like  ADA  soil.
 Note:  i  have  not  used  ADA  soil/  JBA  manado  but  this  is  based  on  my  reading  on  internet  and  interaction  with  experts,  and  logically  it  sound  right  to  me  may  be  experts  can  suggest.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 thank  u  @DRJALLI,  @arun_anto  ,  @tubby  for  your  rply..!!
 
 Accordingly  what  has  been  said  i  have  a  question  ..
 
 Then  can  i  use  laterite  alone  as  a  substrate  for  my  planted  tank,  as  i  inquired  abt  ADA  soil  its  costing  me  around  1800  for  1  -  9L  bag  &  my  local  LFS  is  giving  me  laterite  for  60/  kg  hence  30  kg  would  cost  me  round  abt  1800  for  all  compared  to  ADA  !!!  
 
 What  substrate  u  guys  have  used  in  your  planted  tanks.?
 
 If  i  m  using  laterite  as  substrate  what  precautions  or  other  additional  things  would  i  be  needing  to  grow  healthy  plants..  ?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 I  am  no  expert  by  any  means  so  take  it  with  pinch  of  salt.  Started  my  own  planted  aquarium  recently  with  some  easy  growing  plants.
 
 Soil  laterite  itself  does  not  have  any  nutrients.  If  you  are  using  it  i  believe  you  will  have  to  dose  it  with  DIY  fertilizers  or  plant  fertilizers  from  like  Seachem,Sera  etc  etc.
 
 I  think  it  all  depends  on  what  plants  you  are  going  to  grow.  Are  you  going  low  tech  or  high  tech.  
 
 If  you  are  going  for  plants  like  java  fern  and  anubias  then  substrate  does  not  matter  at  all.  Tie  them  on  rocks  or  wood.
 
 Experts  can  guide  you  better.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 hello  sanky
 im  no  expert  in  planted  tanks  but  i   have  like  mountain  soil  /laterite  in  my  3  feet   tank  as  i  like  the  red  look  and   i  think  my  plants  love  it  as  well
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 Laterite  capped  with  river  sand  will  be  good,  you  can  do  what  I  have  done
 
 3  ft  Tank-
 
 bottom  layer  -  Coco  peat
 
 Center  layer  -  garden  mud
 
 Top  Most  layer  -  River  sand
 
 No  at  this  stage,  my  tank  is  about  4  months  old  with  a  lot  of  ups  &  downs  and  finally  its  stable.
 
 In  your  case  you  can  use  2  layers  of  Laterite  and  top  I  with  river  sand  (fine  particle),  it  will  be  very  good  and  I  don't  think  you  need  any  ferts  in  moderate  light  condition-  Use  the  Light  calculator  for  lighting-
 
 use  simple  plants  like  chain  grass,  corkscrew,  Amazon  sword,  cabomba,  ambulia,  bacopa  initially  and  chek  the  soil  strength.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Help Needed ..!!! Reply with quote

 thanks  @tubby,  @nicks  ,  @garothmaan  for  your  valuable  views..
 
 Actually  guys  i  m  a  bit  confused  btw  river  sand  (Not  white  sand)  &  laterite  ?  i  mean  are  they  both  same  or  different.  Can  anybody  give  a  good  reference  regarding  the  same.!  Photos  of  both  could  help  me  understand  much  better  if  anyone  can  upload  it..!!!
 
 Yes  tubby  i  am  going  for  low  tech  tank  ..but  i  think  i  will  go  for  steam  plants  as  well  later  on..
 
 Nick  can  u  tell  me  did  u  used  any  fertilizer  in  your  tank  before  putting  the  laterite  as  substrate,  and  also  if  u  used  any  macro  &  micro  fert  later  on  as  well.?  
 Nick  can  u  share  some  pics  of  your  tank  plzz...
 
 Can  u  tell  me  the  local  LFS  in  thane  who  has  laterite  as  well  as  Macro  &  micro  fert  &  other  good  equipments  for  planted  tanks.  
 i  think  my  lfs  is  over  charging  me  ,  he  is  giving  me  60/Kg  for  laterite.  Also  the  3  ft  tank  is  costing  me  around  1800  for  8  mm  thickness..  Is  it  correct.?
   For  how  much  u  got  your  tank  Nick..?
 
 Any  more  comments  or  views  or  info   about  the  same  would  be  appreciated..!!
 Thankx  in  adavance  guys..!!  Thumb Up
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 Forget  about  anything  else,  if  you  can  afford  ADA  Amazonian  don't  mix  with  anything  else  use  only  ADA.  
 
 If  not  ok  with  ADA  use  laterite  or  mix  cocopeat(small  quantity  may  be  only  500gms)  and  vermicompost/  humus  with  it.  Top  with  river  sand(granual  siz  e  3-5mm).  Your  soil  is  ready.  In  this  case  don't  disturb  the  soil  again  and  again  for  replanting.
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Forget  about  anything  else,  if  you  can  afford  ADA  Amazonian  don't  mix  with  anything  else  use  only  ADA.  
 
 If  not  ok  with  ADA  use  laterite  or  mix  cocopeat(small  quantity  may  be  only  500gms)  and  vermicompost/  humus  with  it.  Top  with  river  sand(granual  siz  e  3-5mm).  Your  soil  is  ready.  In  this  case  don't  disturb  the  soil  again  and  again  for  replanting.                

 
 Thankx  parthapratim  i  will  go  for  2  option  u  suggested  ,  the  coco  peat  mix  one..!!  hope  is  does  the  trick  for  me..!
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Forget  about  anything  else,  if  you  can  afford  ADA  Amazonian  don't  mix  with  anything  else  use  only  ADA.  
 
 If  not  ok  with  ADA  use  laterite  or  mix  cocopeat(small  quantity  may  be  only  500gms)  and  vermicompost/  humus  with  it.  Top  with  river  sand(granual  siz  e  3-5mm).  Your  soil  is  ready.  In  this  case  don't  disturb  the  soil  again  and  again  for  replanting.                

 
   Thumb Up  right-  this  will  also  be  a  good  mix-  laterite  is  red/pink  colour  soil  which  will  melt  easily.  river  sand  is  a  little  brakish  (salty)   with   very  fine  to  medium  granules  of  red  color  with  a  little  mud  mixed  with  it.
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