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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:03 am Post subject: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 Dear  fellow  aquarists,
 
 I  have  a  45  gallon  community  planted  tank,  with  4  Angels,  2  rainbow  sharks,  4  YoYo  loaches,  all  living  in  harmony  with  Anubias  Nana,  Anubias  Narrow  Leaf,  Java  Fern  and  Windelov  Fern.  In  order  to  add  some  blue  and  yellow  fish  to  my  tank  (and  also  to  have  fish  that  have  interesting  character)  I'm  wondering  if  I  can  add  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi  (Just  1  male  and  4  or  5  females)  to  the  said  tank.
 
 Three  Questions:
 
 (1)  Could  you  please  advise,  if  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi  can  be  kept  with  4  fully  grown  Angels  and  2  Rainbow  Sharks  and  4  YoYo  Loaches  in  a  45  gallon  tank?
 
 (2)  If  its  possible  to  keep  the  above  mentioned  fish  together,  please  advise  how  many  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi  I  can  keep  in  my  45  gallon  tank  with  the  other  fish  mentioned  above.  (I'm  thinking  either  "1  male  with  5  females"  or  "2  males  with  6  females")
 
 (3)  Is  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi  a  threat  to  any  of  the  plants  I  have  mentioned  above,  which  are  all  tied  to  drif-wood  and  rocks?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 Where  are  you  trying  to  source  them?  they  are  quite  exotic  dwarf  species.
 
 You  may  be  talking  about  some  other  giant  growing  fish  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maylandia_lombardoi  if  so  not  suitable  with  your  current  fish
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  your  reply,  Saikumar.  I  really  hadn't  thought  that  it'd  we  difficult  to  find  them.  But  I'm  beginning  to  feel  that  way  after  checking  in  some  local  aquarium  stores,  since  none  of  them  seem  to  have  them.  But  there  is  one  shop  in  Shivajinagar,  where  I  haven't  tried  and  where  I'm  hoping  to  find  them.  
 
 And,  yes,  I  was  looking  for  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi  and  not  Maylandia  lombardoi.  I  hadn't  heard  about  Maylandia  lombardoi.  It  amazing  that  the  Maylandia  lombardoi  exhibits  exactly  the  reverse  sexual  dimorphism  of  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi.  I  learnt  about  Pseudotropheus  Saulosi  after  searching  on  the  internet  after  I  decided  that  I  needed  to  add  some  blue  and  yellow  fish  to  my  tank.
 
 I  think,  I'll  settle  for  blue  Dwarf  Gouramis  and  some  yellow  Gouramis  or  Mollies.  The  problem  with  Gouramis  is  that  they  mostly  stick  to  the  top  of  the  tank.  I  want  to  switch  to  a  African  Cichlids,  but  I  can't  bring  myself  to  give  up  the  fish  that  I  have  in  my  tank  presently.  
 
 Is  it  true  that  to  keep  African  Cichlids  one  needs  heavy  filtration.  I  presently  have  a  45  gallon  tank  with  a  fluval  306  canister  filter.  If  going  for  a  Cichlid  tank  means  buying  a  better  canister  filter  or  adding  another  canister  filter,  its  out  of  the  question  for  me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 Thats  great  you  got  the  exact  difference  I  was  trying  to  point  out  to  you.
 
 Not  all  africans  are  boistrous  to  keep.  There  are  pleanty  of  dwarf  species  which  can  fit  well  into  45gallon  along  with  your  current  filtration.
 But  they  wont  be  the  best  tank  mates  for  your  current  inhabitants.
 
 Try  looking  out  for  rams,  they  will  add  more  glitter  to  the  tank  and  generally  occupy  bottom  to  middle  part  of  the  water.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 What  about  the  my  plants  SaiKumar?  Would  you  say  that  African  Cichlids  are  not  a  threat  to  the  plants  that  I'm  keeping  (Anubias,  Java  Ferns)?  I  can't  do  without  plants.....
 
 Also,  could  you  give  me  some  tips  about  what  a  beginner  should  know  when  keeping  a  African  Chichlid  tank?  Tips  that  could  save  time  and  money  for  a  beginner.  
 
 Yeah!  I  agree,  Rams  could  be  great.  The  biggest  problem  is  that  they  are  slow  and  fussy  eaters.  The  other  fish  just  gobble  up  everything  before  the  Rams  can  make  up  their  mind  to  eat.  
 
 Thanks  again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 45gal  is  kinda  on  the  lower  side  if  you  ask  me  for  a  regular  malawi  tank.  By  African  I  am  meaning  the  regular  lake  malawi  ones.
 
 The  malawis  are  pretty  straight  forward  to  keep.  Keep  them  in  more  than  12pcs  so  agression  is  distributed.  Add  sufficient  hiding  spaces.  Keep  a  backup  power  ready,  as  they  ll  suffocate  easily  due  to  stocking.  Sand  of  2-3mm  grain  should  be  fine.  Add  a  good  top  filter  or  sump  for  filteration.  This  is  one  of  the  basic  setups  you  can  make,  nothing  much  to  save  in  money  aspect.
 
 As  these  are  all  local  bred,  your  tap  water  should  be  enough,  try  to  use  ground  water  as  far  as  possible,  or  aged  muncipal  water.
 
 yellow  labs(easy  to  get  one  of  the  calmer  ones)  Labidochromis  caeruleus  are  something  you  can  keep.  Tank  full  of  these  is  a  sight  to  behold.  And  add  all  the  plants  before  you  add  juvies  of  this  fish.  Just  get  a  good  staple  diet  food  from  Hikari  and  you  are  ready.  Keep  reading  more  and  you  ll  be  more  comfortable  and  fish  too.
 
 
 BTW  Rams  arent  that  picky,  once  they  settle  they  ll  eat  from  your  hands  and  like  any  cichlids  are  big  foodies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 The  water  requirement  of  African  rift  lake  Cichlids  and  Angels  are  poles  apart.  The  former  need  hard  water  while  angels  prefer  soft  water.  Also  African  cichlid  might  be  too  feisty  for  angels.
 Angels   do  well  with  non  aggressive  fish,  their  flowing  fins  can  become  a  target  for  other  fish.
 Plants  are  again  a  problem  with  Rift  lake  cichlids,  the  hardness  of  water  required  for  these  cichlids  is  not  good  for  plants.
 If  you  want  plants  soft  water  fish  like  angles  and  rams  are  a  good  option.
 Although  these  fish  are  kept  in  sub  optimal  water  conditions,  but  it  is  my  belief  that  fish  should  be  kept  in  water  parameters  close  to  their  original  habitats  as  far  as  possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Advise: Pseudotropheus Saulosi with Angels? Reply with quote

 @SaiKumar:  Thanks  once  again.  I  really  appreciate  your  taking  time  to  share  information.  
 
 I  checked  out  Yellow  Labs  and,  Wow!,  they  look  awesome.  I,  also,  found  out  that  they  are  omnivorous.  
 
 I  have  a  some  more  questions  (Sorry,  I  have  so  many):
 
 (1)  Can  I  feed  'Hikari  Sinking  Cichlid  Gold'  as  a  staple  food  for  Yellow  Labs?  Could  you  suggest  something  better  from  your  experience  that  can  serve  as  staple  food  for  Yellow  Labs?
 (2)  If  they  come  to  the  surface  to  feed,  can  I  give  them  freeze  dried  Tubifex  Worms?  
 (3)  Please  let  me  know  if  feeding  live  worms  is  absolutely  necessary  for  these  fish.  (I  can't  feed  live  worms.)
 (4)  I'm  planning  to  experiment  keeping  my  4  Angels  with  5  to  6  Yellow  Labs  (I  read  they  are  the  least  aggressive  among  Malawi  Cichlids)  and  I'm  going  to  keep  a  constant  watch  initially.  Would  you  say  that  this  a  bad/fatal  experiment  even  to  try?  (I  already  have  plenty  of  excellent  hiding  places  for  my  4  YoYo  Loaches  &  there  is  lots  of  Anubias  and  Java  Fern  as  well)
 (5)  What  is  a  good  store-bought  food  for  Rams?  (I  won't  keep  Rams,  if  yellow  labs  are  compatible  with  Angels)
 
   
 
 @Sandeep:  Ah!  Indeed  that's  a  very  important  point  to  consider.  Presently,  I'm  keeping  my  angels  in  slightly  harder  water  than  what  they  are  used  to  in  their  natural  habitat.  It's  around  7.5,  but  they  have  been  doing  well  for  over  1  &  1/2  years  now.  My  aquarium  water  is  a  mix  of  ground  water  and  tap  water  treated  with  Seachem  Prime.  I  mix  tap  water  to  make  the  ground  water  slightly  soft.  Would  you  say  that  7.5  PH  would  suit  Yellow  Labs?  (Would  you  say  that  I  should  not  even  experiment  keeping  Yellow  Labs  with  Angels?  I  do  know  that  the  flowing  fins  of  Angels  will  be  targeted  by  aggressive  fish,  but,  as  I  mentioned  above,  I  plan  to  keep  a  constant  watch  initially)
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