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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:45 am Post subject: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 Hi;   Cheer  
 
 Review  of  which  Substrate  is  the  best  to  be  used  for  Beginners,Advanced  Hobbyist
 1.JBL  AquaBasis  plus(2.5lts,5lts)
 2.JBL  Manado  Natural  Substrate(10lts,25lts)
 3.Marfied  Contro  Soil  Black  Japan(10lts)
 4.Platinum  Soil  Imported  Japan(9lts,3lts)
 5.ISTA  Water  Plant  Soil  -  pH  6.5(2lts,9lts)
 6.Contra  soil  Black  (10lts)
 7.Caribsea  Eco  complete  substrate  Black,Red  (9kg)
 8.SeaChem  Flourite  Red  (7kg,9kg)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 ADA  Amazonia.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 Best  for  beginners  is  2-4mm  grain  size  river  sand
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 It  all  depends  on  what  you  intend  to  achieve,  availability,  budget  etc  etc.
 
 I  have  seen  people  bringing  brilliant  tanks  with  laterite  soil  or  DIY  substrates  in  this  very  forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:07 am Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 Hi;
 
 1.  Thanks  u  for  the  reply  but  ADA  is  the  best  used  by  the  international  forum  sites.I  just  wanted  to  know  apart  from  ADA  other  substrates  listed  above   from  1  To  8  have  anyone  used  it???  what  are  the  results??
 
 2.Can  we  add  additives  of  ADA  like  clear  super,tourmaline  BC,  to  other  brands  of  substrates  from  1  to  8,  is  that  ok???
 
 3.I  thanks  shyamhegde,  Preeths,Mortis  for  the  reply  
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 ADA  is  not  easy  for  beginners  because  it  requires  some  maintenance  in  the  beginning  that  can  lead  to  algae  blooms  if  you  do  not  follow  a  fixed  routine.  Other  commercial  substrates  are  also  similar  with  varying  levels  of  forgiveness.
 
 This  is  why  I  recommend  river  sand  since  it  is  almost  inert.  River  sand  +  liquid  ferts  +  CO2  will  give  you  good  results  for  90%  of  plants  and  is  more  forgiving.  Since  you  only  need  to  take  care  of  liquid  dosing  you  can  adjust  it  easily  as  per  your  observations.
 
 As  for  other  products  you  will  not  need  most  of  them.  For  commercial  ferts  I  recommend  Seachem  products  otherwise  in  terms  of  bang  for  buck  and  effectiveness  EI  ferts  are  great
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 Hi  Mortis;   Cheer  
 
 Thanks  for  the  reply?  but  the  biggest  draw  back  in  the  river  sand  it  does  not  have  the  pre-determined  nutrients  as  available  in  the  readymade  substrates  as  i  listed  from  1  to  8  .
 u  are  saying  just  to  add  liquid  ferts  +  CO2  will  that  make  up  the  plants  growth  rates  ???  i  dont  think  so.As  told  by  the  biggest  aquascapers  AMANO  substrates  is  the  main  heart  and  the  nevous  system  of  the  planted  tank  then  the  rest  of  the  elements  comes  together  the  summay  of  the  planted  tanks  goes  like  this
 
 1.Good  substrates  either  company  branded  or  DIY  
 2.Good  lightning
 3.Good  liquid  ferts  +  CO2  
 4.Good  Root  tab  
 
 what  do  u  say  for  this?????
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 Yes  it  is  correct.  As  long  as  you  are  dosing  enough  liquid  ferts  and  have  sufficient  CO2  you  can  grow  pretty  much  all  plants.  In  case  of  heavy  root  feeders  you  can  simply  add  root  tabs  in  that  area  of  the  soil.  There  are  very  few  plants  that  absolutely  require  what  commercial  substrates  provide.  A  lot  of  hobbyists  including  myself  have  grown  HC  cuba  a  tough  plant  in  river  soil  also  with  just  EI  ferts  and  CO2.
 Since  we  are  talking  about  BEGINNER  substrates  it  makes  more  sense  to  use  an  inert  one  where  you  dont  have  to  deal  with  ammonia  spikes,  extra  large  water  changes  and  an  unknown  quantity  of  organic  nutrients.  It  is  far  easier  to  dose  liquid  ferts  where  you  know  exactly  what  and  how  much  you  are  adding  to  the  tank.  At  most  a  beginner  will  NEED  commercial  substrate  if  he  has  very  hard  and  alkaline  water  in  his  area  and  the  buffering  capacity  of  soil  helps  bring  things  down  to  manageable  levels  suitable  for  a  wider  range  of  plants.
 Besides  with  river  soil  you  can  always  add  a  fertile  base  layer  like  mineralized  soil  or  vermicompost  and  cap  it.
 
 Think  about  it  from  a  BEGINNERS  point  of  view  which  is  better  a  cheap  substrate  and  cheap  liquid  ferts  that  allow  him  to  grow  pretty  much  all  plants  or  a  more  expensive  soil  that  and  additives  that  require  more  maintenance  which  if  he  fails  to  do  will  result  in  algae  blooms  and  poor  growth  that  leaves  him  disheartened  because  he  has  invested  thousands  in  the  system  ?
 
 Your  summary  is  wrong  and  often  a  mistake  many  beginners  make.  The  order  of  importance  is  this  :
 
 1]  Good  CO2  and  Filtration/Flow  throughout  the  tank.  This  is  the  main  thing  and  essential  for  success.  Its  like  50%  of  the  battle  won.
 
 2]  Enough  liquid  ferts  for  your  entire  tank.  This  includes  Macros  and  Micros.  Ferts  should  never  be  less  than  what  the  plant  needs,  a  little  in  excess  is  better  than  less
 
 3]  ADEQUATE  LIGHTING  :  You  need  to  have  the  right  amount  of  light  for  the  type  of  tank,  plants  and  growth  rate  you  want  to  achieve  as  well  as  how  much  maintenance  you  want  to  put  in.  Having  bright  lights  with  other  parts  out  of  balance  will  lead  to  failure.  Lighting  is  one  of  middle  factors  to  consider.  Also  branded  lights  and  "special"  bulbs  and  tubes  will  not  give  any  added  advantage.  It  will  just  waste  your  money.
 
 4]  Fertile  substrate  and  cool  temp  below  28  degrees.  This  is  the  order  of  importance  of  a  fertile  substrate  to  success
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

 +1  Mortis.  
 
 If  I  may  add  to  what  is  already  so  beautifully  explained,  your  inert  substrate  wont  stay  inert  for  long  (in  a  sense).  Not  all  fish  waste  is  picked  up  by  the  filters  and  some  of  it  settles  down  on  the  substrate  and  eventually  becomes  plant  nutrition,  at  the  root  level.  But  for  this  to  happen,  I  think  its  important  you  choose  a  coarser  grain  size  which  will  also  prevent  compaction  (substrate  getting  together  too  tight  due  to  water  pressure)  to  a  great  extent.  
 
 I  derive  this  little  experience  from  my  2.5G  low-tech  shrimp  tank  that  runs  with  nothing  but  river  gravel  as  substrate  and  absolutely  no  CO2  or  dosing.  I  have  crypts  and  amazon  swords  in  this  tank,  which  I  am  told  are  heavy  root  feeders  and  they  are  doing  pretty  well   sprouting  a  new  leaf  every  week  or  so,  thanks  to  some  of  the  waste  settling  to  the  bottom.  I  would  say  that's  a  perfect,  least-hassle  way  to  begin  with  the  planted  hobby.   
 
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 Hi;
 
 thanks  Mortis  for  the  reply  forgot  about  the  filitration  process??
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 Forgot  about  the  filtration  process  meaning  ?  Do  you  mean  in  the  list  of  importance  ?  That  is  included  under  "flow"  that  I  clubbed  with  CO2
 Your  filtration  or  flow  rate  should  be  between  5-10  times  tank  volume  per  hour.  If  you  stock  sensibly  you  dont  need  too  much  filtration  in  a  planted  tank.  You  still  need  good  flow  though
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:06 am Post subject: Re: which Substrate is the best to be used for Beginners Reply with quote

                                                   
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your  inert  substrate  wont  stay  inert  for  long  (in  a  sense).  Not  all  fish  waste  is  picked  up  by  the  filters  and  some  of  it  settles  down  on  the  substrate  and  eventually  becomes  plant  nutrition                

 
 Fish  waste  will  settle  in/on  all  soil.  So  I  think  the  point  was  if  the  soil  already  has  organics  in  it,  it  may  decompose  sooner  or  faster.
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 If  you  dig  up  the  IAH  Archives,  you  can  get  some  stunning  planted  tank  pics  purely  from  locally  sourced  Soil...
 
 The  commercial  ones  are  great  no  doubt..But  in  both  cases,  you  continue  to  invest  in  Dosing,  Co2,  and  related  maintenance.
 
 The  growth  rates  could  vary!
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 Is  JBL  manado  an  inert  substrate  ?  
 Does  it  need  a  fish  less  cycle  ?
 Can  anyone  with  experience  with  the  same  please  shed  some  light  on  this   Smile
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 I  think  Monando  is  just  fired  clay.  So  it  should  be  inert.
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