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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:04 pm Post subject: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 Hi  guys
 
 So  here  is  the  thing.  I  have  pieces  of  driftwood  in  my  tank  which  was  fully  cured.  Initially  it  leached  some  tannins  after  placing  in  the  tank.  But  after  that,  tank  water  is  crystal  clear.  But  now  after  3  months,  I  find  that  the  outer  black  layer  of  the  driftwood  is  scaling  off  in  many  placing  revealing  a  yellowish  brown  layer.  My  water  is  turning  yellowish  brown  and  I  could  find  brown  dust  at  various  places  in  my  tank.  I  am  guessing  that  the  driftwood  is  rotting.
 
 Is  it  natural?  Can  I  clean  it  or  should  I  remove  it.  I  can't  stand  the  yellow-water.  Here  are  the  before  and  after  pics.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 It  looks  like  it  is  loosing  the  bark,  but  its  difficult  to  say  for  sure.  What  wood  is  it?
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 I  am  not  sure  what  wood  it  is.  I  bought  it  from  my  LFS  and  so  far  this  LFS  has  been  quite  reliable.  I  am  guessing  may  be  there  is  something  the  water  which  is  causing  this.  I  have  another  piece  of  driftwood  in  the  tank  bought  online  which  is  showing  the  same  signs  of  exfoliating.
 
 Is  this  natural  because  after  initial  phase  of  leaching  tannins  the  water  got  crystal  clear  but  suddenly  my  water  started  turning  yellowing  and  the  wood  seems  to  be  losing  its  outer  covering.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 The  easy  way  out  is  to  add  a  Pleco.  It  will  eat  the  soft  wood  and  bark  leaving  behind  the  hard  wood  at  the  center  after  a  few  days.  If  you  can  scrape  off  the  drift  wood  till  the  center  with  you  finger  nail,  then  its  a  soft  wood.  it  will  gradually  decay  or  breakup.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 Points  noted..  Will  check  if  its  soft  wood  or  not  tomorrow  during  my  cleaning  schedule.
 
 But  regarding  the  pleco.  I  am  sceptical.  Plecos  grow  very  large..
 
 Do  you  recommend  taking  the  wood  out  and  scrape  it  off  with  a  toothbrush  or  something?
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying OR Green Water Reply with quote

 OK..  So  I  checked..  The  wood  is  hard  but  while  scratching  it  with  finger  nail,  black  dust  is  coming  off  exposing  the  brown  wood  underneath.  But  I  think  the  problem  is  something  else.
 
 After  putting  on  a  white  background,  I  now  see  the  water  is  greenish..  not  brownish...  Is  this  green  water  then?  I  thought  green  water  is  supposed  to  be  cloudy  but  the  water  is  clear  with  greenish  tinge.
 
 Please  provide  your  valuable  comments.
 
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 Tank  water  in  a  bottle.
 
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying or GREEN WATER Reply with quote

 Hi  
 
 I  strongly  feel  its  green  water.  Added  purigen  to  check  if  its  not.  
 
 If  it's  green  water  please  help  me  how  to  get  rid  of  it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 I  think  there  are  plenty  of  factors  affecting  the  tank.  
 
 1.  I  think  there  too  many  nutrients  in  the  system  causing  an  algal  bloom,  with  conditions  favoring  a  plethora  of  different  algae.  I  feel  a  few  days  of  total  blackout  will  do  you  good.
 2.  There  were  signs  of  an  impending  algal  bloom  in  your  first  picture,  the  glass  on  the  bottom  section  was  already  covered  in  brown  algae.  Plus,  in  the  before  pic  plenty  of  plants  had  wilted,  saggitaria  was  missing,  so  was  all  of  the  hydrocotyle.  Only  Anubias  seems  to  be  thriving.  Which  makes  me  think  maybe  you  dont  have  enough  light?
 3.  The  driftwood  is  losing  bark.  IIRC  most  of  the  tannins  from  the  wood  are  leached  from  the  hardwood  underneath  the  bark,  with  only  a  small  amount  being  released  from  the  bark.  So  it  is  possible  that  your  wood  is  still  leaching  tannins  which  is  making  your  water  change  color.  I  do  not  think  it  is  green  water,  green  water  infestations  are  pretty  apparent.  To  counter  the  color,  I  would  suggest  running  a  carbon  reactor,  maybe  inside  your  filter  or  maybe  a  dedicated  small  reactor.
 4.  There  seems  to  be  large  die-offs  of  plants,  which  has  only  aided  in  growth  of  algae.
 
 If  I  were  you,  I  would  add  an  algae  eater  or  few  shrimps,  or  both.  Scrape  as  much  of  it  off  as  I  can,  increase  the  water  change  schedule.  Re-think  my  lights,  maybe  I  need  a  lot  more  light  than  I  currently  have  OR  Maybe  I  dont  have  enough  lights  for  the  plants  that  Ive  selected.
 
 All  the  best!  I  am  sure  you'll  bounce  back  and  this  tank  will  be  great!  Also,  it  would  be  great  if  you  could  provide  detailed  specs  of  this  tank,  including  flora  fauna,  lights  and  the  water  change  schedule.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 Hi  robero,  clean  the  glass,  see  a  few  videos  on  you  tube  regarding  electrolysis  of  water.  
 
 There  is  a  product  Twinstar,  check  that  video.  It  will  help  keep  the  tank  clean.  
 
 Don't  add  any  fertilisers.  keep  co2  maximum  and  clean  the  filter  media.  
 
 Purigen  wont  work  at  all  in  this  scenario.  Electrolysis  of  water  will  work  like  magic.  you  can  do  DIY  also.  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 @ashwin1224
 
 Thanks  for  the  insightful  input.  Please  find  the  tank  details
 
 Tank  specs:  36in(L)  x  18in(B)  x  18in(H)  
 Lights  :  2x36W  PLL  +  1x24W  T5HO  
 
 Tanks  was  started  using  pre-used  ADA  Amazonia  Soil  topped  with  new  9L  ADA  Amazonia.  Plant  growth  almost  exploded.   Dwarf  dag  fully  transitioned  to  submerged  growth  and  sent  out  runners  everywhere.  Jave  fern  also  transitioned  and  sent  out  new  plantlets.  All  other  plants  were  doing  fine.  So  I  am  guessing  that  lights  are  sufficient.
 
 Then  a  series  of  events  happened,  which  I  think  had  upset  the  balance  of  the  tank.
 
 1)  I  skipped  one  week  water  change.
 2)  Then,  I  was  testing  my  timer  when  by  mistake  I  left  it  on  for  10  hours.
 3)  Then,  I  was  already  dosing  high.  On  top  of  that  I  dosed  macros  on  2  consecutive  days.
 
 By  then  I  was  already  seeing  signs  of  BGA  algae.
 
 4)  Then,  I  bought  few  Harlequin  rasboras  and  they  all  died  one  by  one  (  probably  due  to  nigh  nitrate  dose)
 
 Very  soon  I  realized  my  plants  were  not  doing  well  and  BGA  had  spread  more.  I  thought  may  be  due  to  low  nitrate  this  is  happening.
 
   I  upped  my  dosage  (  Yes  that  was  very  very  stupid  of  me)  till  I  reached  the  below  dosage.
 
 Dosage  per  week:  KNO3  -  1.5  teaspoon  x  2  +     KH2PO4  -  1  teaspoon  x  2  +  Seachem  Flourish  -  5  ml  x  2  +  Flourish  Iron  -  5  ml  x  1  +  Flourish  excel  -  2x  recommended  dose  daily  
 
 All  this  while  I  was  unable  to  perform  any  water  change  as  I  had  to  meet  a  deadline  and  work  in  the  weekends  as  well.
 
 This  is  when  I  noticed  that  the  tank  water  has  turned  brownish  yellow.
 
 I  realized  my  mistake.
 
 I  did  70%  water  change  and  added  another  filter  to  improve  flow.  BGA  started  receding  but  plant  growth  was  severely  affected.  
 
 After  a  few  water  change  BGA  is  all  gone  now.  I  have  reduced  my  dosage  to  proper  EI.  I  added  CO2.  Replaced  the  T5HO  with  a  36W  Osram  PLL.  Plants  are  showing  sighs  of  recovery.
 
 But  no  amount  of  water  change  is  resolveing  this  green  (brown?)  water  problem.  
 
 @garothmaan
 
 Thank  you  for  your  comments.
 
 I  have  heard  of  twinstar  and  I  know  it  works.  Seen  a  few  videos  and  its  very  costly  actually.  I  checked  the  DIY  video  as  well.  But  I  am  a  little  scared.  The  DIY  looks  very  risky  to  me.  Any  idea  where  I  can  get  the  steel  mesh  in  case  I  have  the  courage  to  try.  
 
 Please  send  me  a  DIY  link  for  Twinstar  if  you  have  any.  
 
 Right  now  I  have  kept  the  bottle  of  green  aquarium  water  in  a  dark  room.  If  it  is  green  water,  I  will  clear  up  after  4-5  days.
 
 Till  then  I  am  adding  more  stem  plants  and  reducing  the  dosage  as  suggested.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

                                                   
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@ashwin1224
 
 Thanks  for  the  insightful  input.  Please  find  the  tank  details
 
 Tank  specs:  36in(L)  x  18in(B)  x  18in(H)  
 Lights  :  2x36W  PLL  +  1x24W  T5HO  
 
 Tanks  was  started  using  pre-used  ADA  Amazonia  Soil  topped  with  new  9L  ADA  Amazonia.  Plant  growth  almost  exploded.  ¬†Dwarf  dag  fully  transitioned  to  submerged  growth  and  sent  out  runners  everywhere.  Jave  fern  also  transitioned  and  sent  out  new  plantlets.  All  other  plants  were  doing  fine.  So  I  am  guessing  that  lights  are  sufficient.
 
 Then  a  series  of  events  happened,  which  I  think  had  upset  the  balance  of  the  tank.
 
 1)  I  skipped  one  week  water  change.
 2)  Then,  I  was  testing  my  timer  when  by  mistake  I  left  it  on  for  10  hours.
 3)  Then,  I  was  already  dosing  high.  On  top  of  that  I  dosed  macros  on  2  consecutive  days.
 
 By  then  I  was  already  seeing  signs  of  BGA  algae.
 
 4)  Then,  I  bought  few  Harlequin  rasboras  and  they  all  died  one  by  one  (  probably  due  to  nigh  nitrate  dose)
 
 Very  soon  I  realized  my  plants  were  not  doing  well  and  BGA  had  spread  more.  I  thought  may  be  due  to  low  nitrate  this  is  happening.
 
   I  upped  my  dosage  (  Yes  that  was  very  very  stupid  of  me)  till  I  reached  the  below  dosage.
 
 Dosage  per  week:  KNO3  -  1.5  teaspoon  x  2  +  ¬†  KH2PO4  -  1  teaspoon  x  2  +  Seachem  Flourish  -  5  ml  x  2  +  Flourish  Iron  -  5  ml  x  1  +  Flourish  excel  -  2x  recommended  dose  daily  
 
 All  this  while  I  was  unable  to  perform  any  water  change  as  I  had  to  meet  a  deadline  and  work  in  the  weekends  as  well.
 
 This  is  when  I  noticed  that  the  tank  water  has  turned  brownish  yellow.
 
 I  realized  my  mistake.
 
 I  did  70%  water  change  and  added  another  filter  to  improve  flow.  BGA  started  receding  but  plant  growth  was  severely  affected.  
 
 After  a  few  water  change  BGA  is  all  gone  now.  I  have  reduced  my  dosage  to  proper  EI.  I  added  CO2.  Replaced  the  T5HO  with  a  36W  Osram  PLL.  Plants  are  showing  sighs  of  recovery.
 
 But  no  amount  of  water  change  is  resolveing  this  green  (brown?)  water  problem.  
 
 @garothmaan
 
 Thank  you  for  your  comments.
 
 I  have  heard  of  twinstar  and  I  know  it  works.  Seen  a  few  videos  and  its  very  costly  actually.  I  checked  the  DIY  video  as  well.  But  I  am  a  little  scared.  The  DIY  looks  very  risky  to  me.  Any  idea  where  I  can  get  the  steel  mesh  in  case  I  have  the  courage  to  try.  
 
 Please  send  me  a  DIY  link  for  Twinstar  if  you  have  any.  
 
 Right  now  I  have  kept  the  bottle  of  green  aquarium  water  in  a  dark  room.  If  it  is  green  water,  I  will  clear  up  after  4-5  days.
 
 Till  then  I  am  adding  more  stem  plants  and  reducing  the  dosage  as  suggested.                

 
 You  should  have  included  all  this  backstory  in  the  main  post  itself,  helps  others  understand  your  problem  better  and  offer  accurate  solutions.
 
 Regarding  the  green  water,  I  am  still  not  convinced  it  is  algal,  to  me  it  looks  normal.  You  have  not  mentioned  what  filter  you're  using?  IMO,  the  color  can  be  easily  cured  by  using  activated  carbon  in  your  filter.  Activated  carbon  is  a  "polishing"  agent  for  water,  however  it  might  also  remove  fertilizers  from  the  water  column.  All  aquariums  tend  to  change  the  water  color  to  the  yellowish  side  naturally,  over  time.  The  easiest  way  to  counter  this  is  by  performing  regular  water  changes.  I  change  20%  of  water  weekly  for  all  my  tanks,  yet  the  water  that  is  removed  from  the  tank(and  fed  to  plants)  always  has  a  yellowish  color,  it  is  not  noticeable  inside  the  tank  though.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 https://youtu.be/J0vyLWiFz7Q,     https://youtu.be/J0vyLWiFz7Q
 
 thats  the  link,  steel  mesh  is  available  at  any  hardware  store.  but  getting  a  second  hand  ibm  laptop  charger  is  challenging  in  Kolkata.  
 
 I  made  many  styles,  best  steel  plate  will  be  our  good  old  kitchen  grating  steel  plate  with  holes  ROFL  ,  because  its  long  lasting.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Is my driftwood decaying Reply with quote

 @ashwin1224
 
 Yes..  you  are  right..  I  should  have  mentioned  the  history.  I  thought  that  it  was  not  related  to  the  issue  since  I  have  already  rectified  the  problem  and  my  plants  are  growing  again.  My  bad.
 
 Regarding  Carbon..  I  really  am  not  inclined  to  use  it.  Instead  I  am  using  Seachem  purigen  for  2  days  now.  It  is  supposed  to  remove  tannins.  But  no  luck..  However  water  looks  even  clearer.  I  am  already  doing  50%  water  change  weekly  since  I  am  dosing  EI.  I  have  bought  new  stem  plants  as  well.  Just  hoping  things  work  out.
 
 @garothmaan
 
 Thanks  for  the  video.  Can  you  please  give  me  pic  of  your  DIY  twinstar.  Not  sure  where  to  get  the  ribbon  case.  I  can  use  DC  adapter  in  place  of  laptop  chanrger,  I  guess.  Well  we  do  have  a  lot  of  stock  of  used  Laptop  chargers  here  at  chandni  chowk.
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