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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:51 am Post subject: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

 Hi  guys  i  am  setting  up  my  4*2*18  L*W*H  into  planted  tank  connected  to  3f  sump.
 
 will  be  using  Tropica  Aquarium  soil,  ista  CO2  kits
 
 will  be  keeping  below  plants
 
 Rotala  macrandra
 Pogostemon  erectus
 Eleocharis  acicularis
 Rotala  'Bonsai'
 Marsilea  hirsuta
 Hemianthus
 callitrichoides  'Cuba'
 Vesicularia  ferriei
 'Weeping'
 Vesicularia  dubyana
 'Christmas'
 Alternanthera  reineckii
 'Mini'
 Heteranthera  zosterifolia
 
 
 confused  in  fertilizer  which  brand  to  use  or  go  for  DIY
 
 light  will  be  DIY  Warm,  cool  white  lights  and  some  blues  (just  for  show)     Very Happy
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 Hey  tripleS,
 
 While  Ive  not  tried  the  ista  kits  myself,  ive  been  advised  on  several  forums  to  stay  away  from  them  as  they  either  dont  provide  enough  CO2  or  not  last  long  enough  to  be  hassle  free,  and  ultimately  end  up  being  costlier  than  a  pressurized  system.  I  can  vouch  for  DIY  kits,  they  are  as  good,  if  not  better  than,  the  ista  kits.
 
 And  for  the  light,  I  would  again  advice  to  avoid  warm  whites.  I  tried  them  with  my  tank  and  ended  up  growing  loads  of  algae,  since  many  species  of  algae  absorb  the  warmer  colors  and  thrive.  You  should  share  a  bit  more  details  of  your  DIY  light  plants.
 
 I  would  hold  off  fertilizers  initially.  Let  the  plants  grow  and  if  you  see  any  signs  of  deficiency  then  treat  that  with  specific  ferts.  Indiscriminate  fertilizer  use  is  like  a  red  carpet  for  algae,  and  you  are  already  using  a  good  substrate  which  has  plenty  of  nutrients.
 
 Your  plant  selection  looks  solid,  but  they  require  pressurized  CO2,  esp  the  carpet  plants.  And  since  you're  using  a  few  mosses  too,  liquid  CO2  goes  out  of  the  equation  as  well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hey  tripleS,
 
 While  Ive  not  tried  the  ista  kits  myself,  ive  been  advised  on  several  forums  to  stay  away  from  them  as  they  either  dont  provide  enough  CO2  or  not  last  long  enough  to  be  hassle  free,  and  ultimately  end  up  being  costlier  than  a  pressurized  system.  I  can  vouch  for  DIY  kits,  they  are  as  good,  if  not  better  than,  the  ista  kits.
 
 And  for  the  light,  I  would  again  advice  to  avoid  warm  whites.  I  tried  them  with  my  tank  and  ended  up  growing  loads  of  algae,  since  many  species  of  algae  absorb  the  warmer  colors  and  thrive.  You  should  share  a  bit  more  details  of  your  DIY  light  plants.
 
 I  would  hold  off  fertilizers  initially.  Let  the  plants  grow  and  if  you  see  any  signs  of  deficiency  then  treat  that  with  specific  ferts.  Indiscriminate  fertilizer  use  is  like  a  red  carpet  for  algae,  and  you  are  already  using  a  good  substrate  which  has  plenty  of  nutrients.
 
 Your  plant  selection  looks  solid,  but  they  require  pressurized  CO2,  esp  the  carpet  plants.  And  since  you're  using  a  few  mosses  too,  liquid  CO2  goes  out  of  the  equation  as  well.                

 
 Any  link  for  diy  co2  kit,  my  leds  are  320  w  with  Cree  leds  I  can  change  warm  leds  to  cool  one


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Any  link  for  diy  co2  kit,  my  leds  are  320  w  with  Cree  leds  I  can  change  warm  legs  to  cool  one                

 Sure,  
 Amazon  link
 Also,  320W?  Im  assuming  you'll  be  using  the  latest  1W  CREEs  which  run  around  100-120Lumen/Watt,  giving  your  unit  38,400lumen  of  light!  Thats  a  LOT  for  a  90G  tank  man.  You'll  be  in  High  Tech,  high  light  territory  at  150W  itself,  assuming  latest  CREEs.  Have  you  already  made  this  unit?  If  it  is  dimmable  then  running  it  at  half  the  capacity  will  improve  its  efficiency  by  quite  a  lot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Any  link  for  diy  co2  kit,  my  leds  are  320  w  with  Cree  leds  I  can  change  warm  legs  to  cool  one                

 Sure,  
 Amazon  link
 Also,  320W?  Im  assuming  you'll  be  using  the  latest  1W  CREEs  which  run  around  100-120Lumen/Watt,  giving  your  unit  38,400lumen  of  light!  Thats  a  LOT  for  a  90G  tank  man.  You'll  be  in  High  Tech,  high  light  territory  at  150W  itself,  assuming  latest  CREEs.  Have  you  already  made  this  unit?  If  it  is  dimmable  then  running  it  at  half  the  capacity  will  improve  its  efficiency  by  quite  a  lot.                

 
 
 Thanks  for  the  link,  and  actually  i  was  using  this  light  for  my  other  tank  i  can  make  changes  or  else  will  go  for  a  new  one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Any  link  for  diy  co2  kit,  my  leds  are  320  w  with  Cree  leds  I  can  change  warm  legs  to  cool  one                

 Sure,  
 Amazon  link
 Also,  320W?  Im  assuming  you'll  be  using  the  latest  1W  CREEs  which  run  around  100-120Lumen/Watt,  giving  your  unit  38,400lumen  of  light!  Thats  a  LOT  for  a  90G  tank  man.  You'll  be  in  High  Tech,  high  light  territory  at  150W  itself,  assuming  latest  CREEs.  Have  you  already  made  this  unit?  If  it  is  dimmable  then  running  it  at  half  the  capacity  will  improve  its  efficiency  by  quite  a  lot.                

 
 
 Thanks  for  the  link,  and  actually  i  was  using  this  light  for  my  other  tank  i  can  make  changes  or  else  will  go  for  a  new  one.                

 
 Were  you  using  these  lights  on  a  marine  tank  by  any  chance?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Any  link  for  diy  co2  kit,  my  leds  are  320  w  with  Cree  leds  I  can  change  warm  legs  to  cool  one                

 Sure,  
 Amazon  link
 Also,  320W?  Im  assuming  you'll  be  using  the  latest  1W  CREEs  which  run  around  100-120Lumen/Watt,  giving  your  unit  38,400lumen  of  light!  Thats  a  LOT  for  a  90G  tank  man.  You'll  be  in  High  Tech,  high  light  territory  at  150W  itself,  assuming  latest  CREEs.  Have  you  already  made  this  unit?  If  it  is  dimmable  then  running  it  at  half  the  capacity  will  improve  its  efficiency  by  quite  a  lot.                

 
 I  have  used  the  DIY  CO2  that  is  shown  in  the  link.  Its  prone  to  leak  otherwise  it  will  last  for  2-3  weeks.  You  need  to  fiddle  with  it  every   two  weeks  when  you  change  the  contents.  I  would  not  not  recommend  it  for  a  large  tank.
 
 The  ideal  case  is  120  lumens/watt  with  Cree  LED's.  Consider  a  realistic  value  of  70-80  lumens  depending  on  the  way  you  have  built  the  light  setup.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Getting into Planted world Reply with quote

 For  fertilizers  safest  and  easiest  bet  will  be  to  go  with  tropica  liquids.  I  used  them  for  a  while,  its  a  simple  one  fertilizer  solution  and  hassle  free,  recommended  to  be  dosed  one  time  a  week  post  water  change(by  tropica),  but  in  my  experience  I  had  to  double  the  amount  gradually  as  plants  grew  for  my  high  tech  setup...  For  the  list  of  plants  you  are  aiming  for  Tropica  specialized  fertilizer  will  do.  
 
 For  lights...you  have  to  lower  the  intensity  as  others  are  suggesting  here.
 
 Are  you  using  original  crees,  or  the  ones  similar  to  cree  mounted  on  the  star  PCB  heat  sinks?(usually  taiwanese/chinese  make)
 Crees  cost  10x  the  price  and  are  2-3x  efficient  compared  to  Taiwanese  look  alikes.
 
 What  type  of  drivers  are  you  setting  these  up  with?  constant  current  or  constant  voltage?  
 
 The  combination  of  cool  whites,  warm  whites(4000k)  and  blues  sounds  okay,  but  it  should  be  in  proper  ratios  to  avoid  algae  blooms.  
 
 You  can  follow  maxpect  LED  ratios  for  planted  tank  for  best  results,  the  combination  is  known  to  bring  out  vibrant  colors.
 
 Maxpect  LED  ratios
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 Show  your  tank  pictures  please,  also  show  us  your  lights.  I  suggest  you  try  co2  my  way.
 
 3  cups  sugar,  30  GM's  dry  yeast  and  water  in   cola  bottle  1.5  liters.  Fill  only  about  1  liter  water.  Use  air  controller  and  one  way  non  return  valve.  If  you  want  the  whole  assembly  come  to  Mumbai  marine  lines  I  will  give  you  free.
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