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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 Buddy,
   If  you  really  wanna  have  FH  and  wanna  give  it  a  life  that  it  deserves,  Then  get  hold  of  much  bigger  tank  with  adequate  filtration.  In  all  the  catagories  mentioned  above  there  are  exotic  varities,  Check  them  out  if  you  wanna  live  with  the  existing  tank  size.
 
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 Hey  theash,
                         What  are  your  tank  dimensions.If  it  is  12  inch(1ft)  by  6inch(0.5feet)  by  6  in  then  it  contains  only  7  litres  of  water.
 
    Theoretically  you  can  keep  1cm  fish  in  1litre  of  water.Then  you  can  safely  grow  your  fish  to  only  7cm  in  the  tank.
       
 I  have  a  2  feet  tank  with  60  litre  capacity.I  personally  dont  follow  above  rule  but  I  have  been  keeping  fish  tank  since  9  years  so  I  have  a  lot  of  experience  and  know  ways  to  keep  fish  safely  in  heavy  stock  which  i  cant  recommend  to  you.
 
 But  I  too  think  7  litre  of  water(if  it  is)  is  too  little  for  flowerhorn.
 
 
 If  its  something  like  25  to  30  litre  then  you  can  keep  fh  a  little  longer  and  the  150l/h  filter  will  be  perfect  for  the  tank.
 
                        Pay  a  visit  to  Rajan  Aquarium.It  is  opposite  Dahisar  rail  station(W).Get  down  the  station  and  walk  north(i.e.  towards  virar  side),it  is  a  small  shop  facing  south.
 
   He  has  some  amazing  looking  10  inch  flowerhorns.He  also  has  some  juvenile  quality  pearscale  flowerhorns  about  3  inch  in  size  ,price  is  4  times  the  cost  of  your  fh  and  a  lower  quality  one  for  2  times  cost  of  your  flowerhorn.
 
   Also  ask  him(Rajan)  all  your  doubts,queries,worries  about  keeping  flowerhorns.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 @  Theash
 
                                                 
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Which  are  good  quality  flower  horns.  I  means  the  ones  that  look  awsome  when  grown  up.  I  have  seen  one  in  Jogeshwari.  It  was  off  white  in  colour.  Where  would  one  get  these  during  juveline  age  and  how  to  know  its  quality                

 
 Please  click  on  the  link  given  below  to  see  some  FlowerHorn  pictures
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5146
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hey  theash,
   Â   Â   Â   Â   Â   Â   Â   Â What  are  your  tank  dimensions.If  it  is  12  inch(1ft)  by  6inch(0.5feet)  by  6  in  then  it  contains  only  7  litres  of  water.
   Â Theoretically  you  can  keep  1cm  fish  in  1litre  of  water.Then  you  can  safely  grow  your  fish  to  only  7cm  in  the  tank.
 Â 
 I  have  a  2  feet  tank  with  60  litre  capacity.I  personally  dont  follow  above  rule  but  I  have  been  keeping  fish  tank  since  9  years  so  I  have  a  lot  of  experience  and  know  ways  to  keep  fish  safely  in  heavy  stock  which  i  cant  recommend  to  you.
 
 But  I  too  think  7  litre  of  water(if  it  is)  is  too  little  for  flowerhorn.
 If  its  something  like  25  to  30  litre  then  you  can  keep  fh  a  little  longer  and  the  150l/h  filter  will  be  perfect  for  the  tank.
 .                

 
   Wall Bang   Wall Bang   Punch  
 
 Yeh!!!  a  little  longer  may  be  a  few  minutes  to  a  few  hours  longer.  A  FH  in  a  10G  tank  is  insane  and  a  crime  from  a  hobbiest  perspective.  For  a  FH  you  at  least  require  a  40-60G  tank.  No  2  FH's  can  be  kept  in  a  single  tank.  Else  the  fish  even  though  if  it  will  be  alive  will  be  stunned  in  growth  and  will  be  short  lived.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 Well  
 A  two  page  discussion  on  keeping  a  flowerhorn  in  a  1ft  tank,  and  we  still  don't  know  other  two  dimensions  of  the  tank.  Very Happy  
 Dear  friend  please  post  other  dimensions  of  the  tank.
 You  cannot  keep  large  fish  in  a  tank  of  its  size,  please  remember  that  the  size  of  a  tank  is  not  dependent  on  the  current  size  of  the  fish  but  on  the  adult  size  of  the  fish.
 An  adult  size  flowerhorn  will  exceed  the  lenght  of  this  tank,  how  will  even  a  juvinile  live  in  this  tank.
 The  only  fish  appropiate  in  a  tanks  of  this  size  are  livebearers  like  platy,  guppy,  molly,  even  swordtails  can't  be  kept  in  this  tank.  Fighter  of  betta  is  another  choice.
 No  chiclids  of  any  type  might  be  appropiate  in  a  tank  of  this  size.
 For  starters  a  tank  of  2ft  by1ftby  1ft  of  a  12-15g  (40lts)  is  bare  minimum.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 Sorry  all  for  delay  in  reply.  Tank  size  is  1feet  long  X  7  inch  deep  X  1  feet  height
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

                                                   
theash  wrote  (View  Post):                
Sorry  all  for  delay  in  reply.  Tank  size  is  1feet  long  X  7  inch  deep  X  1  feet  height                

 
 Your  tank  is  a  4  gallon  or  14  lit  tank.  It  is  enough  for  a  betta,  or  a  couple  of  platys,  guppies.  Definetly  not  a  flowerhorn  of  even  juvinle  size.
 Either  get  a  larger  tank  or  trade  your  fish  for  above  fishes.
 BTW,  guppies  will  look  nice  in  a  tank  of  your  size.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 Theash  /  Beans.....
 
   As  all  the  time  we  have  been  telling  you  and  this  would  be   my  last  attempt  to  make  you  folks  understand  
 Flower  horns  each  of  them  would  require  at  least  a  50  -60G  tank.  By  no  way  can  you  keep  these  fishes  in  any  thing  small.  These  are  based  on  many  parameters.  Like  aggression  /  water  quality  etc  etc
 
 
   If  this  message  has  not  reached  you  this  time  
 
 
      I  give  up  suggesting  you  folks......   
 
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Theash  /  Beans.....
 
   As  all  the  time  we  have  been  telling  you  and  this  would  be  Â my  last  attempt  to  make  you  folks  understand  
 Flower  horns  each  of  them  would  require  at  least  a  50  -60G  tank.  By  no  way  can  you  keep  these  fishes  in  any  thing  small.  These  are  based  on  many  parameters.  Like  aggression  /  water  quality  etc  etc
 
 
   If  this  message  has  not  reached  you  this  time  
 
 
   Â   I  give  up  suggesting  you  folks......  Â 
 
 Raghu                

 
 
 Hey  Raghu,   
 
                  No  need  to  bang  your  head  on  this.Theash  has  made  it  very  clear  that  he  is  planning  to  buy  a  bigger  tank  for  the  flowerhorn.All  I  am  trying  to  help  him  out  with  is  to  safely  keep  his  flowerhorn  which  at  present  is  only  2.5  inch  in  the  current  tank  till  it  outgrows  the  tank.
 
   And  I  have  not  suggested  keeping  two  flowerhorns  together.All  I  told  theash  was  were  to  get  a  good  quality  flowerhorn  from  assuming  that  he  will  trade  away  the  one  he  has  now.
      
    Perhaps  he  could  grow  the  flowerhorn  he  has  now  as  big  as  he  can  in  the  current  tank  ,then  it  will  greatly  increase  its  value  and  then  he  can  trade  it  for  smaller  size  good  quality  flowerhorn.In  the  mean  time  he  will  also  have  his  new  tank  ready.
 
   You  guys  are  directly  assuming  that  he  plans  to  grow  his  flowerhorn  to  full  adult  size  in  his  1  feet  tank  and  losing  your  hair  over  it.
 
 
   Now  if  someone  could  suggest  the  best  form  of  filtration  for  a  14  litre  tank  it  would  be  very  helpful  for  theash.
 
 To  recap  I  have  suggested  a  150  l/h  atman  filter.
 
 I  would  also  like  to  add  that  a  sponge  filter  is  necessary  along  with  the  power  filter  as  someone  else  also  suggested.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 Hi  beans,
 Visited  aquazone  yesterday.  Nice  store  but  they  did  not  have  filter  suggested  by  you.  They  only  had  sponge  filter  which  already  I  have.  But  anyway  nice  shop  to  visit  to  see  variety  of  small  fish.
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 He  had  only  one  piece  of  the  atman  150l/h  filter  but  he  has  a  showcase  full  of  other  mechanical  filters  of  higher  flowrates  of  atman  and  other  brands  with  him.
 
   Anyhow  checkout  shops  in  rajendra  nagar  in  borivli  east.
 
   You  can  as  well  buy  the  atman  300l/h  ,its  flow  rate  is  adjustable  ;though  it  costs  a  little  more,I  bought  it  for  a  little  less  than  350  bucks.It  does  not  however  come  with  a  spray  bar  as  with  the  150l/h  filter.
    
 Make  sure  to  check  out  fish  shop  in  dahisar  to  see  how  he  grows  his  expensive  flowerhorns.
 
 What  is  the  address  of  shop  in  ashokwan  and  in  jogeshwari,any  other  shops  you  know  about,it  would  be  good  if  you  would  enter  it  in  the  local  fish  shops  section  in  the  contents  area.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

                                                   
beans  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hey  theash,
 
 Theoretically  you  can  keep  1cm  fish  in  1litre  of  water.Then  you  can  safely  grow  your  fish  to  only  7cm  in  the  tank.
       
                 

 
 Not  picking  on  you,  Beans,  but  its  one  inch  of  fish  in  one  gallon  of  water.  And  this  doesn't  apply  to  the  wide  bodied,  ever  hungry,  constantly  pooping  Cichlid  lot.
 
 @Ash
 A  FH  will  survive  and  possibly  grow  quite  decently  in  a   small  tank  provided  the  water  is  kept  pretty  clean.  For  a  tank  as  small  as  yours,  anything  but  the  smallest  power  filters  will  create  too  much  water  flow  and  there  won't  be  any  dead  spots  for  the  fish  to  rest  in  at  night.  Stick  to  a  sponge/corner  filter.
 This  also  means  that  you'll  have  to  keep  on  top  of  your  water  changes  more  often.
 Siphon  off  any  poo  as  soon  as  you  can  and  top  up  the  water  with  fresh  water.
   
 I  know  you  are  upgrading  the  tank  but  I'll  say  it  too.  Go  in  for  a  36"*18"*18"  tank.  You  can  keep  a  fully  grown  FH  in  this  indefinitely  or   if  you  change  your  mind  later,  that  size  of  tank  is  good  for  anything  else  you  want  to  keep,  including  cichlids,  a  planted  tank  or  a  marine  tank.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 Thanks  psimhan  for  specifying  exact  tank  size.  Everyone  was  saying  bigger  but  not  mentioning  size.   As  said  earlier  I  will  upgrade  to  bigger  size  in  3-4  months.  Why  I  am  waiting  is  that  I  want  to  check  whether  I  am  really  serious  about  this  hobby  as  it  should  not  happen  my  interest  dies  in  2-3  weeks.  Meanwhile  I  will  try  to  keep  water  as  clean  as  possible.
 Beans,
 Shops  in  AshokVan  are  not  really  worth  visiting  unless  for  worms.  Jogeshwari  one  was  better  at  leat  in  terms  of  equipment,  Acrylic  tank  tops.  Its  on  WE  highway.  From  Andheri  to  Goregaon  inbetween  there  is  a  flyover  to  bypass  Jogeshwari  Vikhroli  link  road.  You  have  to  travel  parallel  to  flyover  on  left  side.  Its  5  mins  walk  after  you  pass  Jogeshwari  Vikhroli  junction.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hey  theash,
 
 Theoretically  you  can  keep  1cm  fish  in  1litre  of  water.Then  you  can  safely  grow  your  fish  to  only  7cm  in  the  tank.
   Â   Â 
                 

 
 Not  picking  on  you,  Beans,  but  its  one  inch  of  fish  in  one  gallon  of  water.  And  this  doesn't  apply  to  the  wide  bodied,  ever  hungry,  constantly  pooping  Cichlid  lot.
 
 @Ash
 A  FH  will  survive  and  possibly  grow  quite  decently  in  a  Â small  tank  provided  the  water  is  kept  pretty  clean.  For  a  tank  as  small  as  yours,  anything  but  the  smallest  power  filters  will  create  too  much  water  flow  and  there  won't  be  any  dead  spots  for  the  fish  to  rest  in  at  night.  Stick  to  a  sponge/corner  filter.
 This  also  means  that  you'll  have  to  keep  on  top  of  your  water  changes  more  often.
 Siphon  off  any  poo  as  soon  as  you  can  and  top  up  the  water  with  fresh  water.
   
 I  know  you  are  upgrading  the  tank  but  I'll  say  it  too.  Go  in  for  a  36"*18"*18"  tank.  You  can  keep  a  fully  grown  FH  in  this  indefinitely  or  Â if  you  change  your  mind  later,  that  size  of  tank  is  good  for  anything  else  you  want  to  keep,  including  cichlids,  a  planted  tank  or  a  marine  tank.                

 
 
 
 Hey  psimhan,
 
                     Great  to  know  there  is  atleast  1  soul  in  iah  who  atleast  thinks  a  chiclid  can  grow  well  in  a  small  tank.
 
 By  IAH  or  possibly  the  ideal  standards  I  have  achieved  the  impossible  with  my  'Tiny'  2  feet  tank.
 I  am  a  cichlid  lover  so  you  can  guess  what  I  mean.
 
 I  would  have  loved  to  share  my  experience  on  IAH  but  from  my  first  posting  on  IAH  I  discovered  that  what  I  say  would  be  considered  absolute  blasphemy,
 so  I   exercise  caution  .
 
 
 If  you  consider  1  gallon  =3.78  litre   (ie  US  gallon)
 Then  it  will  calculate  to  approx  1cm(1.5cm)  fish  for  1  litre
 If  you  consider  1  gallon  =4.5  litre  (ie  imperial  gallon)
 Then  it  will  calculate  to  1.8  cm  for  1  litre.
 
 You  are  right  that  it  is  said  this  applies  for  only  small  slender  bodied  fishes  like  guppies  .
 
 
 
 A  power  filter  is  very  helpful.It  effectively  gives  the  water  a  nice  polish  and  removes  all  the  tiny  debris  that  is  a  real  sore  eyes  in  a  tank.Maintainence  becomes   less  frequent  and  very  easy  as  you  dont  have  to  bother  about  siphoning  the  elusive  fine  debris.
 
 As  you  have  said  water  turbulence  can  be  a   problem  ,thats  why  I  suggested  a  filter  with  a  spray  bar.
 
 Another  option  is  to  use  the  power  filter  as  a  purely  mechanical  filter  for  clearing  the  debris  by  keeping  it  on  for  a  few  hours  a  day  and  for  air  and  biological  filtration  depend  on  the  sponge  filter.
 
 And  Theash,  
                  I  checked  up  with  flowerhorn  and  blackghost  breeder  K.C.  Lai  in  borivli  and  he  also  said  that  IDEAL  tank  size  for  one  FULLSIZE  flowerhorn  is  36"  by  18"  by  18"  .And  dont  worry  about  stunting  the  growth  of  your  flowerhorn.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Need guidance for a good filter Reply with quote

 I  have  no  problems  with  putting  small  fish  in  a  small  tank.
 Its  easier  to  do  water  changes  on  smaller  tanks.  Cost  is  lower  for  setting  up  such  a  tank.Hardy  fish  such  as  FHs  have  no  problems  with  temperature  fluctuations.
 
 Provided  the  water  is  good,  maintenance  is  regular  and  the  tank  isn't  overcrowded,  the  fish  won't  have  too  many  problems  until  it  outgrows  the  tank.
 
 Then  you  have  problems   Very Happy,  unless  you  have  a  larger  tank  to  move  the  fish  into.  And  when  a  hobbyist  can  only  have  one  or  two  tanks,  ideally  he  should  get  the  size  which  will  fit  his  full  sized  fish.
 
 In  this  case  though,  for  a  tank  this  small,  we  are  talking  daily  partial  water  changes,  daily  siphoning,  and  at  the  most,  Ash,   you  have  around  2  months  or  3  months  at  the  very  maximum  before  the  fish  outgrows  the  tank  assuming  an  inch  of  growth  a  month.
 Also  get  rid  of  the  rocks  in  the  tank  as  you  want  to  maximize  water  volume  in  the  tank.  The  more  water  there  is,  the  better  for  in  this  situation.
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