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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Take  out  moss  if  you  can.
 Neons  are  also  senstive.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 You  can  probably  remove  all  your  fish  if  you  can.  If  the  moss  is  not  much  (quantity  wise)  and  if  it  is  easily  available,  I  would  probably  suggest  using  GD  with  the  moss  itself.
 
 The  snails  may  have  laid  eggs  on  the  moss  which  will  again  bring  them  back.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

                                                   
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The  snails  may  have  laid  eggs  on  the  moss  which  will  again  bring  them  back.                

 this  is  getting  more  interesting  now........
 is  it  possible  to  destroy  snail  eggs  also  with  GD?  -  Sandeep  what  is  your  input  on  that?
 I  mean  you  are  probably  the  first  candidate  to  claim  success  at  eliminating  snails  with  GD  on  IAH  so  may  be  you  can  throw  some  light  on  this??
 If  not  than  we  have  to  probably  keep  the  tank  dosed  till  the  snails  hatch  out  or  probably  administer  a  booster  dose  can  this  stress  fish/hardy  plants??
 One  more  thing  you  seem  to  have  mentioned  that  your  angel  which  probably  suffered  from  a  bacterial  infection  (cloudy  eye)  is  now  better..............can  Raghu/Deepesh  (I  am  naming  you  guys  because  Deepesh  has  a  strong  medical  background  and  Raghu  is  very  good  at  chemistry   Smile  )  help  us  understand  the  phenomenon  in  a  better  way?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Vinay,
   Your  dosgae  in  one  shot  seems  too  high  to  me.   I  would  gradually  bring  up  the  praportion  to  5ml  in  a  matter  of  3  -  5days  .   
 
 A  5ml  to  a  70G  would  account  for  150PPM.  This  With  a  complete  black  out  senario,  Do  not  use  Co2  for  these  days  and  also  keep  a  heavy  aeriation.  
 On  the  first  sight  of  fishes  gasping  for  air  do  water  changes.   These  should  get  rid  of  snails.
 
 Nauzer,
   GD  to  my  knowledge  in  limited  quantities  has  no  effect  on  fish  eggs.  Not  sure  if  its  true  for  invertibrates  too.  To  be  safe  we  can  hold  GD  conc  in  a  tank  for  a  cycle  of  a  snail  eggs  and  eradicate  snails  in  our  tanks.  
 
 It  can  be  noted  that  GD  thrives  Anubia's,  And  Rhizome  plants.  Does  not  have  effect  on  Aponogeton,  Many  varities  of  crypts.
 
 Also  if  the  tank  has  heavy  aeriation  then  i  feel  fishes  should  also  not  get  stressed.  The  ones  that  i  have  been  experimented  safely  are  Rainbows  /  Tetra's  (Serpe  phantom  congo  rummynose  Hockey  bleeding  heart).
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Thanx  Raghu...Will  do  the  same  and  keep  this  thread  updated   Smile  
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 I  don't  think  that  snail  eggs  are  killed.  They  are  inside  the  protective  shells  and  glue  might  not  be  able  to  affect  them.
 This  is  more  so  because  I  am  seeing  baby  snails  now,  I  don't  have  the  heart  to  dose  again,  if  the  eggs  were  destroyed  i  would  not  have  seen  the  snails.
 
 The  fungal  infection  on  angel  might  have  healed  on  its  own,  but  it  is  well  known  that  glu  is  used  for  disinfectiong  agent,  and  it  might  be  responsible  for  clearing  fungus  infection.
 APC  has  a  good  collection  of  glu  threads,  they  have  mentioned  its  effect  on  algae  and  on  snails  also  but  no  where  there  has  reported  its  use  as  snail  killer.
 Also  I  have  not  seen  a  thread  where  glue  is  discussed  as  anti  fungul  ot  anti  bacterial,  but  the  posibiltes  are  there.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Hi
 I  doubt  glutaraldehye  on  its  own  can  cause  much  damage  to  snail  eggs  ...  however  you  may  want  to  activate  it  with  Potassium  Nitrite  ...  which  then  increases  the  glutaraldehyde  potency  to  deal  with  microbes  and  possibly  snail  eggs.  etc.
 
 And  to  even  further  this,  you  may  like  to  create  a  hypertonic  solution  (in  the  tank)  that  would  force  the  glut.  into  the  snails  via  their  shells  and  protection  by  osmosis.
 
 That  bit  is  theoretical  though  ..  although  not  improbable.  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Me  long  time  no  post!
 
 Anyway  glutaraldehyde  might  very  well  have  helped  the  angel  to  heal.  Cloudy  eyes  are  as  likely  to  be  bacterial  as  they  are  to  be  fungal.  Glutaraldehyde  will  kill  both.
 
 I  dont  understand  -  why  should  snail  eggs  bother  you  if  glutaraldehyde  kills  hatched  snails?  This  is  how  I  would  go  about  if  I  were  to  use  Glutaraldehyde...  Day  one  -  nuke  the  tank  as  prescribed.  Pick  off  dead  snails.  Dont  worry  about  the  eggs  hiding  all  over  the  place.  Keep  an  eye  on  the  tank  -  and  a  close  search  everyday.  When  you  see  the  first  baby  snail  do  nothing.
 
 When  you  see  the  nth  baby  snail  nuke  the  tank  again.  Repeat  until  clear  of  baby  snails.
 
 Deepesh
 
 Like  I  said  using  glutaraldehyde  is  like  using  a  nuke  -  very  effective  but  a  bit  of  an  overkill.  Planted  nuts  are  nuts  but  please  dont  give  these  tips  to  the  lesser  mortals  keeping  average  tanks.  Their  ammonia  might  get  a  bit  out  of  hand.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Cidex  -  2.5%  medical  grade  glutaraldehyde  -  Rs  750  for  a  can  of  5  liters.  Dont  use  the  activator  please!  
 
 Laboratory  supplies  stores  should  be  able  to  sell  this  much  cheaper  but  Cidex  is  there  everywhere  nowadays.  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Hi  Deepesh,
   I  have  been  using  Cidex  -2.5%....  But  what  is  activator????
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Cidex  comes  with  an  activator  solution  -  for  medical  uses  it  has  to  be  activated  first  since  it  is  most  active  at  a  pH  slightly  on  the  alkaline  side.  As  far  as  I  know  it  contains  mainly  soda  bicarb  with  an  indicator  that  turns  it  fluorescent  green.  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Hey  Guys!
 Sorry  to  dig  this  out  after  so  late  but,  I  promised  a  feedback  so  here  I  am!
 I  acquired  a  bottle  of  GD  which  you  can  see  in  the  picture  below  and  it  costed  me  Rs.  700/-  for  a  500ml  bottle  the  manufacturer  is  MERCK.  (I  am  mentionening  the  rate  here  because  I  want  to  know  if  I  was  ripped?)
 Now,
 I  was  so  God  damn  sick  and  tired  of  the  snails  that  I  netted  out  all  the  fish  (I  did  not  want  to  experiment  with  them)  I  also  had  some  shrimps  in  the  tank  so  took  out  all  the  shrimps  and  left  behind  the  driftwood  pieces  along  with  some  plants  and  moss.
 50-75  ml  approx.  (with  nothing  live  except  for  some  inexpensive  plants  and  a  bunch  of  moss  -  who  would  care  to  measure  the  dose)  of  GD  mixed  to  1  ltr.  of  water  was  administered  to  the  tank  a  18"X18"X18"  cube  I  could  instantly  spot  the  snails  becomming  restless  and  also  remember  that  this  was  an  established  tank  so  I  was  expecting  a  bloom  the  next  day  (dead  bio-bacteria)  but,  the  tank  water  was  as  clear  as  ever  and  no  signs  of  stress  to  plants  -  the  snails  were  not  to  be  seen  anywhere  so  I  took  out  every  thing  in  a  tub  of  water  and  emptied  the  tank's  gravel  for  washing  off  the  dead  snail  shells,  when  I  emptied  the  tank  I  was  shocked  to  see  something  darting  across  in  the  water  (now  almost  an  inch  of  water)  and  could  find  a  amano  shrimp  which  had  not  at  all  been  affected  by  the  GD  dosing  where  as  the  snails  were  all  dead.  (Madan  was  right  about  the  shrimps!)
 Another  thing  I  noticed  was  that  the  beard  algae  was  almost  dead  (had  become  brown  and  was  falling  apart)  all  other  algae  encrusted  surfaces  could  be  wiped  clean  easily.  I  could  take  out  about  half  of  a  tea  mug  full  of  snails.   Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Buddy,
   I  suppose  you  were  indeed  ripped  off  the  price  at  which  you  bought  the  bottle.....  
 
    At  least  i  have  not  experimented  too  much  on  shrimps  so  i  have  no  absolute  info  on  them.  I  do  not  dare  to  try  them  on  my  CRS  and  CBS's.
 
 Your  dosgae  concentarion  i  suppose  was  like  using  a  Nuclear  Bomb  on  a  Bikini  island.
 
    The  key  to  eradicate  snail  neusance  is  by  dosing  a  conc  of  150-180  PPM  when  lights  go  off,  even  in  a  densly  planted  tank.
 
    I  have  used  it  to  a  great  effect  and  i  do  not  see  snails  after  i  dose  GD.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  acquired  a  bottle  of  GD  which  you  can  see  in  the  picture  below  and  it  costed  me  Rs.  700/-                

 
 
                                                 
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I  suppose  you  were  indeed  ripped  off  the  price  at  which  you  bought  the  bottle.....                  

 I  believe  all  packed  items,  in  India,  have  a  price  tag  with  sales  tax  as  per  the  Indian  Consumer  Law.   
 
 Was  this  GD  brought  through  under  the  table  deal?  Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Glutaraldehyde as snail killer Reply with quote

 Tony  I  had  little  choice  because  I  could  find  only  one  dealer  who  was  ready  to  get  it  for  me   Sad  
 No  there  is  no  price  tag  on  the  bottle  and  since  this  item  was  on  order  I  had  to  buy  it.
 Anyways,  I  will  source  it  from  someone  else  next  time.
 
                                                 
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Your  dosgae  concentarion  i  suppose  was  like  using  a  Nuclear  Bomb  on  a  Bikini  island.                  

   ROFL  
 Indeed!  I  had  nothing  to  loose  and  besides  I  wanted  to  ridd  the  tank  of  the  algae  and  the  snails  at  the  same  time  so  thought  of  experimenting  with  a  higher  dosage.  My  tank  looks  sparkling  clean  as  of  now!
 WRT  the  shrimp  well,  that  was  an  accident  and  nothing  personal  against  the  little  fellow  but,  he  survived  and  is  healthy  so  the  bikini  beach  was  not  at  all  affected  by  the  nuclear  explosion.
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