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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  am  not  sure  in  which  section  to  place  this  thread.  Anyway,  here  we  go.
 
 Actually,  we  are  four  friends  in  that  local  fishkeeping  club  (if  u  can  call  four  persons  a  club).  We've  been  thinking  of  starting  saltwater  tanks.  Two  of  us  already  have.  These  are  FOWLR  tanks  to  start  with.
 
 An  idea  that  we  have  been  thinking  upon  is  the  DIY  marine  salt.  We  have  made  salt  mixes  for  Mbuna  tanks  and  have  been  able  to  keep  the  pH  pretty  stable,  at  8.1~8.2.  The  requirements  for  a  saltwater  tank  are  pretty  similar  in  terms  of   pH,  KH  and  GH.  The  other  thing  we  have  to  consider  is  salinity.  Can  rock  salt  (without  any  additives)  be  used  for  the  purpose?
 
 I  know  there  wont  be  any  trace  elements  in  that.  But  i  know  ppl  who  dont  change  water  in  their  tanks  at  all.  All  they  do  is  to  add  trace  element  suppliments  regularly.  As  for  nitrates,  I  dont  know  how  they  manage  them   Same  can  be  done  if  we  start  adding  those  suppliments  from  the  day  one!
 
 I  was  just  thinking  about  the  feasiblility  of  this  DIY  project.  Do  u  think  it  would  work?  I'm  pretty  confident  but  since  i  have  no  experience  with  saltwater,  i  thought  I  should  consult  the  experienced  ones  first.  The  aquarium  salt  prices  in  our  area  have  triggered  this  idea  and  I'm  sure  someone  over  here  would  already  have  given  it  a  thougt.  In  fact,  i'm  quite  a  fan  of  DIY  skills  of  persons  on  this  forums,  since  I've  read  about  glutaraldehyde.  
 
 Please  provide  your  expert  opinion,  even  if  the  whole  idea  sounds  stupid   Thanks  in  advance.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 I  feel  rock  salt  straight  from  the  salt  pans  can  be  used.  I  got  a  few  kgs  of  the  salt,  but  the  guys  were  not  even  interested  in  trying  out.  After  all  seawater  is  let  into  these  salt  pans  and  evaporated.  So  mixing  the  salt  with  water  should  not  create  a  problem  IMO.
 
 You  could  get  the  salt,  mix  it  up  and  try  with  a  damsel  for  a  while  and  let  us  know.
 Since  I  am  not  into  marine  tanks  I  have  no  way  of  doing  this.
 
 I  guess  for  starters  1  kg  of  salt  to  33  liters  of  water  could  be  tried.
 It  just  might  work.  This  salt  is  about  50  bucks  for  a  50  kilo  bag.  Impurities  etc.,  may  be  around  and  you'll  have  to  wait  for  them  to  settle  out  and  decant  the  saltwater.  Worth  a  try.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 hi  Mughal
 
 A  good  topic!  I  hv  been  using  the  rock  salt  for  marine  aquariums  since  last  2  years.In  fact  i  started  with  this  salt  only.I  make  salt  water  with  sea  (Rock)salt   and  mix  it  with  sea  water  (50:50)  and  use  it  for  all  my  marine  requirements.Density  usually  is  1.022-1.023  and  Ph  8.2.
 The   rock  salt  cotains  lots  of  impurities.  I  areate  this  water   for  a  day   and  leave  it  for  another  and  the  supernated  water  is  used.  
 i  hv  no  poblems  with  my  fish.  even  the  green  carpet  anemone  (  a  latest  addtion)is  doing  fine.
 u  can  certainly  try  this.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 can  you  tell  me  what  exactly  a  rock  salt  is?and  where  we  can  provide  it?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 Hi
 Rock  salt  is  nothing  but  salt  abtained  on  evoparation  of   sea  water  naturally  and  in  its  original  form.  you  get  it  anywher  you  have  salt  pans  or  smalltime  kirana  shops.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 Hi  Nandu,
 I  am  very  intrested  in  this  topic.  
 
 1-  Have  you  tested  for  nitrates  or  phosphates  in  the  water  made  from  rock  salt?
 This  is  a  concern  because  the  water  used  to  make  rock  salt  is  taken  close  to  the  shore  line  where  water  supposed  to  have  a  lot  of  impurities.
 
 2-  What  kind  of  impurities  do  you  get  when  you  use  rock  salt  to  make  water?  (organic)
 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

                                                   
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 This  is  a  concern  because  the  water  used  to  make  rock  salt  is  taken  close  to  the  shore  line  where  water  supposed  to  have  a  lot  of  impurities.                  

 
 That  is  true..anyway  we  have  lot  of  salt  pans  over  here,  i'll  give  it  a  try  if  it  is  actually  50/-  for  50kgs  bag,  maybe  it  might  work  for  a  fowlr  tank?
 
 The  impurities  mostly  comprise  of  particulate  matter  +  cloudy  or  dirty  water.  (probably  dust\debris??)
 
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 According  to  what  i  read,  salt  water  is  let  into  the  salt  pans  and  allowed  to  dry  under  the  sun.
 salt  crystallizes  ,  white  salt  crystalizes  on  the  top  leaving  brownish  salt  in  the  lower  layers.
 The  uper  layer  is  removed  and  sold,  This  is  the  main  problem  since  the  trace  elements  are  left  behind.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 Hi  Rahul
 
 During  the  process  of  evaporation/drying  lot  of  flyoff  dust  gets  in.
 As  Amod  mentioned  the  impurities  are  mostly  particulte  matter,  which  makes  water  cloudy,  but  overnight,  it  settles  and  the  decanted  water  is  clear.The  other  contamination  is  the  sea  sand,  which  anyway  settles  down.
 I  hv  noticed  two  types  of  rock  salt,  whitish  and  little  yellowish,which  could  be  due  to  the  ground  coditions,may  be  the  top  layer  in  the  pans  are  whitish.Anyway   whiter  the  better,,
 i  do  check  for  nitrates  its  alwasy  0  ,though  i  didnt  test  for  Phos.
 
 Chekt  it  out,  It's  working  for  me.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 does  any  one  have  info  on  how  synthetic  salt  is  made(example  :  red  sea,  instant  ocean  ect)?
 
 read  that  no  lab  can  re-create  sea  salt  given  the  80  or  so  chemicals  that  sea  salt  contains.  hence  the  question.
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 There  have  been  a  couple  of  studies  on  the  composition  of  sea  salt,  and  a  coupe  of  comparative  studies  on  marine  salt  composition.  Let  me  see  if  I  can  find  them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 Hi  Guys,
 
 Im  encouraged  to  see  that  the  idea  has  gathered  quite  some  interest.  Thanks  for  all  the  responses.
 As  far  as  I  know,  crytalization  is  the  process  used  to  extract  NaCl  from  sea  water.  When  u  have  a  concentrated  solution  of  NaCl,  introduction  of  a  single  crystal  (termed  as  seed)  would  initiate  crystalization.  Everything  else,  including  all  those  trace  elements,  would  be  simply  drained  out.
 We  will  definitely  need  some  buffers  to  maintain  pH,  GH  and  KH.  I  have  a  recipe  that  I  used  successfully  for  rift  lake  cichlids.  I  think  that  can  be  modified  accordingly.  I'll  try  to  dig  out  the  exact  repice  and  post  it  here.  But  I'm  sure  those  chemicals  are  pretty  cheap.
 I'm  going  to  get  all  the  things  this  saturday  and  will  most  probably  setup  a  small  tank  too.  Will  update  but  keep  those  ideas  coming!
 
 Thank  you  very  much.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility of DIY marine salt Reply with quote

 MUGHAL
      u  got  to  wait.  there  are  few  more(  to  me  one  more)  i  .e.  aquascape.dont  know  whether  he  as  seen  this  thread  or  out  of  station  .  any  way  got  to  wait  for  his  guidness.damn  sure  he  must  have  put  his  hand  before   Thumb Up
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 I  know  some  people  in  Calcutta  who  makes  his  own  salt  mix.  Thumb Up   But  unfortunately  they  are  not  helpful,  They  simply  ignored  me,  whenever  I  asked  them  about  this.  Sad
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 Guys,
 
 Even  I  am  also  working  on  this.  Hopefully  I  will  also  make  my  own  Marine  Salt  very  soon.  Very Happy
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