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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 I  had  a  flowerhorn  for  almost  2  yrs,  which  had  excellent  colors.  It  was  raised  mainly  on  natural  food  and  Cichlid  pellets.  
 Since  I  have  started  with  another  baby  FH  this  time,  I  have  been  researching  about  the  Flowerhorn  speciality  foods.  Naturally  the  biggest  brands  that  came  to  my  attention  were  Ocean  Free  (Humpy  Head/Ever  Red  products)  and  Chingmix  (SP  50  Headbooster)  Humpy  Head  enjoys  great  popularity  in  India  and  overseas.  The  results  r  great  too.  Even  2-3"  FH  have  all  dazzling  colors  of  an  adult  one.  This  is  what  made  me  think  about.
 Flowerhorn  Cichlids  are  a  cross  breed  between  various  central  american  cichlids.  As  far  as  I  know,  generally,  the  juveniles  of  these  parent  species  are  not  sooo  bright  in  color.  They  r  usually  pale  so  that  they  can  hide  from  predators.  Then  how  can  be  these  FH  be  so  colorful  (and  with  occasional  kok)  at  such  a  young  age?  Is  it  the  effect  of  some  hormones  fed  to  them  thru  these  speciality  products?  If  so,  is  it  right  to  do  so?  Chingmix  products  claim  to  be  hormone-free.  But  what  about  the  most  famous  brand  -  Humpyhead?
 Waiting  to  hear  from  all  experts  in  IAH.  
 
 Thanks  in  advance,
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 Dont  know  about  Chingmix  but  Humpy  Head  are  100%  hormone  free  feeds.  It  contains  high  content  of  Krill,  Spirulina,  Astaxanthin,  Vitamins  etc.
 
 Astaxanthin  is  well  known  for  enhancing  the  RED  color.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 i  am  by  no  means  an  expert  on  fhs  but  i  have  heard  that  hormone  based  feed  is  almost  necessary  for  a  flowerhorn  to  have  a  good  colour.  however  sometimes  these  flowerhorns  just  are  not  colourful.  try  and  find  an  adult  of  the  same  strain  and  see  how  vibrant  the  colours  are.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 In  fact,  I  ve  seen  "HORMONE  FREE"  label  on  Chingmix  but  not  on  HumpyHead  Smile  I  know  they  can  print  whtever  they  want.
 But  my  point  is  -  how  come  these  1-2"  FH  have  full  coloration  and  kok  too?
 Even  the  best  of  the  Red  devils,  Midas  babies  dont  have  such  kok.  Even  the  best  of  Trimac  babies  dont  have  such  colors.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

                                                   
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But  my  point  is  -  how  come  these  1-2"  FH  have  full  coloration  and  kok  too?  
 Even  the  best  of  the  Red  devils,  Midas  babies  dont  have  such  kok.  Even  the  best  of  Trimac  babies  dont  have  such  colors.                

 They  keep  experimenting  in  cross  breeding  with  diffrent  species.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 Dude,  but  some  of  the  parent  species  should  have  kok  at  2"  so  that  the  property  is  inherited  in  crossbreed.  Smile  But  none  of  the  cichlids  have  kok  at  2",  unless...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 They  have  much  better  idea,  knowledge,  setup  &  infrastucture  and  more  of  these  they  do  have  patience,  enough  time  &  100%  confidence  for  keep  experimenting  on  cross  breedng.  There  might  be  any  special  formula  they  are  using  to  devlop  the  hump  but  who  knows  the  truth  over  here....  Do  you!  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 &  Now  days  Flower  Horn  are  having  bigger  &  better  hump  than  any  Humpy  Cichlids.  So  may  be  no  need  to  experiment  with  other  species.  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

                                                   
DJ_Rocky  wrote  (View  Post):                
They  have  much  better  idea,  knowledge,  setup  &  infrastucture  and  more  of  these  they  do  have  patience,  enough  time  &  100%  confidence  for  keep  experimenting  on  cross  breedng.  There  might  be  any  special  formula  they  are  using  to  devlop  the  hump  but  who  knows  the  truth  over  here....  Do  you!  Very Happy                

 By  experimenting,  do  u  mean  feeding  "Hormones"?  Smile
 because  I  have  even  seen  desi  FH  with  awesome  kok  when  fed  with  HumpyHead  since  childhood.  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

                                                   
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By  experimenting,  do  u  mean  feeding  "Hormones"?                  
Dont  know  exactly.
 
 
                                                 
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because  I  have  even  seen  desi  FH  with  awesome  kok  when  fed  with  HumpyHead  since  childhood.                   
Its  true...  The  result  are  always  good  if  you  are  feeding  the  best  quality  food  to  any  desi  FH  from  child  hood  age.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 OK  Smile  Thanks  for  the  info.
 
 Is  this  true  that  feeding  hormones  reduces  lifespan  and  fertility?
 I  have  a  breeder  friend  from  US,  who  claims  that  SE  Asian  breeders  have  experimented  a  lot  to  create  a  formula  that  enhances  colors  and  reduces  fertility  of  the  FH.  Sad  This  is  mainly  because  they  dont  wanna  let  out  their  business  secret.
 Dont  want  to  spread  rumours  Smile  but  wanted  to  hear  from  fellow  FH  experts.
 One  point  to  ponder-
 We  Indians  are  also  crazy  about  "Imported"  FH  because  of  their  dazzling  colors  and  koks  at  young  age.  And  same  colors  and  koks  are  difficult  to  get  in  Desi  FH.  Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 Whatever  you  said  is  100%  right.  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 Flower  horn  breeders  in  south  east  asia  are  producing  new  strain  in  every  day  to  keep  in  bussiness.  Even  they  are  trying  to  infuse  GM  technology  which  is  against  the  mother  nature.Keeping  Flowerhornt  is  no  more  a  fad  now,  as  it  was  in  2003.  All  over  the  world  cichlid  lovers  are  going  after  the  naturally  breeds  and  even  the  people  hates  to  talk  about  the  man  made  monster.  Im  not  discouraging  the  Flowerhorn  lovers  but  the  truth  is  many  of  them  are  now  finding  their  precious  pets  a  liabilty  which  they  can  not  simply  shake  off.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 Girish,
 
 If  you  have  access  to  ChingMix,  go  for  it!  Its  the  best  food  you  can  get  for  your  FH!  Try  to  get  Maxima  and  HeadBooster,  and  feed  both  in  equal  quantities.  Whatever  amount  of  feed  you  give,  in  one  day,  give  half  Maxima,  and  half  HeadBooster.  Or  you  could  also  mix  both,  and  store  in  an  airtight  container,  and  feed.
 
 See,  in  Flowerhorns,  if  you  want  to  keep  a  really  good  FH,  the  main  thing  is  the  genes.  You  CANNOT  make  a  lousy  FH  look  great  by  feeding  him  ChingMix,  though  you  could  make  him  look  better,  relatively.  So,  you  would  need  to  start  with  a  good  flowerhorn,  with  great  potential,  and  feed  ChingMix.
 
 Personally  I  dont  feel  that  Humpy  is  a  great  food.  I  would  recommend  you  make  sure  your  fish  is  healthy,  free  of  worms,  and  feed  some  TetraBits  too,  once  in  a  while!  Make  sure  you  deworm,  once  in  a  while,  to  have  your  fish  healthy,  active,  and  eating  well!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Humpy head for Flowerhorn... Reply with quote

 As  Kaushik  had  mentioned  FH  fad  is  on  the  way  out  now.  But  still  people  do  prefer  to  keep  it.  I  also  have  one  in  one  of  the  several  tanks.  If  you  think  Humpy  Head  would  make  any  difference  it  is  not  so.  I  don't  know  about  Chingmix  as  I  could  not  get  it  anywhere  even  in  Malayasia.  The  Hump  and  color  all  depends  on  a  good  strain.  Most  of  the  baby  FH's  with  good  colors  you  see  at  LFS  are  dyed  ones.  Once  you  buy  it  you  will  find  out  how  quickly  they  lose  the  color  and  when  you  try  to  give  it  back  to  the  LFS  they  would  say  that  the  problemt  might  be  with  the  water  that  we  use.  So  don't  go  by  what  you  see  at  a  LFS.
 
 You  can  also  feed  the  FH's  with  small  prawns  (processed  one).  They  bring  out  the  coloring.  One  problem  with  FH's  is  once  it  grows  up  and  if  you  find  it  not  grown  up  to  your  expectation  (I  mean  the  hump  and  color)  you  cannot  even  exchange  or  give  it  to  a  LFS  as  no  one  would  touch  it.  Interestingly  I  found  a  school  of  FH's  in  a  temple  pond  down  south  of  Tamil  Nadu.
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