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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: Changing substrate Reply with quote

 I  have  a  35  gallon  fully  cycled  planted  tank  with  Moonbeam  gouramis,  neon  tetras,  cories,  blue  rams  and  a  pleco.  All  are  doing  great!    Very Happy    
 
 This  tank  has  a  black  substrate.  Since  it  is  not  as  compact  as  sand,  my  fish  tend  to  pull  out  all  the  plants.  Each  morning,  I  am  greeted  with  a  ravaged  tank.  All  the  plants  are  hauled  out!!!  Inevitably,  I  have  to  replant  EVERYDAY!!!    Rolling Eyes  
 
 At  this  rate,  I  may  not  have  any  plants  left,  'because  every  time  I  replant,  a  stem  breaks  off  or  a  leaf  pops  out.
 
 So,  I  would  like  to  use  sand  instead  (not  fine  sand..  coarse  sand).  How  do  I  go  about  changing  the  gravel?  I  could  use  the  same  water.  My  filter  is  well-seeded  and  colonized  with  bacteria,  I  also  have  extra  filter  fiber  in  the  filter.  
 
 What  do  I  do?  Where  do  you  think  I  should  get  my  sand  from?  I'm  in  Bangalore.
 
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Dolphy  wrote:                
I  have  a  35  gallon  fully  cycled  planted  tank  with  Moonbeam  gouramis,  neon  tetras,  cories,  blue  rams  and  a  pleco.  All  are  doing  great!    Very Happy    
 
 This  tank  has  a  black  substrate.  Since  it  is  not  as  compact  as  sand,  my  fish  tend  to  pull  out  all  the  plants.  Each  morning,  I  am  greeted  with  a  ravaged  tank.  All  the  plants  are  hauled  out!!!  Inevitably,  I  have  to  replant  EVERYDAY!!!    Rolling Eyes  
 
 At  this  rate,  I  may  not  have  any  plants  left,  'because  every  time  I  replant,  a  stem  breaks  off  or  a  leaf  pops  out.
 
 So,  I  would  like  to  use  sand  instead  (not  fine  sand..  coarse  sand).  How  do  I  go  about  changing  the  gravel?  I  could  use  the  same  water.  My  filter  is  well-seeded  and  colonized  with  bacteria,  I  also  have  extra  filter  fiber  in  the  filter.  
 
 What  do  I  do?  Where  do  you  think  I  should  get  my  sand  from?  I'm  in  Bangalore.
 
 Jenny                

 
 
 How  big  is  your  pleco?  Try  removing  this  guy  and  your  problem  might  go  away.  Also  the  cories  but  they  seldom  create  problems.
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 Hi,
 
 Madan  is  absolutely  right,  the  pleco  would  be  the  one  doing  the  major  damage,  try  removing  it  first,  if  the  problem  is  solved  good,  else  the  cories  will  have  to  go  too.  
 
 In  case  u  end  up  removing  the  cories,  i  would  love  to  have  them.
 
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 Madan..  my  pleco  is  a  tiny  one...  smaller  than  most  of  the  leaves.  approximately  an  inch  and  a  half.  The  gouramis  are  the  culprits.  The  plants  are  for  them  to  nibble  upon,  but  it  is  distressing  when  they  keep  uprooting  it.
 
 Kuksinhyd...  not  my  cories!!!  Shocked    They  are  the  darlings  of  my  tank.  They  add  so  much  of  life,  and  are  so  adorable.  I  have  3  albinos  and  2  bronze  cories.  I  absolutely  love  them.  
 
 It  is  the  gouramis!!!!  What  do  you  feel  about  the  substrate  exchange?
 
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 Anyways  Dolphy,  if  you  need  sand,  at  ASK  we  have  loads  of  good  River-side  sand...you  can  pick  up  on  Sat/Sun...
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 Hi  Jen,
 
 I  have  a  few  peppered,  a  few  albino's  and  a  few  bronze,  i  can  still  do  with  more  (just  love  them).  
 
 I  don't  think  the  gouramis  will  be  doing  that!!!!!
 
 What  substrate  are  u  using?????
 
 As  far  as  changing  the  substrate  goes,  don't  feel  it's  required,  but  if  you  still  want  to  do  it  then  :
 
 1.  remove  the  plants,  fish  and  preserve  (  same  water  as  the  tank  water),  
 2.  remove  the  top  portion  of  the  substrate  and  preserve,
 3.  remove  the  water  and  preserve,  
 4.  what  is  left  in  the  tank,  dump  it
 5.  add  your  new  (well  washed)  gravel  intersped  with  the  substrate  (preserved  in  step  2),
 6.  add  the  preserved  water,  top  up  if  necessary  (will  surely  be)
 7.  plant  your  plants  in  your  new  gravel  (now  substrate)
 8.  introduce  your  preserved  fish  (watch  the  temp.!!!!)
 9.  AND  Voilaaa  or  dear  fishy  friends  are  happy  again!!!!!
 
 Cheers!!!!
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 Arvind...I  had  black  chips,  and  have  now  switched  over  to  golden  sand.  I  did  as  you  suggested....  In  fact,  I  siphoned  the  tank  water  into  a  bucket  that  was  covered  by  a  cloth,  and  filtered  all  the  suspended  particles.  I  used  the  filtered  water,  and  I  put  the  upper  layer  of  black  chips  into  a  bag  made  of  net,  and  dumped  it  into  the    tank..shall  haul  it  out  after  the  tank  stabilizes.
 
 
                                                 
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I  don't  think  the  gouramis  will  be  doing  that!!!!!                  

 Oh  Yeah!  It  is  the  gouramis..  I  caught  them  red-handed  at  it.  Even  now,  they  are  desperately  trying  to  pull  out  my  Cabomba.  
 
 Nag...will  be  at  Cubbon  Park  on  Sunday  ready  to  buy  out  the  place.  That's  what  I  usually  do  the  moment  I  enter  an  aquarium.    Razz  
 
 Jenny


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 Substrates  for  planted  tanks....  read  up  some  articles  here...  will  help  you  make  a  choice  and  there  have  been  numerous  discussions  in  the  past  they  will  help  too.  I  can  chip  in  with  major  help  after  10th  of  March,  when  I  get  back  to  Bangalore.
 
 From  here  in  Bangkok  it's  costing  me  250  bucks  for  half  an  hour  on  the  net.  Rolling Eyes    Rolling Eyes    Rolling Eyes    Rolling Eyes
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 Madan,
 
 Thanks  a  million.  The  deed  has  been  done,  and  once  you  get  back,  shall  discuss  more  fishy  stuff  with  you..  There's  always  room  for  improvement.
 Jenny    Very Happy
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Oh  Yeah!  It  is  the  gouramis..  I  caught  them  red-handed  at  it.  Even  now,  they  are  desperately  trying  to  pull  out  my  Cabomba.  
 
 Jenny                

 
 Do  you  see  Bubble  nests  in  your  tank?  If  yes  then  it  could  be  your  Gouramis  doing  it  because  they  want  to  creat  a  bit  of  still  water  to  build  it.
 
 Click  here  to  read  more.  I've  had  similar  stuff  happen  in  my  tank  before.
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 Praani,  no  bubble  nests...  they  pull  out  tufts  of  Cabomba  and  spit  it  out.  This  morning,  nothing  was  afloat,  thanks  to  my  change  in  substrate.  After  I  set  up  a  new  post,  I  read  yours  and  did  feel  a  bit  silly.    Oops  Shall  try  some  plantain  leaves  however.  
 
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 Jenny,
 
 I  think  the  problem  lies  in  the  combination  of  the  plant  (cabomba)  and  The  gouramis.  Cabomba  takes  a  lot  time  to  form  roots  and  in  many  cases  does  not  even  form  any  roots.  I  am  not  sure  if  you  can  get  hold  of  lead  weights  in  Bangalore,  but  they  are  the  best  methods  I  have  used  to  root  cabomba.  I  have  had  fish  like  Orange  chromides,  Large  Rainbow  fish,  Large  gold  barbs  etc.  that  love  pulling  plants  and  lead  weight  was  the  only  way  that  worked.  Perhaps  you  should  consider  a  different  plant  tha  can  root  fast  enough  to  prevent  itself  from  comming  out.  If  you  like  the  look  of  the  cabomba,  then  Ambulia  or  Giant  Ambulia  can  server  as  a  replacement  (Limnophilla  aquatica/sessiflora)
 
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 Thanks  a  bunch  Nimmat,
 I  have  shifted  all  my  Cabomba  to  one  of  my  other  tanks.  I  also  stuck  an  almond  leaf  (that's  what  I  think  it  is  Confused  )  on  the  knob  of  my  heater.  My  fish  now  chew  on  it,  play  with  it  and  spare  my  other  plants.  
 
 I  plan  on  growing  aquatic  plants  on  my  terrace,  and  then  bringing  them  down  into  my  main  tanks..  more  like  a  nursery.  I  can  add  all  the  laterite  in  the  world,  and  not  worry  about  appearances.  
 
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 I  plan  on  growing  aquatic  plants  on  my  terrace,  and  then  bringing  them  down  into  my  main  tanks..  more  like  a  nursery.  I  can  add  all  the  laterite  in  the  world,  and  not  worry  about  appearances.  
 
   Smile  
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 And  how  are  you  going  to  maintain  the  humidity?  or  are  you  planning  on  growing  them  submersed  on  your  roof  ?  in  which  case  how  will  you  control  the  algae?  Interesting  project  !
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 Madan    Very Happy  
 
 Was  waiting  for  someone  to  prod  me,  'because  I  have  a  zillion  doubts  myself.  I  have  a  canopy  on  my  terrace.  This  protects  my  project  from  the  intense  and  scorching  sun.  So,  I  plan  to  set  up  this  large  tub,  fill  it  3/4th  with  laterite,  and  the  remaining  water.  And  then  begining  planting.  I  could  also  pump  in  some  Carbon  dioxide  (DIY  contraptions).
 
 Algae...  partial  and  frequent  water  changes,  an  algae-eater  and  1  guppy  to  control  the  mosquito  population?
 
 Think  that'd  work?  But,  it  has  GOT  to  be  the  terrace.  No  more  place  in  my  house,  what  with  all  my  tanks,  bowls,  snail  tubs,  etc...
 
 Jenny
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