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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 helppp
 anyone  knows  how  to  get  a  small  crab  out  of  a  set  tank????
 
 I  just  saw  one  fellow  last  night.
 he  does  not  come  out  in  the  day  as  i  have  NEVER  seen  him.  and  i  spend  far  too  much  time  observing  the  critters  in  the  day.
 
 he  is  around  the  size  of  1/2  inch
 not  any  hermit  crab  am  sure.  he  looks  like  the  typical  crab  with  nice  claws  he  can  use  Shocked  
 
 i  dont  want  to  tear  the  tank  apart  and  dont  want  him  snacking  on  my  fishes  or  inverts.  have  shrooms,  polyps,  cleaner  shrimp,  firefish,  bi-color  blenny
 
 the  clowns  should  keep  the  anemone  safe  and  other  items  are  not  small  so  am  not  worried.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 Tried  the  inverted  bottle  trap?  Although  be  careful  with  the  bait  decomposing.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 ranjith,
 I  guess  if  it  is  not  bothering  anyone  he  deserves  to  survive!!
 Well,  jokes  apart  I  don't  think  the  'lill  fella'  is  of  any  potential  danger  to  your  tank's  inhabitants  at  the  size  you  mention.  However,  keep  a  close  watch  on  his  favourite  hang-out  and  place  a  trap  there  if  you  don't  get  lucky  with  the  trap  wait  a  while  and  when  you  feel  he  is  a  potential  danger  to  your  fish  is  when  it  can  be  taken  off.  By  then  it  will  grow  bigger  and  will  be  easier  to  spot  and  catch.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 thankyou  amodji  and  aquascapes
 
 inverted  bottle  is  kind  of  non  possible  here  as  i  have  put  too  much  rock  in.
 also  who  in  gods  name  knows  his  hangout.
 i  just  spotted  him  there  when  i  was  obsessing  over  my  cup  coral  that  has  gone  into  hibernation  last  nite.
 
 one  day  all  polyps  are  open  n  it  is  growing  new  polyps.  eats  full  belly  of  meat,  and  next  day  it  says  am  not  commin  out.
 
 sometimes  I  wonder  why  i  dint  try  an  easier  hobby  like  blowing  up  planes  Drinking  
 
 anywys,  the  fella  IS  small  right  now  and  i  shud  be  moving  the  stuffs  in  next  2-4  months.  hopefully  he  wont  kill  any  of  my  critters.
 
 actually  maybe  he  killed  my  cleaner.  It  was  a  big  bull  and  one  day  i  found  him  in  a  corner  n  refusing  to  interact.
 
 next  morning,  voila,  "we  have  one  mortality  houston."
 
 thanks  to  both  of  you.  please  close  this  thread  unless  anyone  has  something  else  to  contribute
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 I  too  saw  a  small  crab  in  my  tank  recently,  Actually  a  dead  one.  
 God  know  what  goes  on  in  our  tanks.  The  critters  are  taking  over   ROFL  
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

                                                   
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one  day  all  polyps  are  open  n  it  is  growing  new  polyps.  eats  full  belly  of  meat,  and  next  day  it  says  am  not  commin  out                

 please  provide  proper  id  of  the  cnidarian  or  attach  a  picture  of  it  to  positively  id  it.  It  becomes  difficult  to  diognise  a  problem  by  your  above  observation.
 One  more  thing  you  also  mention  in  another  post  that  your  anemone  is  not  fully  extending  it's  tentacles  right?  Maybe  it  is  time  to  check  your  water?  By  meat  what  do  you  mean  and  how  often  do  you  feed  the  coral?
 
                                                 
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sometimes  I  wonder  why  i  dint  try  an  easier  hobby  like  blowing  up  planes                  

 because  it  is  not  as  constructive  as  reef-keeping!!
 
                                                 
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actually  maybe  he  killed  my  cleaner.                

 I  highly  doubt  it.  Lets  get  the  water  parameters  checked  first.
 
 @Rahul,
 
                                                 
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I  too  saw  a  small  crab  in  my  tank  recently,  Actually  a  dead  one.                

 Now  that  is  something  to  look  into!  Check  if  you  have  a  mantis,  keep  a  watch!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 Hi  Nauzer!
 ....and  what  if  there  is  ,indeed,a  mantis  shrimp?I  know  for  sure  my  'reef'  tank  has  atleast  two  crabs.Very  pretty  purple  color!....which  is  why  I  really  have  nothing  against  them...I  was  happy  to  have  the  cute  things  for  no  money,got  them  complimentary  with  the  rocks.And,one  mantis  shrimp....(one  that  I  know  of....no  idea  how  many  more).Every  batch  of  LR  I  recieved  atleast  3  to  4  mantis  are  always  found  dead/dying  at  the  bottom  of  the  transport  drum.I'm  quite  sure  we  recieve  at  least  one  mantis  shrimp  for  every  8  to  10  pcs  of  LR.How  to  get  rid  of  those,and  why?....and  not  ,in  the  process,  kill  other  goodies  that  come  with  the  LR.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 what  meat  do  i  feed?
 I  feed  small  pieces  of  krill  or  fish  (marine  origin)  2  to  3  times  a  week.
 pieces  are  no  larger  than  tip  of  the  oral  opening  of  each  recipient  polyp.
 
 sometimes  the  chito  shell  is  also  kept  as  it  contains  lots  of  protien.
 
 the  feed  is  thawed  while  being  soaked  in  red  sea  marine  gro  or  some  vitamin  (don  remember  name  right  now)
 
 ID  of  the  coral  is  "Turbinaria  peltata"
 http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=226234&
 Pls  scroll  down  and  a  good  pic  is  posted.
 
 Offcourse  my  specimen  does  not  look  soo  huge  like  the  one  in  the  link
 barely  had  13  polyps  when  i  got  it.
 total  size  is  no  bigger  than  2  inches  in  diameter  and  cream  in  colour.
 the  tips  of  the  polyps  are  floresent  green.
 
 the  anemone  and  the  coral  in  discussion  were  in  the  tank  since  many  months  the  coral  was  in  perfect  condition  while  anemone  declined  over  a  period  of  time.
 
 the  coral  put  on  new  polyps  the  last  time  i  noticed  it  (will  be  2  weeks  after  the  comming  weekend)
 then  one  morning  all  polyps  just  stopped  comming  out.  just  come  till  the  tip  of  the  opening  in  the  shell.
 
 I  did  recent  (1  month  ago)  40%  water  change  also.  will  do  another  this  weekend  if  no  change.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 one  point  i  forgot  to  mention
 i  check  water  params  every  weekend.
 nitrate,  ca,  phospate
 
 nitrates  have  been  steady  at  5  to  7  (reading  color  between  colours  of  5  and  10)
 
 ca  peaked  at  500  (maybe  my  test  kit  is  on  the  blink)
 
 phospate  was  always  undetectable.  I  had  read  that  if  you  have  micro  algae  phospates  might  be  undetectable  even  though  it  is  being  generated  more  than  needed  and  thus  feuling  the  algae.  but  don  have  a  silicate  test  kit  so  trust  it  is  as  the  reading  shows.
 
 still  i  run  a  skimmer  24/7  and  get  skimmate  of  2-3  teacups  weekly.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 Got  a  full  shot  of  your  tank?
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 place  a  tall  glass  with  piece  of  raw  shrimp  resting  along  the  rock  where  it  is  generally  seen.  the  crab  can  get  inside  the  glass  but  can't  climb  out  of  it.  (make  sure  to  place  the  glass  in  such  a  way  that  the  crab  can  get  inside  it  easily  from  its  fav.  rock.
 it  works
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 not  yet
 will  take  a  cpl  of  snaps  this  weekend  and  post.
 
 not  soo  great  a  tank  ya  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Nauzer!
 ....and  what  if  there  is  ,indeed,a  mantis  shrimp?I  know  for  sure  my  'reef'  tank  has  atleast  two  crabs.Very  pretty  purple  color!....which  is  why  I  really  have  nothing  against  them...I  was  happy  to  have  the  cute  things  for  no  money,got  them  complimentary  with  the  rocks.And,one  mantis  shrimp....(one  that  I  know  of....no  idea  how  many  more).Every  batch  of  LR  I  recieved  atleast  3  to  4  mantis  are  always  found  dead/dying  at  the  bottom  of  the  transport  drum.I'm  quite  sure  we  recieve  at  least  one  mantis  shrimp  for  every  8  to  10  pcs  of  LR.How  to  get  rid  of  those,and  why?....and  not  ,in  the  process,  kill  other  goodies  that  come  with  the  LR.                

 Hey  Doc!
 nice  to  see  you  out  of  hibernation!
 yes,  indeed  if  you  know  and  can  positively  identify  the  critter  in  your  tank  you  can  go  ahead  and  keep  it  if  it  does  not  pose  a  threat  to  other  tank  inhabitants!
 The  possible  reason  why  you  have  one  mantis  is  that  stomatopods  (mantis  shrimps)  are  mostly  not  tolerant  of  their  own  kind  and  so  mostly  they  take  advantage  of  attacking  another  lesser  fortunate  stomatopod  during  molting  time  when  they  are  most  vulnerable.
 Actually  stomatopods  vary  from  almost  less  than  inch  to  a  foot  in  size!  If  we  can  positively  identify  (or  atleast  post  a  decent  picture  on  the  forum  for  someone  to  help)  and  if  we  feel  we  don't  have  any  other  critter  or  fish  that  is  vulnerable  to  the  mantis  in  the  tank  -  go  ahead  and  keep  it  but,  let  me  tell  you  one  thing  I  have  lost  a  couple  of  turbos  to  a  small  1.5"  mantis  in  my  tank  and  I  had  to  systematically  strip  the  upper  zone  of  my  rock  work  (lucky  enough  for  me!)  piece  by  piece  to  finally  catch  the  bugger.  I  would  not  urge  everyone  to  strip  their  tanks  and  hunt  it  down  but,  if  you  have  other  vulnerable  critters  in  the  tank  I  would  say  -  it  is  better  to  be  safe  than  sorry!
 @  Ranjith,
 well,  the  turban  coral  that  you  specify  will  extend  it's  polyps  during  the  photoperiod  so  if  it  is  not  extending  its  polyps  I'd  say  yes  there  is  a  problem  with  your  water  or  probably  the  anemone  has  resorted  to  chemical  warfare  (I'd  dare  to  say  this  because  as  you  say  your  tank  is  on  the  smaller  side).  I  would  suggest  a  water  change  would  be  a  welcome  relief.
 
                                                 
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I  feed  small  pieces  of  krill  or  fish  (marine  origin)  2  to  3  times  a  week.  
 pieces  are  no  larger  than  tip  of  the  oral  opening  of  each  recipient  polyp                
 
 why  not  try  shrimp  roe?  But,  I'd  suggest  only  once  a  week.
 From  your  postings  I  read  that  you  are  one  good  self-educated  hobbyist  who  knows  what  he  is  doing  so  keep  up  the  good  work  and  yes,  even  I  am  now  tempted  to  see  your  tank's  picture!
 BTW,  does  your  specimen  look  similar  to  this?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: How to get a crab out of a jam packed reef Reply with quote

 Aquascapes
 yes  that  pic  has  polyps  exactly  same  as  mine.
 however,  mine  are  not  soo  colourfull  Â Surprised  
 nor  soo  plentifull  Â Sad  
 
 mine  is  peachy/cream  colour  and  has  13  polyps.  3-4  new  ones  were  starting  to  grow  and  this  happened.
 
 I  have  given  the  anemone  away.  Will  do  a  water  change  tomorrow  and  see.
 Am  also  seeing  a  bit  of  white  dust  on  1  or  2  palythoa  polyps.  hope  it  is  not  an  infection  or  disease  Â Shocked  
 
 thanks  for  the  complements  all  Give Hug  
 haan  yar.  had  to  read  soo  much  to  get  to  know  1%  Â Sad  
 but  its  a  good  challenge.  btw,  will  be  posting  one  terrific  DIY  plan  for  wavemakers  and  drawing  with  working  video  soon.  Â Cheering  Â Cool  
 
 what  is  shrimp  roe?  have  heard  this  in  WWM  site  also.
 Am  a  pure  veg  guy  so  have  no  clue  to  all  these  axioms  n  names  Â Chuckle  
 each  time  the  local  machiwalis  see  me  they  get  pissed  off  as  i  ask  items  in  very  small  quantity  only  for  2  bucks  n  5  bucks.
 since  it  is  only  for  the  fish  heheh.  and  cant  keep  in  freezer  more  than  1  month.
 
 For  me  to  put  any  pics  first  I  have  to  learn  how  to  click  the  snaps  properly.
 But  will  do  that  soon  Â Smile


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yes  that  pic  has  polyps  exactly  same  as  mine.  
 however,  mine  are  not  soo  colourfull     
 nor  soo  plentifull                

 well,  the  cnidarian  in  question  comes  in  a  variety  of  shapes  and  shades  so  sometimes  the  only  identification  clue  is  the  coral  polyp.  The  sole  purpose  of  attaching  a  picture  is  because  the  link  you  provided  has  a  coral  who's  polyps  look  a  lot  different  from  the  ones  seen  in  the  above  picture.
 Any  loss  of  pigmentation  in  the  coral  polyps  since  the  time  of  procurement  can  only  suggest  a  case  of  bleaching  so  check  your  light  and  see  if  your  light  has  not  lost  it's  spectrum.
 
                                                 
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I  have  given  the  anemone  away.  Will  do  a  water  change  tomorrow  and  see.                  

 I'd  say  this  will  take  care  of  a  lot  of  your  problems!
 
                                                 
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Am  also  seeing  a  bit  of  white  dust  on  1  or  2  palythoa  polyps.  hope  it  is  not  an  infection  or  disease                

 If  you  suggest  a  sediment  deposit  I'd  say  you  take  a  small  powerhead  and  just  blow  it  off  the  polyps  to  ensure  that  they  get  optimum  light  to  keep  the  zooanthellae  alive.  If  you  feel  it  is  not  a  sediment  settled  on  the  polyp  then  I'm  afraid  it  points  a  finger  again  towards  bleaching.  So  see  if  your  lights  need  a  replacement.
 
                                                 
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but  its  a  good  challenge.  btw,  will  be  posting  one  terrific  DIY  plan  for  wavemakers  and  drawing  with  working  video  soon                

 looking  forward  to  it  please  start  a  new  thread  to  discuss  the  plan  in  the  reef  section  and  also  the  video  you  said  you  have  on  some  marine  bio-tope  please  keep  one  copy  for  me.  I  will  take  it  when  we  meet  sometime  in  mumbai!
 
                                                 
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what  is  shrimp  roe?  have  heard  this  in  WWM  site  also.                

 I  don't  know  about  the  site  but,  I  always  strip  a  female  shrimp/prawn  that  is  loaded  from  my  stock  of  shrimps  I  buy  for  my  home-made  feed  and  keep  the  roe  (shrimp  eggs  -  golden  yellow  in  colour)  aside  for  inverts.
 
                                                 
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For  me  to  put  any  pics  first  I  have  to  learn  how  to  click  the  snaps  properly.                

 you  would  find  a  lot  of  clues  in  the  photo  contest  forum  about  clicking  pictures  of  your  fish.  But,  as  they  say  it  is  a  subject  all  by  itself  and  you  will  need  a  lot  of  time  to  really  master  it!  And  of-course,  if  you  talk  about  clicking  inverts  and  cnidarians  you  will  surely  need  a  very  good  camera  to  get  high  resolution  pictures.
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