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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Dear  Members  and  experts  of  IAH,  After  much  delibration  and  reading  I  have  decided  on  a  marine  setup  .Initially  for  6-8  months  it  will  be  fish  only  followed  by  simple  corals  and  finally  inverts.I  have  a  lot  of  questions  which  i  would  really  appreciate  advise   to  avoid  life  threatning  mistakes  to  my  would  be  pets.This  is  the  set  up  I  have  in  mind.
 
 Main  tank:  44in(L)X  15  (W)  X  24in(H)  in  10  mm  glass.{Is  it  better  to  decrease  the  ht  to  18  or  20  in  so  as  to  enable  light  to  reach  the  bottom  of  tank  when  I  introduce  corals  and  Inverts.  I  have  a  restriction  in  space  for  length  and  width  but  no  restriction  for  hieght}.  The  main  tank  will  have  a  overflow  outlet  of  1.5  in  diameter  around  4  inch  below  the  upper  sill  on  the  rear  of  the  tank  from  which  a  1.5  inch  over  flow  pipe  will  go  thru  a  slot  in  wall  (of  2  in  dia  )  to  the  area  below  the  tank.I  Hv  arranged  it  so  that  I  can  pull  and  change  the  pipe  even  after  the  tank  is  setup.The  overflow  pipe  will  drip  into  the  wet  dry  trickle  filter.
 
 wet  and  dry  trickle  filter:20  inx  12inx12in  sizeglass  tank  with  ceramic  balls  and  activated  charcoal  (  500g)separated  by  glass  partition  .this  tank  will  be  placed  around  15  in  below  the  bottom  of  main  tank  so  a  gradient  of  24  in  will  allow  the  water  to  flow  into  the  trickle  filter.This  will  have  a  outlet  on2inch  from  bottom  on  side  from  which  a  1.5  in  pipe  will  drain  into  the  sump  situated  12  in  lower.
 
 sump  tank:  24  inx  12inx12in   to  catch  the  overflow  water  from  the  filter  and   have  a  3inch  coral  sand  bed  with  a  PL  and
 act  as  a  refugerium  and  house  Macroalgae  (if  I  manage  to  get  any).This  will  have  a  pump  to  lift  up  water  for  4  feet  to  drop  over  the  top  in  the  main  tank.
 
 As  per  the  above  set  up  I  want  to  know  if  a  trickle  filter  is  better  or  should  go  for   a  external  filter(??  Brand  ??  model)  (  disadv  :  exp  to  buy  and  maintain  and  power  needed  all  time).All  LFS  I  went  to  advised  an  under  gravel  filter  .  Is  it  needed  or  advisable?  or  shud  I  Hv  it  in  addition  to  the  wet/dry  -  external  filter.
 
 Substrate:  30  KGs  of  coral  sand  with  a  fine  net  covering  it  so  that  I  can  spread  argonite  sand  on  top  1  inch  (Red  sea  Brand-  5KGs)  I  like  the  look  of  argonite  sand  and  will  use  it  if  financially  viable.Do  U  guys  think  than  this  is  a  gud  idea  and  will  the  separation  be  biologically  viable  over  a  period  of  time.
 
 Base  marine  rock-  10kg  to  elevate  the  live  rock.
 
 Live  Rock-30  Kgs  minimum  probably  more  .  How  do  I  pile  the  live  rock.  Can  I  use  M-seal  wet  set  or  araldite  or  fevi  quick  to  see  that  live  rock  pile  is  maintained  or  use  nylon  strings.
 
 Marine  salt:  Which  brand  ??  AZoo  (  relatively  cheaper  which  I  found  on  a  IAH  supporting  website)  or  red  sea  30%  more  expensive.
 
 Lighting:  1  azoo  HI  PL  13W  12000  k,  1  azoo  coral  blue  2  feet  ,  1  CFL  6500K  18  W  
 
 power  heads:  2x  1300l/h  powerheads  for  circulation  in  tank  .??  location  in  main   tank  to  get  best  circulation.
 
 Protien  skimmer  :  Though  I  would  like  external  PS  I  dont  hv  space  for  one  below  tank  so  plan  to  go  for  in  tank  skimmer.  Which  make  ??  AZOO  triple  action  or  Berlin  air  lift  (  Cheaper  slightly).  or  any  other  equivalent  good  brand?
 
 Bacteria:  Azoo  11  in1  bacteria   and  PSB  (  Photosynthetic  bacteria  )is  it  helpful  in  faster  cycling  of  tank.IS  there  a  detrivorus  kit  with  cysts  of  inverts  and   sand  critters  or  coralline  algae  culture  commertially  available.
   
 Testing  kits:  which  brands??
 
 Trace  elements:  Azoo  brand  .Is  it  needed  as  the  skimmer  is  supposed  to  drain  the  water  of  trace  elements
 
 
 
 dear  experts  pl  guide  me  if  I  am  doing  some  thing  wrong  .I  will  sincerely  attempt  to  follow  sensible  advise.I  am  in  the  processing  of  buying  all  the  stuff  within  a  week  and   would  appreaciate  all  the  guidance  I  can  get  to  get  good  quality  stuff  at  the  right  price.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Hi,I  am  looking  for  places  where  I  can  buy  the  following  for  my  tank.  I  would  really  appreciate  if  marine  aquarists  from  Mumbai  and  else  where  can  guide  me  where  I  can  buy  the  equipment  and  suggest  good  economical  brands  and  places  to  buy  this  from.  I  have  been  to  LFS  at  crawford  market  and  a  LFS  in  Borivali  and  have  been  over  pets  o  mania  and  aquariumsindia  site  trying  to  build  a  list  of  things  needed.I  went  hunting  for  Nautilus  in  bBandra  last  sunday  but  found  that  the  address  and  tel  no  on  IAH  are  not  current.  Does  any  one  have  a  current  address  for  same.I  would  also  appreciate  if  fellow  members  who  sell  these  equipment  (  Like  DJ  ,AQUASCAPES,  )  may  help  me  by  PM  me  the  price  of  these  items.  
 pl  feel  free  to  suggest  if  my  quantities  /capacities  are  inadequete.
 1.Coral  sand-30  kg
 2.live  rock-30  kg
 3.argonite  sand-7kgs
 4.Testing  kits  for  ammonia  ,nitrate  ,nitrite,pH-6  in1  is  better  or  separate
 5.Hydrometer-salinity  tester:
 6.Bacterial  culture/Detrivour  kit:Azoo??PSB,  11  in  one
 7.Marine  salt-15  kg
 8.2  outlet  air  pump:?  Make  ?  Wiepro?
 9.Powerheads  :  Min  1000l/hr  x  2  in  tank  for  circulation
 10.Lights:  Azoo  Hi  PL  x1,  Azoo  coral  blux1  or  equivalent.  Do  I  need  more
 11.Marine  trace  elements:
 12.Sump  pump  capable  of  lifting  water  ovet  4  feet  Ht-?  make  ?  capacity
 13.Heater:  is  it  needed  in  mumbai
 14.  Thermometer  
 15.  Ext  filter  /cannister  filter  -  which  brand  ?  capacity
 16.  where  do  I  get  Macro  algae  ?  and  lime  stone  rocks.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 U  can  check  here  for  some  info...  http://fishforum.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=63
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 hi,
 
 Though  I  have  no  knowledge  in  Marine  but  below  are  couple  of  good  threads  which  are  available  within  IAH  wrt  Marine  Fish  Keeping
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3533
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3314&start=0
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

                                                   
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wet  and  dry  trickle  filter:20  inx  12inx12in  sizeglass  tank  with  ceramic  balls  and  activated  charcoal  (  500g)separated  by  glass  partition                  

 
 If  you  are  going  with  a  Live  Rock  setup,  There  is  no  need  for  a  trickle  filter,  You  can  use  this  space  in  the  sump  for  the  Protein  skimmer.  According  to  many  trickle  filter  produces  excess  Nitrates.
 
 
                                                 
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As  per  the  above  set  up  I  want  to  know  if  a  trickle  filter  is  better  or  should  go  for   a  external  filter(??  Brand  ??  model)  (  disadv  :  exp  to  buy  and  maintain  and  power  needed  all  time).All  LFS  I  went  to  advised  an  under  gravel  filter  .  Is  it  needed  or  advisable?  or  shud  I  Hv  it  in  addition  to  the  wet/dry  -  external  filter.  
                 

 
 
 No  need  of  any  of  the  above,  Just  put  some  filter  floss/sponge  in  the  sump  between  the  baffles.
 
 
 
 
 
                                                 
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How  do  I  pile  the  live  rock.  Can  I  use  M-seal  wet  set  or  araldite  or  fevi  quick  to  see  that  live  rock  pile  is  maintained  or  use  nylon  strings                

 
 
 Fishing  twine  to  secure  the  rocks  and  DIY  pvc  stand  to  place  the  rocks.  
 sticking  the  rocks  makes  it  difficult  to  change  the  rockscape.
 
 
                                                 
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Bacteria:  Azoo  11  in1  bacteria   and  PSB  (  Photosynthetic  bacteria  )is  it  helpful  in  faster  cycling  of  tank.IS  there  a  detrivorus  kit  with  cysts  of  inverts  and   sand  critters  or  coralline  algae  culture  commertially  available.  
                 

 
 
 IMO  bacteria  is  not  needed,  Just  go  through  the  "  Tank  cycling  procedure".
 There  are  no  Detrivorus  kit  available,  Instead  you  can  get  some  sand(live  sand)  of  your  friend/hobbyist  tank.
 
 
 
                                                 
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Trace  elements:  Azoo  brand  .Is  it  needed  as  the  skimmer  is  supposed  to  drain  the  water  of  trace  elements  
 
                 

 Trace  elements  will  not  be  needed  for  some  time,  go  with  more  water  changes  to  replenish  the  trace  elements.
 
 
 
 Save  the  money  on  canister  filter,  trace  elements,  ect  and  get  a  good  skimmer.  Also  may  have  to  upgrade  the  lights  in  future  when  you  get  corals.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Thank  U  rahul  ,Dhirtiman,Babu  for  your  quick  response.Can  u  recommend  a  good  skimmer?  Rahul  what  do  U  mean  by  Floss  /Sponge  between  Baffles  of  Sump?  can  u  enlighten  me  please.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Dr  Gauresh,
 
 I  have  a  very  good  Marine  Aquarium  Guide  with  me  in  pdf  format,  just  send  me  an  email  regarding  the  same  so  I  will  forward  you  the  guide  tomorrow  morning.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Pick  up  a  skimmer  rated  for  a  tank  larger  than  yours.  Buy  a  venturi  or  power  skimmer,  not  the  airstone  type.
 As  for  brand/model,  look  around  and  inquire  in  a  few  places  before  you  make  a  choice  depending  on  price,  availability  and  recommendations.
 The  weipro  skimmers  are  popular  in  Bangalore.
 
 Look  at  the  first  post  of  this  thread    for  a  basic  sump  design.  The  baffles  are  the  seperators  between  two  adjacent  compartments.  Rahul  meant  placing  sponge  or  floss  in  the  compartments.
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 Some  great  info  from  everyone  here...
 
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 1.  Only  Bad  things  happen  fast  in  this  hobby  -  Be  patient  youll  see  results.
 2.  When  in  doubt  about  something  -  Dont  do  it  -  Google  it  /  Post  a  thread  here  and  youll  get  answers...
 3.  Buy  quality  equipment  -  Itll  save  you  money  which  you  will  lose  from  stuff  dying  due  to  poor  quality  salt,  skimmer  ,  filtration  equipment  etc...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Thanks,  Rocky  (  U  Got  mail),Psimhan,  and  coral  reef.By  the  way  Lyndon  ,just  love  your  tank  its  really   Aspirational  and  Inspirational.Is  the  azoo  tri  triple  skimmer  good  enough?  that  is  the  only  skimmer  I  have  seen  here.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Dr  Gauresh,
 Thanks  for  the  mail.  I  have  already  forward  the  guide  to  your  email  id.  Please  go  through  it.  There  are  lot  of  good  &  valuable  info  which  is  very  very  good  for  any  beginner  or  experts.
 
 
                                                 
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Is  the  azoo  tri  triple  skimmer  good  enough?                

 One  of  my  client  is  using  same  kind  of  intermal  power  skimmer  &  the  result  is  not  bad.  He  is  happy  with  that  but  ranjithc  (IAH  member)  is  using  the  same  AZOO  tri  power  skimmer  is  not  happy  with  the  performance.  
 
 Lot  of  guys  are  using  Weipro  Skimmers  &  mostly  all  of  them  are  happy  with  the  performance  but  if  we  listent  to  Shankar...  he  says  its  not  a  good  one.
 
 As  Nauzer  said  :  If  a  skimmer  effectively  removes  the  raw  proteins  and  helps  decrease  the  bio-load  it  can  be  branded  as  a  good  skimmer!  There  are  however  many  models  and  designs  of  skimmers  available  to  the  hobbyists  today  and  the  range  is  so  big  that  it  can  even  confuse  the  more  experienced  hobbyists.
 
 Different  people  different  comments.  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 THX  rocky  for  the  guide  its   very  helpful.
 Can  any  one  comment  on  the  hieght  of  the  tank   shud  be  20  or  24  in   or  even  higher  as  I  hav  no  restriction  for  space  vertically.Once  the  tank  matures  I  plan  on  anemones  and  corals  so  shud  I  restrict  the  ht  to  avoid  buying  expensive  lights  later.  I  dont  want  to  shift  to  MH  ever.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 For  no  MH  ever,  keep  the  height  under  24".  Also  height  above  24"  is  going  to  give  you  problems  with  scaping  and  cleaning,  unless  you  have  really  long  arms.  
 Anemones  need  very  good  lighting  and  a  matured  tank,  as  do  some  corals.  So  plan  on  the  getting  the  lights  before  getting  them.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 @  Dr  Gauresh,
 Sir,  I  strongly  request  you  to  read  the  guide  fully.  There  are  almost  all  the  answers  of  your  questions.  So  please  take  your  time  &  go  through  it.
 
 @  Pradeep  ...  mail  sent,  check  it  out.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Help and advise for new marine tank setup in Mumbai Reply with quote

 Anemones  are  photosynthetic  creatures  and  do  benefit  from  the  occasional  scraps  of  food.  In  the  wild  their  lifespan  is  forever...
 
 So,  if  you  do  not  have  enough  light  forget  anemones..(not  a  rule...but  a  guideline  of  roughly  1  watt  per  litre  works  very  well)  
 when  you  find  anemones  crawl  on  the  glass  its  usually  because  they  want  more  light  and  they  end  up  dying  from  lack  of  light  or  end  up  moving  around  and  getting  stuck  in  a  pump  where  they  will  be  shredded  to  bits...
 
 2  years  ago  I  lost  my  entire  tank  because  of  an  anemone  crawling  into  a  powerhead...it  was  the  biggest  tragedy  to  ever  have  and  I  couldnt  save  anything  as  I  had  gone  snorkelling  for  4  hours.  
 
 It  was  my  birthday.  Sad  
 
 I  added  a  Metal  Halide  soon  after  that...


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