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 hey  all,
 
 i  was  going  through  the  cichlid  companion  website  and  noticed  something  that  interested  me  quite  a  bit.    apparently  people  in  france  and  united  states  and  other  foreign  countries  are  very  interested  in  these  fishes.    i  also  recall  reading  somewhere  that  there  are  people  out  there  who  are  ready  to  do  anything  for  the  canaresis  fish....  if  so,  how  come  we  don't  have  any  available  for  our  local  hobbyists???
 
 i  know  beta  has  atleast  a  pair  and  madan  has  access  to  them,  but  why  can  we  not  have  them  available  on  a  regular  basis???    I've  heard  that  they  have  a  tendency  to  die  suddenly,  but  is  there  no  way  to  keep  them  live  and  healthy?
 
 I  don't  know,  but  this  has  been  bugging  for  quite  a  bit  of  time....
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 E.canarensis  are  all  wild  caught.  No  one  has  been  able  to  breed  them  in  captivity  as  far  as  I  know.
 So  they  are  seasonally  available.  That  is  after  the  monsoon  begins.  They  are  usually  available  by  July.
 No  hidden  secrets  about  this.  Not  being  a  very  appealing  fish  to  normal  people  who  throng  the  LFS,  there  is  not  much  demand  for  them.
 Die  hards  from  IAH  want  them  and  none  else.
 Being  wild  caught  we  really  don't  have  anything  documented  about  the  water  conditions  they  are  found  in  etc.,  from  an  aquarists  point  of  view.  There  may  be  some  information  available  on  the  net  but  I  would  treat  it  as  suspect  and  incomplete.  So  naturally  there  is  a  die  off.  Once  some  aquarist  collects  them  from  the  wild  and  comes  up  with  the  biotope  details  then  we  would  be  better  off.
 
 Now,  how  about  a  hunt  for  the  E.canarensis?  :lol:
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 I'm  game  Very Happy
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 Count  me  in  too.
 
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 Count  me  in  too.
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 Hi  Madan:
 
 Welcome  back  home...  Very Happy  
 
 The  good  news  is  that  "The  hunt  for  EC  is  in  the  pipeline..."
 Nayak  (rasiknayak)  and  Adip  are  cooking  some  plans  on  this...
 
 His  place  is  very  near  to  the  WGhats  and  the  natural  home  of  EC...
 With  a  further  planning  on  this  subject  with  Nayak,  I'm  sure  this  will  turnout  to  be  a  wonderful  expedition...
 
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 a  hunt  is  a  good  idea.
 
 i'm  just  wondering.    with  expert  aquarists  like  madan,  beta,  adip,  nag,  ravi,  etc.  would  it  not  be  possible  to  get  proper  information  regarding  biotopes?    please  understand,  i  still  consider  myself  a  beginnger  and  know  nothing  about  biotope  specs  as  such...  so  i  still  don't  have  a  clue  about  these  things.
 
 can  we  not  replicate  the  said  biotope  if  we  were  to  find  out  the  right  specs?
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 Hello  Everyone,
 I  am  doing  my  homework.As  soon  as  the  kids  exams  are  over  i  will  be  going  on  a  reconnaissance  trip...(i.e)this  month  end  or  next  month  start.Will  not  catch  anything(being  a  novice)  Oops,but  will  try  and  get  the  photos  of  biotopes.
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 Experienced  aquarists....?????  .....  have  biotope  info  offhand.....  ???  from  where?  We  have  never  seen  the  biotope.....  don't  know  which  exact  location  this  fish  is  found  in.  You  can  hunt  for  this  fish  in  what  is  rumoured  to  be  it's  habitat  and  never  find  it...  lots  of  luck  needed.
 
 Ravi,  Beta,  Adip,  me  and  others  have  just  about  started  exploring  the  various  options  available  to  us.........,  there's  nothing  much  1st  hand  available  from  any  of  us  regarding  biotopes.  We  are  as  much  novice  aquarists  as  anyone  else  on  this  list....  we  only  share  common  sense  advice  that  we  stumbled  on  ourselves  quiet  by  chance,  which  has  helped  us  to  understand  that  when  in  doubt  go  back  to  1st  principles...  the  basics....  and  this  we  pass  on  to  help  other  hobbyists.
 
 Yes,  we  do  have  some  books  and  the  net  and  read  a  lot,  but  again  there's  nothing  much  in  them  regarding  E.  canarensis.
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 So  far  we  only  have  some  information  from  Vinny  Kutty,  who  collected  them  50  kms  from  Mangalore.  They  are  open  substrate  spawners  and  mature  at  3  inches.
 We  will  try  to  get  some  more  info  from  him  before  we  head  out  for  a  trip.
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 i  remember  reading  somewhere  that  these  guys  can  be  found  near  uppinangady,  near  mangalore.    in  fact,  though  i  can't  remember  where  i  read  this,  it  was  said  that  these  guys  could  be  found  near  the  uppinangady  bridge.    
 
 my  understanding  of  biotope  is  the  enivronment  specs  for  the  animal  /  fish  in  question.    if  so,  how  do  you  measure  it?  i  know  that  water  hardness,  pH,  ammonia,  nitrate,  nitrite  levels,  etc.  are  part  of  it....  what  would  the  other  parts  be?
 
 i  know  you  wont  get  most  of  this  information  from  the  net  or  books...  just  wondering  how  to  collect  this  info.
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 I  would  be  interested.  (Would  require  a  little  bit  of  an  advance  notice.)
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 To  the  best  of  my  knowledge  canarensis  are  found  in  coastal  areas  of  the  western  gharts  &  have  heard  from  people  who've  studied  them  say  that  they  inhibit  water  bodies  ranging  from  brackish-fresh  water  depending  upon  the  season.    My  hunt  for  canarensis  in  the  Kudremukh  national  park,  acchankovil  and  silent  valley  national  park  was  a  bit  time  flop  and  couldn't  even  find  a  trace  of  it.    I've  heard  they're  found  in  Kudremukh  national  park  and  Waynad  lake.    Have  been  trying  to  get  a  hand  on  them  for  atleast  the  past  1  1/2  yrs.
 If  anyone  could  have  a  hand  on  them,  i'd  be  more  than  happy  to  snach  it  from  them  Very Happy.
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 If  these  fish  are  found  around  Mangalore,  Uppinaangady  and  close  by  areas  then  we  probably  can  do  a  trip,  it  will  have  to  be  over  2  days,  and  it'll  have  to  be  before  the  monsoons.  Once  It  is  June  all  the  streams  are  a  torrent  and  we  won't  find  anything.
 
 First  have  to  confirm  the  locations  from  where  these  have  been  caught  positively,  or  else  we'll  keep  bringing  up  empty  nets.
 
 This  will  be  Mother  of  all  collection  trips  so  far,  I  can  see  the  ground  swell  of  interest  building  up  already.
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