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 Hi  all.
 
 I'm  setting  up  a  270  ltr  tank  to  bring  in  some  Ceylon  Puffers.
 
 I'm  definately  not  an  expert,  hence  i'm  seeking  all  the  advice  i  can  get!
 
 I  am  aware  that  these  are  brakkish  water  fish,  and  have  also  posted  a  message  in  another  section  regarding  that.
 
 But  i  needed  a  few  more  clarifications:
 
 
 -  Which  other  fish  are  compatible  with  Ceylon  Puffers  in  a  brakkish  tank?
 
 -  What  kind  of  environment  setup  should  i  create?
 
 -  Can  i  grow  plants  in  this  tank  (im  using  construction  sand  as  substrate)
 
 -  Any  special  care  required  for  a  brakkish  aquaria  and  their  inmates?
 
 
 Thanx  for  all  your  advices  in  advance.
 
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 I  think  what  you  are  talking  about  is  F8  or  Figure  8  puffer,  the  one  which's  got  a  8  shape  on  its  fore  head.    Monodactylus  argus,  M.  sabae  and  Scatophagus  can  be  surviving  tank  mates.    Puffers  have  the  tendency  of  going  after  weak  or  smaller  fishes  and  they  also  seem  to  like  hidings.    They  have  a  sort  of  beaky  formation  inside  their  mouth  to  crack  open  snails.    So  feeding  snails  at  least  occationally  is  almost  mandatory  other  wise  they're  said  to  loose  weight.    Slow  moving  or  small  fishes  are  not  advised  to  be  housed  with  puffers.
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So  feeding  snails  at  least  occationally  is  almost  mandatory  other  wise  they're  said  to  loose  weight.                

 
 That's  right.  It  is  imperative  to  feed  your  puffers  snails.  I  had  a  couple  of  puffers  once,  and  they  were  such  a  pleasure  to  watch.  They'd  jump  and  'dance'  around  whenever  I  came  near  their  tank;  almost  like  little  puppies!  Smile  
 
 Although  they  were  a  delight,  it  was  quite  a  challenge  maintaining  the  salinity  in  their  tanks  and  meeting  their  special  requirements.  So,  I  returned  them  back  to  the  storekeeper.
 
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 I  do  not  recommend  scats  for  most  home  aquaria.  Monos  should  be  okay,  but  they  need  a  lot  of  swimming  room...what  are  the  dimensions  of  your  tank??  A  good  setup  would  be  a  sand  bottom  with  a  few  pots/rocks  forming  hiding  places  and  "twiggy"  driftwood  to  simulate  mangrove  roots.
 
 As  already  mentioned,  snails  are  good  food...they  do  not  appreciate  other  bottom  dwellers...plants  are  superfluous...they  are  territorial.
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 Thanks  all  for  the  invaluable  advice.
 
 I  havent  got  the  puffers  yet  Madhu,  but  had  seen  them  in  a  few  shops  earlier,  going  by  my  research  on  the  net,  they  are  known  as  Ceylon  Puffers  (T  nigroviridis).  Will  post  a  pic  as  soon  as  i  get  them.  the  tank's  just  cycling  now,  no  salts  added  yet  either.
 
 Jenny,  i  hadnt  seen  a  puffer  before  in  my  life  until  recently,  but  i  must  say,  they  got  me!  i  guess  i'l  have  to  bring  them  home  to  experience  their  personaliies.  Just  so  im  prepared,  what  were  the  issues  on  salinity  and  water    in  general  that  u  faced?
 
 My  tank  is  3.5'  ft  wide  &  1.7'  high;  so  i  guess  that  gives  enough  room  for  the  monos  to  swim  around.
 
 Scats  not  recommended?  alrighty  then,  no  scats  for  now.
 
 Rahul,  why  do  u  say  plants  are  NOT  needed?  do  these  fish  eat  them  up?
 
 more  advice  recommended!
 
 I  still  dont  know  where  to  start  with  the  brackish  water  making.
 
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 This  article  briefs  about  preparing  brackish  water.
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=64&mode=&order=0&thold=0
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 Hiya!  
 
 
                                                 
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Just  so  im  prepared,  what  were  the  issues  on  salinity  and  water  in  general  that  u  faced?                  

 
 Water  changes  for  a  brackish  water  setup  is  quite  different  from  water  changes  intended  for  a  freshwater  setup.  In  the  latter,  you'd  simply  have  to  siphon  off  some  water,  and  just  replace.  But,  for  a  brackish  water  tank..  you'd  need  to  add  the  correct  amount  of  salt.  It  is  okay  initially...  but  I  think  you'd  require  a  hydrometer  to  ascertain  the  salinity.  Water  evaporates..  but  the  salt  remains  behind.  So,  unless  you  have  a  hydrometer,  it  would  be  difficult  to  do  water  changes.  
 
 My  puffers  were  extremely  sick  when  I  bought  them.  They  had  ich,  sunken  bellies  and  a  thick  coat  of  slime  covering  their  bodies.  It  was  pretty  yuk,  but  I  took  good  care  of  them,  and  they  were  alright  for  a  very  long  time.  But  then,  I  found  it  quite  a  hassle  (and  also  quite  guilty)  blindly  changing  their  water.  So,  I  returned  them  to  the  LFS  owner.  I  fed  them  with  pond  snails  which  they  loved.  Smile  
 
 What  I  loved  most  was  their  little  dance..  more  like  a  jig!  :lol:  I'd  deliberately  go  and  stick  my  face  into  the  tank,  just  to  see  them  dance  about.  What  made  it  very  special  was  that  they'd  do  it  only  for  me!<<smirk>>  
 
 Go  for  puffers!  They'd  add  so  much  of  happiness  to  your  life.    Very Happy  
 
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 I  said  plants  were  not  needed  because  there  are  few,  if  any,  plants  in  their  natural  environment...
 
 BTW,  Ceylon  puffers  are  not  T.nigroviridis.  AFAIK  they  are  an  undescribed  species...
 
 As  Jenny  said,  get  a  hydrometer  and  aim  for  a  Sp.  gravity  of  ~1.05
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 thanx    lot  Madhu  for  the  url.  info  was  very  user-friendly  Smile
 
 Rahul,  did  you  recommend  not  going  for  scats  b'because  they  carry  infections  or  becoz  of  their  aggressiveness?
 
 I've  asked  a  LFS  to  get  me  some  mono  angels  (i  hope  they  school)
 
 what  about  archer  fish?  are  they  available  anywhere  in  india?  if  so,  any  odea  how  much  they'd  cost?  also  unable  to  find  the  desired  puffers,  although  i  asked  the  lfs  dude  to  get  me  a  good  pair.
 
 thanx  for  all  the  info  friends.  
 
 im  gonna  buy  the  salt  soon  and  start  mixing.  no  places  in  hyderabad  where  a  hydro-meter  can  be  found.  looking  on  the  net.
 
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 Hi  Shaji,  :lol:  
 
 U  can  contact  the  following  dealers.  They  should  have  a  hydrometer  in  stock.
 
 1.  Apex  Enterprises  -  secunderabad
 2.  Sapphire  Scientifics  -  secunderabad
 3.  Deccan  Tekno  -  Habsiguda
 
 I  have  asked  my  staff  for  the  phone  numbers.  I  will  try  and  send  tomorrow.  
 
 U  could  also  check  with  any  dealer  supplying  glassware,  scientific  instruments  &  chemicals.
 
 V  have  hydrometers  here  but  am  worried  about  breakage!!!!  Rolling Eyes  
 
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 Thanx  for  the  leads  Rama!
 
 no  record  of  Sapphire  Scientifics
 
 called  deccan  tekno  (040-27609226)  but  they  dont  have  hydro  metres  for  water.  they  had  something  for  soil.
 
 Apex  enterprises  (040-27541012)  is  not  answering.  im  still  trying.
 
 Would  you  have  any  idea  on  how  much  one  of  these  hydro  metres  should  cost?
 
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 Shaji,  try  the  stores  supplying  instruments  to  colleges/schools  etc...the  last  one  I  bought  (2002)  cost  about  Rs20.
 
 Scats  are  sort  of  nippy  and  do  not  do  well  in  most  aquaria...they  need  lots  of  magnesium.
 
 Monos  are  schooling  fish...I  recommend  groups  of  4  or  more.
 
 I'd  stick  with  these  for  now  and  worry  about  archer  fish  later.
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 will  do  in  the  morning  Rahul.  thanx  for  da  advice  again.
 
 Hope  the  Monos  and  the  Ceylon  Puffers  would  be  compatible
 
 a  week  long  cycling  should  do  before  i  bring  in  the  main  fish,  right?
 
 any  advice  on  what  else  i  can  add  in  this  tank?
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 Ummm,  a  month  long  cycling  is  the  usual  minimum...patience  my  friend  Very Happy
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 You  can  kick  start  or  speed  up  the  cycling  process  by  using  filter  media  and/or  water  from  a  healthy  tank.
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