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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 Can  somone  please  ID  these  and  are  they  legal  to  keep  in  India
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 1.  Little  confused  on  it.  Will  update  you.
 2.  Gonipora  
 3.  Acropora  
 
 Both  2  &  3  are  illegal.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 Coral  #1  looks  very  much  like  Cladiella  sp.  (finger  leather  coral)  =  soft  coral
 Coral  #2  looks  exactly  like  a  Goniopora  sp.  (daisy  coral)  =  sps
 Coral  #3  resembles  Sarcophyton  sp.  (Mushroom  leather  coral)  =  soft  coral
 Coral  #4  seen  in  the  background  of  Picture  #3  looks  like  Favia  sp.  (moon  coral/closed  brain  coral)  =  sps  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 1.)  Finger  leather  coral  Lobophyta.  Soft  coral.  Small  polyps.  Colour  of  polyps  differs  according  to  variety  &  lighting.  Make  sure  there  is  no  accumulation  of  detrius  on  this  coral.  Make  sure  no  brown  algae  takes  hold  on  this  coral.  Requires  medium  water  flow.  Usually  to  be  kept  in  the  mid  water  levels.
 2.)  Daisy  coral  Goniopora.  Hard  coral  LPS.  Polyp  length  may  vary  according  to  existing  water  flow  in  your  tank  &  also  on  species.  Very  prone  to  tissue  necrosis  ie  degeneration  of  soft  tissue  due  to  careless  handling  &  secondary  bacterial  infection  followed  by  fungal  infection.  Requires  good  water  flow.
 3.)  Toadstool  /  Undulated  leather  Sarcophyton.  Soft  coral.  Small  Polyps.Colour  of  polyps  differs  according  to  variety  &  lighting.  Make  sure  there  is  no  accumulation  of  detrius  on  this  coral.  Make  sure  no  brown  algae  takes  hold  on  this  coral.  Placement  is  not  a  major  concern  so  long  as  it  gets  very  good  water  flow  &  good  lighting.
 All  the  corals  will  do  exceptionally  well.  Make  sure  to  add  trace  elements  that  have  iodine,  magnesium,  calcium,  strontium,  molybednum  etc.  
 There  is  no  clear  policy  whether  you  are  allowed  to  keep  any  corals  at  all.  So  if  you  have  them  dont  ADVERTISE   them.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 4  years  as  a  member,  1  post  -  this  is  better  than  Nimmat  Smile
 
 Welcome  back  to  IAH,  Rohit.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 I  heard  of  some  aquarists  being  targeted  because  they  posted  their  corals  in  a  forum  or  orkut  or  somewhere  else.  I  don't  know  how  far  this  is  true  or  if  it  just  was  a  doomsday  Edit.  
 
 Giving  your  mobile  number  in  your  signature  will  trace  your  address.
 
 I  guess  Rohit  is  advocating  caution.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

                                                   
Rohit  wrote  (View  Post):                

 All  the  corals  will  do  exceptionally  well.                  

 Please!  There  are  not  many  people  who  have  been  able  to  maintain  Gonios  in  the  long  term.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

                                                   
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Rohit  wrote  (View  Post):                

 All  the  corals  will  do  exceptionally  well.                  

 Please!  There  are  not  many  people  who  have  been  able  to  maintain  Gonios  in  the  long  term.                

 
 @Rohit,  kindly  quote  your  personal  experience  on  the  above.   Rock On


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

                                                   
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Please!  There  are  not  many  people  who  have  been  able  to  maintain  Gonios  in  the  long  term.                

 
 I've  hear  that  too.  
 But  then  again  they  supposedly  grow  exceptionally  well  near  sewage  lines  entering  the  sea.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  welcoming  me  back  Pradeep.  I  would  have  been  a  more  frequent  visitor  had  i  not  forgotten  my  password.
   When  i  was  cautioning  it  was  not  just  caution.  The  Indian  Wildlife  act  has  banned  all  corals.  They  have  not  been  very  specific  about  which  ones  they  have  banned.  As  in  they  say  that  any  species  that  is  in  the  CITES  endangered  list  is  to  be  considered  banned.  The  best  thing  to  do  if  you  are  into  reefs  &  corals  as  such  is  to  really  do  your  homework  on  the  species  that  you  intend  to  keep  &  then  do  everything  to  keep  the  organism  in  pristine  health  &  to  not  advertise  that  you  have  corals.  Goniopora  as  i  have  stated  earlier  are  very  prone  to  Rapid  Tissue  Necrosis  (RTN).  This  condition  is  the  basic  reason  that  most  people  suffer  loses  with  goniopara  coral  varieties.  The  coral  comes  heavily  stressed   firs  due  to  improper  handling  by  the  collector,  second  improper  method  of  packaging,  third  improper  method  of  introduction  to  the  aquarium.  I  think  i  shall  put  a  full  explenation  of  the  previous  statement  here.
 1.)  By  improper  handling  by  the  collector  i  mean  the  way  the  coral  is  collected  in  the  sea.  The  proper  method  to  collect  the  goniopora  coral  is  to  choose  small  coral  pieces  that  are  not  more  than  3"  across  and  have  not  grown  on  rocks  with  any  sponges.  The  coral  should  not  have  any  worm  holes  at  the  base.  The  collector  should  wear  surgical  gloves  so  that  he  does  not  touch  the  coral  tissue  directly  with  his  hand.  This  is  done  so  that  the  coral  will  not  lose  much  of  its  mucus  protection.  All  the  coral  polyps  should  be  made  to  close  before  the  coral  is  broken  off  its  location.  This  can  be  achieved  by  just  swirling  the  hand  all  round  the  coral.  The  coral  should  be  packed  into  a  bubble  wrap  &  put  into  the  plastic  bag  inside  water.  This  is  done  so  that  the  coral  tissue  does  not  rip  with  its  own  weight  outside  water.  Handle  the  coral  as  few  times  as  possible.  Keep  only  1  coral  in  1  bag.
 2.)  By  improper  method  of  packing  i  meant  the  dealer  /  wholesaler  who  packs  the  coral  to  ship  to  you  should  also  take  care  to  follow  the  packing  procedure  as  mentioned  above.  There  should  be  no  dry  packing  of  corals.  There  should  be  ice  packs  added  to  keep  the  temperature  down  during  transit.  The  shipment  should  be  the  fastest  mode  possible.  The  dealer  /  wholesaler  should  give  details  regarding  the  salinity  &  ph  of  the  water  the  corals  were  placed  in  his  stocking  tanks.
 3.)  By  improper  method  of  introduction  into  the  tank  i  meant  that  you  cant  just  float  the  bag,  mix  water  &  finally  just  place  it  somewhere.  You  should  know  the  lighting  requirements  for  the  coral  that  you  have  bought,  its  water  flow  requirements,  basic  ph  &  salinity.  The  proper  method  of  introducing  the  coral  would  be  to  place  it  in  a  quarantine  tank  with  good  filteration,  including  activated  charcoal  &  uv  filteration.  The  water  parameters  should  match  those  in  your  main  tank.  The  uv  filteration  is  to  stop  any  diatom  algal  blooms  as  well  as  any  bacterial  blooms  that  will  be  detrimental  to  the  coral's  health.  Place  each  of  the  corals  that  you  wish  to  quarantine  such  that  the  polyps  will  never  be  able  to  touch  any  other  coral's  polyps.  Chemical  warefare  is  very  rampant  in  corals.  The  quarantine  tank  should  have  lighting  that  you  can  adjust  for  intensity  ie  there  should  be  additional  lighting  that  you  can  put  on  timers  to  follow  the  natural  light  phase.  there  should  be  moderate  flow  in  the  tank.  A  protein  skimmer  should  be  used.  The  coral  should  never  be  placed  directly  on  the  bottom  sand  as  it  is  sure  to  start  dying  wherever  the  sand  comes  into  contact  with  the  tissue.  if  your  coral  does  not  have  an  adequate  base  then  please  make  one  for  it  using  underwater  epoxy.  Make  a  small  marble  size  blob  of  the  epoxy  &  place  it  on  the  rock  to  which  you  wish  to  attach  the  coral.  Lift  the  coral  &  just  place  it  on  the  blob  of  epoxy  on  the  rock  dont  press.  Make  sure  you  dont  damage  the  tissue  while  doing  so.  Do  this  as  soon  as  you  receive  the  corals.  Give  the  coral  atleast  2  weeks  before  you  put  it  into  your  display.
 Please  feel  free  to  criticise  if  you  want  to  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

                                                   
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All  the  coral  polyps  should  be  made  to  close  before  the  coral  is  broken  off  its  location.  This  can  be  achieved  by  just  swirling  the  hand  all  round  the  coral.                

 
 A  very  valid  and  practical  point,  most  of  the  people  don't  do.  And  why  would  one  criticize  when  someone  is  willing  to  help  out  others?   Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 @Madan
 
                                                 
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 heard  of  some  aquarists  being  targeted  because  they  posted  their  corals  in  a  forum  or  orkut  or  somewhere  else.  I  don't  know  how  far  this  is  true  or  if  it  just  was  a  doomsday  Edit.                  

 
 I  am  100%  positive  it  was  true  in  mumbai.  Cause  1  of  them  was  a  direct  friend  of  mine  and  he  had  to  pay  a  hefty  bribe  so  as  to  not  get  arrested.   As  the  offence  is  direct  imprisonment  and  no  bail.  Infact  his  corals  were  moved  to  the  Public  Aquarium  in  Mumbai  at  Marine  Drive  and  you  can  still  see  them  there.
 
 i  remember  speaking  to  nauzer  a  couple  of  weeks  back  and  he  mentioned  of  the  same  as  well  in  mumbai.
 
 The  only  difference  was  that  it  did  not  come  thru  orkut  or  a  forum  which  they  initially  thought.  It  came  through  an  LFS  who  was  raided  and  he  had  a  diary  with  contact  information  and  orders  of  banned  items.
 
 However  i  still  believe  one  should  not  advertise  this  info  by  any  means.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 Yeah,  i  too  heard  of  a  man  who  deleted  his  beautiful  online  album,  fearing  the  raids.  And  his  corals  died  shortly,  due  to  the  huge  disappointment.   Sad
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: CORAL ID Pls Reply with quote

 @lalu
 
 I  dont  think  the  person's  corals  died  due  to  the  disappointment  of  their  pics  being  deleted....  lol
 
 I  think  that  was  negligence  from  the  person.  Knowing  that  he  is  an  experienced  aquarist  he  should  have  taken  preventive  steps  or  got  a  chiller.  If  the  person  couldnt  afford  it  there  are  simpler  ways  of  trying  to  atleast  make  an  attempt  ...  else  he  should  have  given  them  to  someone  who  has  a  chiller  and  could  keep  them  for  him  till  the  summers  went  by  ..  If  you  dont  know  of  someone  who  can  help  u  with  it  ...then  dont  keep  corals.  
 
 I  am  scheduled  to  meet  that  person  on  sunday  ...will  spank  him  for  sure  ..lol
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