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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 Topic  says  it  all  !
 
 Need  a  pair,  real  Siamese,  not  chinese  algae  eater  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 Hi  Rocky,
 
 Thanks  for  pointing  it  out.  It  stands  updated  !
 
 Also,  my  location  is  Bangalore,  Malleshwaram  area.
 
 
                                                 
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 If  anybody  has  heard/seen/have  Ameca  splendens  ,  please  update  me.  A  pair  of  those  might  be  nice,  as  I  have  read  that  they  munch  on  hair-algae.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 Rohit  with  fish  you  only  treat  the  symptoms.
 
 Your  efforts  should  be  to  eliminate  the  cause.
 
 How  bad  is  your  BBA  infection?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 Hi  Madan,
 
 Thanks  for  the  reply.  I  have  less  of  an  algae  as  compared  to  before,  but  the  BBA  still  persists.
 
 The  cause  I  am  not  very  sure,  if  it  is  water,  then  unfortunately  for  me,  I  can't  fix  it.  So,  somehow,  I  have  to  make  sure  they  get  eaten  up  when  they  are  still  edible  for  the  fishes.  I  have  one  Siamese  and  one  Pelco,  they  are  pretty  good  at  algae  cleaning,  however  they  wont  touch  the  old  grown  ones.  Now  my  only  option  is  to  remove  the  plants  that  have  them,  and  make  sure  I  have  enough  stock  of  Siamese  to  prevent  its  re-occurance.  I  have  them  even  on  my  gravel.
 
 I  dont  want  to  give  any  kind  of  shock  treatment  because  it  wont  fix  the  long  term  problem,  and  the  algae   doesnt  harm  the  fishes  anyway.  My  option,  is  to  have  some  kind  of   symbiotic  relationship  in  tank  to  keep  things  in  balance.
 
 Anyways,  next  month,  I  am  going  for  the  tank  makeover,  but  I  need  to  prepared  this  time.  Gravel  and  filter  sponges  I  will  be  re-using  because  of  huge  colony  of  bacteria  they  have  !  I  will  be  going  for  Walstad  makeup  as  I  am  into  completely  balanced  ecology  in  the  tank,  with  very  few/none  external  support  like  CO2.  
 
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Rohit  with  fish  you  only  treat  the  symptoms.
 
 Your  efforts  should  be  to  eliminate  the  cause.
 
 How  bad  is  your  BBA  infection?                
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 BBA  will  trouble  you  if  you  have  deficient  CO2.
 
 Try  to  increase  CO2  dosing  and  observe  for  a  few  weeks.  The  BBA  should  go  off  on  it's  own.
 
 I  am  convinced  to  a  large  extent  that  CO2  deficiency  =  algae.
 
 Tom  Barr  said  this  a  few  years  ago,  and  almost  everytime  I  have  an  algae  outbreak  now,  it's  CO2  that's  the  culprit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

                                                   
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BBA  will  trouble  you  if  you  have  deficient  CO2.
 
 Try  to  increase  CO2  dosing  and  observe  for  a  few  weeks.  The  BBA  should  go  off  on  it's  own.
 
 I  am  convinced  to  a  large  extent  that  CO2  deficiency  =  algae.
 
 Tom  Barr  said  this  a  few  years  ago,  and  almost  everytime  I  have  an  algae  outbreak  now,  it's  CO2  that's  the  culprit.                

 
 Madan,
 I  have  pressurised  CO2  being  diffused  by  an  internal  reactor.  I  also  have  very  hard  water.  Now  any  increase  in  the  CO2  doen't  get  dissolved,  but  starts  accumulating  in  the  reactor.
 Is  there  a  limit  to  how  much  CO2  I  can  pump  in  my  water?
 I  am  estimating  between  15  and  18  ppm  CO2  in  the  tank  atm.
 
 Sorry  for  the  off  topic  post.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 @Madan,  Pradeep
 Will  a  high  CO2  content  to  the  extent  of  its  saturation  harm  or  stress  the  fish  in  any  way  ?
 Also,  any  way  I  can  measure  the  CO2  content  in  water  ?
 
 
                                                 
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 I  have  pressurised  CO2  being  diffused  by  an  internal  reactor.  I  also  have  very  hard  water.  Now  any  increase  in  the  CO2  doen't  get  dissolved,  but  starts  accumulating  in  the  reactor.
                 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 Yes  ,  you  are  right  Madan.  Without  sufficient  CO2,  algae  out-competes  plants.  However,  I  do  not  use  external  CO2  generator.  I  guess,  my  option  should  be  to  have  more  bacteria  colonies   Exclamation  After  its  their  job  to  make  Co2  !
 
 
                                                 
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BBA  will  trouble  you  if  you  have  deficient  CO2.
 
 Try  to  increase  CO2  dosing  and  observe  for  a  few  weeks.  The  BBA  should  go  off  on  it's  own.
 
 I  am  convinced  to  a  large  extent  that  CO2  deficiency  =  algae.
 
 Tom  Barr  said  this  a  few  years  ago,  and  almost  everytime  I  have  an  algae  outbreak  now,  it's  CO2  that's  the  culprit.                
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 There  are  test  kits  and  CO2  checkers  which  are  expensive  and  not  available  easily.
 
 You  can  check  your  Kh  and  pH  and  derive  the  CO2  content  from  a  table.  It's  on  IAH  somewhere.
 
 High  CO2  content  will  not  harm  fish  that  are  already  there  in  the  aquarium  upto  a  certain  extent  (35  ppm  dissolved  CO2).  New  fish  should  be  added  to  this  aquarium  at  a  water  change.  You  will  not  have  trouble  with  algaewhen  your  CO2  gets  to  20-30  ppm  at  a  pH  of  7.0
 
 Pradeep,
 
 At  a  pH  above  7.5  dissolved  CO2  is  not  available  as  CO2  to  plants  but  as  HCO3-,  assimilation  of  which  is  energy  intensive.
 
 High  hardness  is  High  pH  invariably  to  start  with,  now  if  you  reduce  your  pH  by  addition  of  CO2  to  about  7.0  you  are  better  off.  But  the  CO2  concentration  may  get  high,  depending  on  the  original  pH  you  started  with.  Kh-pH  relationship.
 
 That  is  why  ADA  Amazonia  and  Seachem  Onyx  are  substrates  that  acidify  the  water  and  bring  down  the  pH  to  6.5  so  that  plants  utilise  minimum  energy  for  carbon  assimilation  and  hence  grow  fast  thereby  out  competing  Algae  for  nutrients  in  the  water  column.
 
 These  substrates  kind  off  even  out  high  pH  water  that  some  aquarists  start   with,  and  try  to  provide  a  level  playing  field.
 
 Carbon  assimilation  from  CO2  places  the  least  demand  on  plants,  so  they  do  not  need  to  synthesise  other  energy  intensive  enzymes  that  are  required  to  utilise  HCO3-.  
 
 If  you  are  getting  algae  with  ADA  or  Seachem  substrates,  up  the  CO2  levels.
 This  is  the  culprit.
 
 You'll  need  to  increase  the  water  flow/agitation  in  the  reactor  for  for  all  the  CO2  to  dissolve,  another  point  in  a  reactor  just  as  high  concentration  of  one  gas  CO2  dissolves  in  water  which  has  a  lower  concentration,  some  amount  of  other  gases  O2  in  water  for  example  will  diffuse  back  to  the  gasesous  environment  which  is  deficient  in  O2.
 
 In  my  tanks  I  find  an  accumulation  of  gas  by  evening  in  the  reactor,  but  in  the  morning  there  is  no  accumulation  of  gas  in  the  reactor.  At  night  as  O2  levels  drop  in  the  water  the  O2  in  the  reactor  dissolves  back  into  the  water.
 
 Have  you  observed  this?
 
 After  all  this  if  you  still  have  trouble,  reduce  your  lighting  +  dosing  and  go  for  a  slow  growth  tank.
 
 And  now  the  worst  piece  of  information  -  BBA  loves  CO2,  that's  why  you  see  it  growing  ON  the  return  pipe  from  your  reactor,  but  if  it  get's  out  competed  for  other  nutrients  then  it  will  barely  be  visible  anywhere  else  in  your  aquarium.
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 Here  is  a  table  giving  you  dissolved  CO2  ppm  with  respect  to  measured  Kh  and  pH
 
       pH     6.0     6.2     6.4     6.6      6.8     7.0     7.2     7.4     7.6      7.8            8.0
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 KH
 0.5  |         15     9.3     5.9     3.7     2.4     1.5     .93     .59     .37        .24         .15
 1.0  |         30   18.6   11.8     7.4     4.7     3.0     1.7     1.2     .74      .47         .30
 1.5  |         44     28     17.6   11.1     7.0     4.4     2.8     1.8     1.11   .70         .44
 2.0  |         59     37      24     14.8     9.4      5.9     3.7     2.4     1.48   .94         .59
 2.5  |         73     46      30     18.5     11.8     7.3     4.6     3.0     1.85   1.18      .73
 3.0  |         87     56      35      22        14.0     8.7     5.6     3.5     2.2     1.40        .87
 3.5  |        103     65      41      26      16.4     10.3     6.5     4.1     2.6   1.64      1.03
 4.0  |        118     75      47      30      18.7     11.8     7.5     4.7     3.0   1.87      1.18
 5.0  |        147     93      59      37        23      14.7      9.3     5.9     3.7     2.3      1.47
 6.0  |        177   112      71      45        28      17.7   11.2   7.1     4.5     2.8      1.77
 8.0  |        240   149      94      59        37        24     14.9     9.4     5.9     3.7      2.4
 10.  |        300   186      118     74        47      30     18.6   11.8   7.4      4.7     3.0
 15.  |        440   280      176   111        70      44      28      17.6   11.1   7.0     4.4
 20.  |        590   370      240   148        94      59      37      24        14.8   9.4     5.9
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 how  to  calculate  PH  and  KH  of  an  aquarium?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: WTB Siamese Algae Eater Reply with quote

 Test.  Not  calculate.
 
 Buy  a  pH  Meter  /  pH  test  Kit  and  a  Kh  test  kit.
 
 Honestly  tell  me  something,  are  you  serious  with  your  question?
 
 If  you  are,  then  it  just  goes  to  prove  that  there  is  no  stupid  question.
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