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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Hello  friends,  I  would  like  to  start  an  outdoor  planted  cement  aquarium.   I  have  the  following  plants  already  in  place
   
 Cabomba
 Hygrophila  Polysperma
 Ceratopteris  thalictroides
 Vallisneria
 Cryptocoryne  wendtii  (thank  you  aquaholic)
 water  lilly  (thank  you  aquaholic)
 amazon  sword
 two  more  unidentified  plants
 
 Size  is  approx  4'  X  1.5'  X  1.5',  gets  about  3  to  4  hours  of  direct  sunlight.   Plants  are  potted  and  were  put  in   about  2  weeks  back,  have  been  doing  partial  water  changes  since  start.
 
 I  have  put  in  2  adult  sword  tails  one  male  and  one  female  yesterday.  My  problem  is  that  green  algae  is  forming  on  the  side  walls.   I  would  like  to  put  in  an  algae  eater,  which  fish  do  you  suggest  I  put  in  ?   Ultimately  I  would  like  to  put  in  live  bearers  and  gold  fishes  in  this  tank.  Read  somewhere  that  putting  common  pleco  along  with  gold  fishes  is  not  a  good  idea.   So  kindly  suggest  an  alternative.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Anything  that  has  direct  sunlight  is  most  likely  to  get  algae.   Also  for  the  rosettes  like  amazons,  pots  seldom  work  as  they  give  out  long  roots.   Its  better  to  have  a  full  substrate  and  a  couple  of  power  filters  around  the  corners  so  that  there  will  be  water  circulation  in  all  parts  of  the  tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 get  a  garden  shade  and  put  it  on  top  of  your  cement  tank,  that  way  you  will  get  diffused  sunlight  and  wont  face  algae.
 
 I  suggest  you  go  for  ottocinclus,  but  I  think  you  should  ideally  wait  for  at  least  a  month  before  you  introduce  them  to  your  setup.
 
 Hope  this  helps.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Throw  in  a  couple  of  tilapia  fry.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

                                                   
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Anything  that  has  direct  sunlight  is  most  likely  to  get  algae.   Also  for  the  rosettes  like  amazons,  pots  seldom  work  as  they  give  out  long  roots.   Its  better  to  have  a  full  substrate  and  a  couple  of  power  filters  around  the  corners  so  that  there  will  be  water  circulation  in  all  parts  of  the  tank.                

 
 I  didn't  add  substate  as  I  felt  cleaning  a  bare  bottom  with  siphon  will  be  easier  with  potted  plants.  I  haven't  thought  of  filter  ,  is  it  really  necessary  if  you  have  lots  of  plants  in  the  tank  ?  I  plan  to  siphon  clean  the  tank  and  do  WC  every  few  weeks.  please  advice  regarding  filteration
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Cleaning  a  tank  with  pots  is  an  even  greater  pain  than  cleaning  a  substrate  filled  tank.  I  agree  with  Madhu  on  both  the  issues  of  algae  and  having  a  substrate  for  your  rosette  plants.  
 
 A  4"  deep  substrate  with  laterite  bottom  will  do  wonders.  A  shade  net  is  an  absolute  necessity  to  maintain  temperature  and  filter  sunlight.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Ultimately  I  would  like  to  put  in  live  bearers  and  gold  fishes  in  this  tank.
                 

 
 Roopesh  -  Keeping  Goldfish  in  a  planted  tank  is  not  a  good  idea.  You  might  want  to  reconsider  that.
 
 Algae  is  due  to  the  direct  sunlight  your  tank  gets.  Try  using  some  kind  of  mesh  to  diffuse  the  sunlight.  You  could  look  at  adding  Otto's  ,  but  pleco's  again  is  not  a  good  idea  since  they  grow  quite  big  and  could  end  up  messing  up  your  plants.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Severumkid  -  will  get  a  garden  shade,  fixing  it  will  be  easy  as
 I  already  have  a  net  lid  with  wooden  frame  made.  as  for   ottocinclus,  I  don't  know  where  I  can  find  one,  will  try  to  get  it.
 
 retro_gk  -  won't  tilapia  when  they  grow  up  be  too  big  for  my  tank  ?  also  aren't  they  aggressive  ?
 
 Seetharam  -  I  didn't  know  that  gold  fish  should  not  be  kept  in  planted  tank,  but  then  I  had  seen  a  lot  of  cement  tanks  and  ponds  with  gold  fish.  how  do  they  manage  it  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 @  Roopesh  -  Goldfish  will  eat  up  some  of  the  plants  that  you  have  like  Combamba  for  example......they  are  kept  in  ponds  and  tanks  but  with  very  hardy  plants.
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 I  maybe  able  to  get  2  siamese  algae  eaters.  how  do  they  compare  with  ottocinclus  in  their  ability  to  eat  algae  ?  also  do  they  harm  gold  fish  ?  please  clarify  ..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Roopesh,  you  simply  replace  the  tilapia  when  they  get  to  about  3".
 
 Personally,  I  do  not  have  any  issues  with  plants  in  pots  outdoors  or  goldfish  in  such  setups.  Such  setups  are  very  common.  Don't  bother  siphoning  the  tank  or  anything,  you  are  likely  to  lose  lots  of  fry  and  it  really  won't  do  much  good  for  the  appearance  of  the  tank.  Just  top  up  evaporation  losses.  The  plants  and  algae  will  take  care  of  biological  filtration.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Its  cryptocoryne  spiralis  not  wendtii.
 
 Like  Debarghya  suggested,  use  garden  shade  top.  Yea,  dont  bother  to  clean,  siphon,  filter  etc  etc  just  leave  it  as  it  is  and  it  will  become  an  ecosystem  on  its  own.
 
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Its  cryptocoryne  spiralis  not  wendtii.
 
 Cheers
 
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   Very Happy     Thanks  for  the  correction...  I  am  not  much  into  plants,  so  did  not  know  the  difference  b/w  them
 
 
                                                 
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 Roopesh,  you  simply  replace  the  tilapia  when  they  get  to  about  3  inches
 
 The  plants  and  algae  will  take  care  of  biological  filtration.
                 

 
 Good  suggestion,  but  procuring  tilapia  will  be  diffcult  for  me..  will  have  to  enquire  at  some  LFS.  Plants  and  algae  can  take  care  of  biological  filtration,  but  what  about  the  mechanical  part  ?   and  also  what  about  the  fish  poop  that  will  collect  at  the  bottom  ?  Should'nt  it  be  siphoned  out
 
 What  do  you  people  think  of  the  siamese  alage  eater  ?   Is  it  a  peaceful  community  fish,  that  can  be  added  along  with  gold  fish  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an outdoor cement aquarium Reply with quote

 Come  with  us  next  time  Vincent  and  I  head  out  Very Happy  You  can  have  all  the  tilapia  you  want.
 
 The  fish  poop  will  soon  degrade  into  a  cottony  accumulation  (google  "mulm")  which  will  eventually  disappear.
 
 I've  had  outdoor  tanks  that  went  10+  years  without  any  siphoning  and  looked  none  the  worse  for  it.
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Come  with  us  next  time  Vincent  and  I  head  out  Very Happy  You  can  have  all  the  tilapia  you  want.
 
                 

 
   Thumbs Up  Most  definitely  I  will,  waiting  for  that  date...
 
 
 But  what  is  your  opinion  about  siamese  algae  eater..
 
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