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 Trevor,  
 
 I  have  no  intention  of  using  any  kind  of  dung.  I  do  all  that  stuff  on  my  terrace.  I  use  PMDD  (It  has  turned  brown  from  green)  Shocked.  So,  you  may  safely  come  to  my  place.    Razz  
 
 Do  tell  us  about  your  "past  experience".  :wink:  
 
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 Never  had  the  guts  to  use  animal  manure.  The  only  animals  around  my  place  are  dogs  and  cats.  :lol:  
 
 The  past  experience  are  the  experiments  of  the  more  innovative  planted  nuts  of  Bangalore.
 
 Its  too  delicate  an  issue  to  be  put  on  the  net.
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Its  too  delicate  an  issue  to  be  put  on  the  net.                

 
 Gotta  corner  you  then  and  pry  it  out  of  you.  Gosh!  Can't  believe  I'm  so  curious!  Razz  
 
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 Here  is  a  Gobar  story.  All  true.  Every  word.
 
 Once  upon  a  time  a  planted  tank  enthusiast  (owner  from  now  on  )  without  heeding  advice  went  to  a  plant  nursery  looking  for  laterite  and  after  a  long  talk  with  the  gardener  there  picked  up  red  soil  (  laterite  )  and  a  bag  of  cowdung.
 
 He  came  back  home,  and  mixed  laterite  with  the  cowdung  and  gravel  and  put  it  down  as  the  bottom  layer  in  the  aquarium.  He  then  added  more  gravel  and  plonked  in  all  the  plants.
 
 A  couple  of  days  later  a  second  planted  enthusiast  hearing  about  the  excellent  substrate  this  guy  had  developed  landed  up  at  his  place  to  learn.
 
 There  was  a  faint  sweet  smell  prevailing  in  his  drawing  room.  The  second  planted  enthusiast  could  not  place  the  smell  exactly  so  he  sniffed  around  and  went  home.
 
 A  couple  of  days  passed  and  this  second  guy  wanted  to  investigate  the  smell  again,  before  he  duplicated  the  substrate,  so  he  lands  up  in  the  first  guys  home  again,  but  encounters  a  STRONG  foul  smell  right  at  the  gate.  He  gags  and  almost  faints.
 
 He  holds  his  dear  breath  and  enters  the  house  and  calls  out  to  the  owner,  the  owner  emerges,  the  second  guy  says  to  him  "  I  wanted  to  see  your  Planted  tank  substrate".
 
 In  answer  the  owner  says  "No  more  planted  aquarium,  my  wife  almost  threw  me  out  with  the  substrate  that  is  next  to  the  Gate."
 
 Now  we  wondered  why  the  good  lady  spared  her  husband  after  enduring  torture  for  about  a  week?
 
 The  answer  -  she  needed  someone  to  take  out  the  substrate.
 
 That  is  the  Gobar  story  without  any  exaggeration  what  so  ever.
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 :lol:    :lol:  
 
 And  I  guess  both  these  gentlemen  are  on  IAH  now...  :wink:  
 
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 The  second  one  is  around  lurking.
 The  first  I  honestly  don't  know.
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The  second  one  is  around  lurking...                

 
 Still!!!!!
 
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 If  Jenny  would  have  gone  for  dungs  then  history  would  have  repeated  itself!    :lol:    :lol:
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 But  then  how  does  Sujoy(joyban)    still  living  at  his  house?  His  setup  doesn't  seem  to  stink.  More  WC  can  be  the  solution  maybe.  Sujoy  throw  more  light  on  this.  Does  your  10  min  water  overflow  formula  giving  you  good  results
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 I  have  tried  it  too  in  the  past.  I  thought  if  its  good  for  land  plants  it  should  be  good  for  aquatic  plants  too.
 Well  the  substrate  started  pearling  after  a  few  days  and  that  was  my  last  planted  tank.  :lol:
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 I  think  the  idea  is  to  place  SMALL  balls  of  dung  in  the  substrate  and  not  spread  a  layer  of  the  stuff...awesome  story  by  the  way...  can't  stop  laughing,  my  lab-mates  are  giving  me  strange  looks  now  :lol:    :lol:    :lol:  
 
 There  are  accounts  of  people  using  rabbit  dung  as  fertilizer  pellets  with  very  good  results...anyone  keep  rabbits/guinea  pigs/pet  mice??
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 What  you  should  place  in  the  substrate  is  decomposed  animal  waste  in  very  small  amounts.
 
 Fresh  animal  waste  will  decompose  at  a  phenomenal  rate  in  water.  Your  plants  cannot  cope  up  with  the  noxious  ammonia/H2S  release,  algae  takes  over  the  water  becomes  very  acidic  and  plants  cannot  tolerate  the  low  pH.
 
 More  over  even  massive  water  changes  initially  will  not  get  rid  of  the  toxins  and  ammonia.
 
 I  have  tried  the  processed  manure  pellets  available  in  the  gardening  sections  of  super  markets,  disaster,  green  water  and  all  kinds  of  floating  organisms  in  the  small  tank  I  set  up  using  just  2  pellets.  I  very  quickly  gave  the  pellets  to  my  gardener.
 
 It  might  work  in  the  case  potted  plants  placed  in  10  inch  or  so  deep  pots.  A  small  amount  of  dung  at  the  bottom  covered  with  lots  of  gravel.  The  gas  then  collects  at  the  bottom  of  the  pot  and  once  in  a  while  burps  out  as  huge  bubbles.  Fish  are  at  risk  initially,  until  all  the  gases  are  expelled.
 
 How  do  you  estimate  if  the  dung  you  have  has  decomposed  enough.  There's  no  way  you  can  know.
 
 I  keep  away  from  all  dung.  :lol:
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green  water  and  all  kinds  of  floating  organisms                  

 
 FRY  FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!  :lol:
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Here  is  a  Gobar  story.  All  true.  Every  word.                  

 
 ROFL.    :lol:  No  wonder  poor  Trevor  got  a  real  fright!  :wink:  
 
 
                                                 
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If  Jenny  would  have  gone  for  dungs  then  history  would  have  repeated  itself!                

 
 Oh  no,  Madhu!  even  the  slightest  whiff  of  anything  unpleasant,  my  folks  look  at  me  with  accusing  eyes.  So,  whenever  my  hand  is  not  stuck  into  one  of  my  tanks,  my  nose  is!  :wink:  
 
 Cool  story,  Madan!  Very Happy  
 
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 I  have  seen  that  once  the  cow  dung  is  dried  by  placing  in  the  sun  then  it  looses  its  smell  and  also  if  we  put  the  powdered  dung  in  the  water  it  does  not  produce  the  foul  smell  that  you  guys  are  referring  to.  It  can  be  then  powdered  and  used  in  the  laterite.  I  had  used  the  same  for  my  pond  which  has  lotus  in  it  and  found  that  it  is  quite  ok.  We  even  had  lots  of  fishes  in  it  and  all  of  them  were  fine.
 
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