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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 Hi,
 I  would  like  to  make  a  tank  stand  to  place  about  3  3ftrs  in  it.
 (Actually  2  3ftrs  but  a  breeder  or  2  on  top.  so  lets  assume  3  3ftr  for  lack  of  confusion)
 all  3  tanks  have  the  following  dimension  36Lx18w
 2  thanks  will  have  ht  21  these  are  to  be  placed  on  the  top  most  
 and  the  middle.  The  lowermost  tank  will  have  a  height  of  18inch.
 The  dimension  of  the  rack  i  intend  to  keep  44x20,  about  an  inch
 extra  from  the  tanks  on  the  sides  and  back.
 I  intend  to  use  1  inch  square  steel  for  the  frame  and  supports  is  this  enough?
 Or  incase  it  is  not  please  recommend  me  the  material.
 On  top  of  this  for  the  3  tiers  I  intend  to  place  ply  wood  cut  in  size,  
 on  top  of  which  thermocole  and  then  the  tanks.
 The  lower  most  tier  will  be  only  3  inchs  off  the  ground.
 I  would  like  8-9  inchs  of  working  space  between  the  tank  top  and  the  next  tier
 is  this  sufficient  for  handling  discus  carefully?
 So,  all  in  all  the  first  tier  at  a  height  of  3  inchs.
 The  second  tier  at  the  height  of  3+18+9=30  so  I'll  start  it  at  30inchs  off  the  ground.
 The  3rd  tier,  since  this  tank  is  to  be  21inchs  high  on  the  second  tier,  I  
 intend  to  start  the  top  tier  at  60~61inchs  off  the  ground.  Considering  that  I  am  72inchs,
 I  will  still  need  a  stool  to  work  on  the  top  tank/s.
 So  is  my  planning  ok?  Please  let  me  know  if  this  is  even  possible?l
 What  materials  to  use?
 Comments  and  suggestions  please  ...
 Thanks  for  all  the  help.
 I  am  a  novice  in  DIY  so  a  'fabricator'  will  be  coming  by.
 Please  let  me  know  the  approx  cost?
 Are  the  support  beams  placed  ok?  OR  should  anything  be  changed?
 The  picture  is  below  to  help  you  understand  my  design.
 What  if  I  want  to  make  this  stand  in  a  slightly  bigger  dimension  say  
 52x20  to  place  4ftrs  instead  of  3?  By  how  much  should  my  material  change?  And/or  my  design
 Thank  you  for  all  the  help...
 Have  a  great  weekend.
 
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 One  thing  I  would  recommend  is  keep  the  bottom  layer  higher.  Siphoning  could  be  a  problem  if  it  is  just  3  inches  off  the  ground.
 
 Use  Marine  ply  for  the  shelves.  Have  cross  bars  for  the  shelves  else  you  will  have  the  plywood  supported  only  on  the  edges  and  so  would  have  to  extend  them  beyond  the  frame.
 
 Leave  adequate  space  above  the  tanks  for  the  lighting  and  for  working  in  the  tank.
 
 Suggest  you  design  the  plumbing  also  before  you  setup  the  tanks.
 
 1  inch  square  steel  sounds  OK  but  its  a  guess.  My  4  footer  is  on  the  same  material  stand.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 Keep  the  lowermost  tier  6"  off  the  ground,  with  6"  of  clearance  between  the  tank  and  the  shelf  above  it.  Thus,  you  will  have  shelves  at  6",  30"  and  57".
 
 I  do  not  use  anything  for  the  shelves,  just  have  square  rods/1"  wide  strips,  as  cross  braces,  spaced  12"  apart.  The  styrofoam  sits  on  top  of  this.  I  have  everything  from  18x6x6  to  60x18x12  tanks  on  such  racks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

                                                   
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 back.
 I  intend  to  use  1  inch  square  steel  for  the  frame  and  supports  is  this  enough?
                 

 Why  do  you  need  a  one  inch  square  ?  Use  the  normal  structural  Mild  steel  angle.  I  have  used  1  1/2"  x  1  1/2"  x  1/4"  angle  for  a  similar  stand.  
 An  'L'  angle.  Smile  
 The  thickness  of  the  angle  plate  will  be  around  six  mm.  The  two  sides  38  mm.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 ..after  reading  your  comments  slight  alterations:
 1.  Height  of  the  lowest  tier  is  6inchs.  All  others  will  increase  proportionately.
 2.  I  was  thinking  of  1inch  square  pipe  instead  of  1.5  inch  angels  as  these  would  provide  we  with  more  strength.
 3.  I  like  the  idea  of   just  have  square  rods/1"  wide  strips,  as  cross  braces,  spaced  12"  apart  as  Rahul  suggested,  this  way  I  can  avoid  ply  wood,  So  if  my  lets  say  3  support  cross  beams  is   sufficient?
 4.  Yes  I  did  think  about  plumbing,  but  it  will  only  be  done  if  I  get  all  the  tanks  at  once,  but  thats  not  the  case,  I  intend  to  only  have  3  tanks  to  start  with.
 WC  will  have  to  be  done  manual  for  now.
 
 Any  other  suggestions...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Why  do  you  need  a  one  inch  square  ?  Use  the  normal  structural  Mild  steel  angle.                  

 
 The  1"  square  is  significantly  less  expensive  here   Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 ..ok  After  a  few  web  searches.
 This  is  what  I  have  explained  to  my  'fabricator'
 I  really  liked  the  idea  of  having  to  be  able  to  dismantle  the  whole  thing  if  needed.
 Also  I  can  arrange  the  tiers  an  and  when  whatever  the  height  I  want.
 As  I  just  have  to  remove  a  few  nuts  and  bolts  and  it  can  be  moved  up  or  down.
 
 Have  a  look  an  let  me  know...
 
 
 
 
 
 Comments  and  suggestions  welcome.
 Sized  proposed,  is  50x20  are  the  tiers  and  the  4  support  beams  are  5  feet  and  6inch  high.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 Hi  Nanu,
 I  wanted  to  give  you  this  same  example  but  I  coudn't  get  the  time  to  take  pics.
 This  is  what  I  use  for  my  rack  and  it  works  great.  You  have  a  lot  of  leeway  to  modify  the  rack  according  to  your  requirement.
 
 You  also  get  an  L  shaped  metal  pieces  which  you  can  bolt  on  at  the  corners  for  additional  support.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 hi  nanu,  it  will  be  the  best  option  for  you.
 you  can  change  the  gap  between  2  racks  with  the  help  of  bolts
 go  for  it  Thumb Up
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 Why  do  you  need  a  one  inch  square  ?  Use  the  normal  structural  Mild  steel  angle.                  

 
 The  1"  square  is  significantly  less  expensive  here   Smile                

 
 A  one  inch  square  is  solid  steel.  A  one  inch  square  pipe  is  hollow  and  can  have  different  gauges  or  wall  thickness.  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 I  use  this  as  well  in  my  fish  room  but  was  a  little  apprehensive  of  loading  3  and  4  foot  tanks  on  this.  Better  get  the  heavy  gauge  ones.
 
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 I  agree  with  VKv  ,  with  so  many  tanks  it  might  be  better  to  get  support  in  the  middle  as  well.  6  legs  totaly  with  one  more  support  in  the  middle.  looks  like  a  better  idea,  i  am  not  sure  of  teh  guage  that  you  might  need  to  use  because  the  whole  thing  will  weigh  a  lot.  
 
 Also  what  is  the  way  you  are  going  to  fix  the  rack  to  wall.  Think  about  that  as  well.  
 
 Its  sounds  very  exciting  all  the  best  
 
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 The  steel  slotted  angles  are  used  for  general  storage  systems  and  a  two  mm  plate  is  used.  
 I  have  suggested  a  6mm  angle  plate.  Here  you  can  stand  on  the  lower  tier  to  peek  into  the  the  top  tier  tanks.  Chuckle  
 
 In  an  emergency  a  three  tier  system  using  normal  slotted  angles  could  bend  or  give  way.  
 Although  some  have  used  slotted  angles  successfully  for  peace  of  mind  you  take  a  call.  Smile  
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 What  if  the  rack  is  only  for  3ftrs?
 I  mean  2  3ftrs  on  the  lower  2  racks  and  2  1.5ft  cube  breeders  on  the  top  most?
 Will  the  slotted  ones  be  fine  then.
 As  I  do  like  the  idea  of  having  slotted  support  beams  because  the  convenience  of  dismantling  the  whole  structure  as  well  as  being  able  to  alter  the  height  of  the  tires  as  and  when  required.  
 If  i  have  a  support  beam  in  the  centre  then  how  will  i  ever  be  able  to  place  tanks  in  the  two  lower  tiers?  I  can  place  the  tanks  and  then  place  the  final  support  beam  in  front  if  it  can  simply  be  screwed  on.Will  a  support  beam  be  enough  if  i  have  six  legs  in  total  for  four  footers?
 
   Ranjeet,  the  entire  tank  is  standalone  and  will  not  be  fixed  to  any  wall  as  such.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Help me make a Fish Rack :-) Reply with quote

 Dear  Nanu,
             I  have  a  similar  rack,  whcih  I  use  as  book  shelf.  it  does  not  take  much  weights.  the  vertical  support  rod  twists  and  makes  the  whole  structure  unstable.  I  personally  will  not  suggest  that  for  Fish  tanks.
 
             Thats  my  experirence  with  these  types  of  racks,  there  are  various  parameters  -  like  quality  of  steel,  thickness  of  the  support  columns  etc.
 
               Make  sure  whether  it  can  take  the  weight  of  a  fully  filled  tank.
 
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