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some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be feeded

 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be feeded Reply with quote

 hi  all,  i  came  to  know  from  various  sites  that  live  fishes  and  tubifex  worms  shouldnt  b  feeded  for  flower  horns,  but  the  man  in  out  petstore  says  that  live  fishes  can  b  feeded  to  fh,  pls  help  me  in  this  regard
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

 Tubifex:  You  can  feed,  however  would  suggest  not  to  as  it  comes  from  sewers  and  you  never  know  what  dieases  they  might  carry.  
 
 Alternate  Option:  Freeze  Dried  Tubefix  Worms  and  Freeze  Dried  OR  Live  Blood  Worms
 
 Live  Fish:  Yes  you  can,  but  i  would  advice  not  to  for  2  reasons.  First  and  foremost  its  not  right  to  do  so  and  Second  because  if  the  live  fish  you  feed  is  infected  then  your  FH  will  get  infected  as  well.  
 
 Alternate  Option:  Frozen  Shrimp  that  you  get  in  supermarkets  and  BHM  (Beef  Heart  Mix)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

 There  is  one  more  thing  regarding  Live  Fish:   if  your  cichlids  get  used  to  a  diet  of  live  fish  only,  breaking  the  habit  will  be  sheer  torture.   i  used  to  feed  live  fish  quite  often,  but  when  my  cichlids  stopped  eating  other  food,  i  was  forced  to  starve  them  for  4  days  to  break  the  habit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

 tubifex  -  less  nutrition  -  lot  of  risk  of  infection
 bloodworms  -  more  nutrition  -  risk  of  infection  (can  be  cleaned)
 live  fish  -  more  nutrition  -  risk  of  infection  (can  be  quarantined  for  7  days,  or  bred  at  home.)
 Pellets  -  better  nutrition  -  virtually  no  risk  (except  overfeeding  or  hormones)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

                                                   
gmankekar  wrote  (View  Post):                

 Pellets  -  better  nutrition  -  virtually  no  risk  (except  overfeeding  or  hormones)                

 
 Agree  that  there  is  some  degree  of  risk  in  all  live  foods.  But  better  nutrition  in  pellets  is  too  far  fetched.  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

                                                   
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hi  all,  i  came  to  know  from  various  sites  that  live  fishes  and  tubifex  worms  shouldnt  b  feeded  for  flower  horns,  but  the  man  in  out  petstore  says  that  live  fishes  can  b  feeded  to  fh,  pls  help  me  in  this  regard                

 
 Hi.  I  would  not  use  Tubifex  worms  as  they  are  disease  carriers  unless  well  rinsed.  These  worms  can  carry  whirling  disease  (Myxobolus-a  sporozoan  disease  of  salmonids,  but  it  can  sometime  infect  aquarium  fishes),  pathogenic  bacteria  and  even  nematodes.   The  freeze-dried  form  does  not  have  the  disease  problem,  but  I  am  unsure  of  the  nutritional  value.
 
 With  live  feeders,  such  as  goldfish,  it's  a  matter  of  you  are  what  you  eat.  Unless  the  feeders  are  fed  a  nutritious  diet,  their  value  as  a  feeder  fish  is  dubious.  Also,  continuous  feeding  of  live  goldfish  may  result  in  avitaminosis  A.  There  is  also  a  major  risk  of  introducing  parasites  such  as  Argulus,  Lernea,  monogeneans,  digeneans,  etc.
 
 As  to  using  pellets,  if  stored  properly  (refrigerated  or  frozen)  before  use,  and  if  they  are  nutritious  to  begin  with,  these  foods  are  actually  better  than  live  foods.  Remember,  if  live  foods  are  not  fed,  their  nutritional  value  goes  down  over  time.  As  an  example,  lets  look  at  Artemia  nauplii.
 
 Carbohydrates:  6.46%  ±  3.94  (newly  hatched)   5.61%  ±  1.06  (24  hours  old)
 Choline  mg/100g      102  (NH)     97.6  (24H)
 Thiamine  mg/100g   0.141  (NH)   0.13  (24H)
 Ascorbic  Acid  mg/100g   3.11  (NH)   1.45(24H)
 Vitamin  E  Activity  IU/kg   454.5  ±  30.1  (NH)   381.7  ±  8.2(24H)
 
 As  these  values  would  continue  to  decrease  unless  the  nauplii  were  fed.  Pelleted  foods  do  not  have  this  problem  if  stored  properly.   Heat  is  an  enemy  of  fish  food,  so  refrigerating  or  freezing  these  foods,  and  using  them  up  within  a  7-8  month  period,  is  best.
 
 Another  option,  and  one  I  use  quite  a  bit,  is  gelatin  diet.   I  use  Mazuri  aquatic  gel  (www.mazuri.com).  It's  mixed  as  needed,  and  is  nutritionally  complete.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

 That  Mazuri  gel  is  very  interesting.  Does  it  come  in  quantities  smaller  than  1kg?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

                                                   
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Another  option,  and  one  I  use  quite  a  bit,  is  gelatin  diet.   I  use  Mazuri  aquatic  gel  (www.mazuri.com).  It's  mixed  as  needed,  and  is  nutritionally  complete.                

 Thats  quite  interesting  Very Happy  
 Where  is  it  available  in  India?  I  would  like  to  get  some.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:01 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Where  is  it  available  in  India?  I  would  like  to  get  some.
                 

 
 They  do  not  have  a  dealer  in  India.  SG  is  the  closest.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

 how  about  live  blood  worms  it  is  safe  to  use  after  it  has  been  well  rinsed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

 Hi,  you  have  another  option  of  feeding  Tubifex  or  Bloodworm  w/o  risk  of  infection.  Hikari  makes  frozen  cubes  of  these  worms.They  are  cleaned  and  is  supposed  to  be  free  of  dieseases.  Then  instead  of  freeze  drying  they  are  made  into  gelatin  like  cubes  and  then  refrigerated.  So  when  you  put  in  a  cube  in  aquarium  you  get  the  worms  with  their  nutrition  retained  but  minus  the  diseases.  I  think  you  can  get  these  food  in  Bangalore  and  Chennai.  You  can  get  frozen  Brine  Shrimp  too
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: some body says tubifex worms and live fishes shdnt be fe Reply with quote

                                                   
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That  Mazuri  gel  is  very  interesting.  Does  it  come  in  quantities  smaller  than  1kg?                

 
 Not  that  I  am  aware  of.  But  perhaps  they  can  send  you  some  samples  of  this  gel.
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