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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 Hi  Vaibhav  ,  
 
 I  think  the  discus  will  be  more  healthy  and  grows  well  if  its  immune  system  is  working  well  .  If  your  discus  is  eating  well  and  can  able  to  digest   well  ,  your  discus  will  grow  well  without  any  problems  (  white  feces  ,  less  eating  etc  )  .
 
 To  achieve   above  i  think  it  is  better  to  deflagellates  your  discus  on  regular  basis  ,  atleast  once  in  every  three  month  with  Metro,   especially   for  young  growing  discus  .  More  they  eat  ,  more  chances  of  flagellates  outbreak  .
 
 
 Fot  my  breeding  pairs  I   feed  metro  in  feed  with   mild  dose  @  400  mg  for  1  kg  feed  for  12  days  .  
 
 For  young  growing  discus  I  give  heavy  dose  @  1  gm  for  100  gm  of  BHM  (  3  times  feeding  )  for  12  days  .  
 
 For  extreme  conditions  you  need  to  dose  metro  in  water     @1  gm  for  100  ltrs  for  8  -  12  days  alongwith  metro  in  feed  .  best  with  increase  temp  .
 
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 Hi  Shiva,
 
 thank  you  for  your  suggetion  ,  i  knew  you  would  give  the  best  suggetion  Thumb Up  ,  i  more  thing  you  said  (in  some  forum)  that  one  should  also  put  metro  in  the  water  directly  as  well  as  in  the  GH  mix,
 so  should  i  go  for  it  what  do  u  suggest  ......please  tell  me  what  quantity  should  i  use  (when  putting  metro  in  water)
 and  one  more  thing  should  i  use  heater  during  treatment  cause  the  temp  is  already  hot..(what  should  be  the  temp  of  the  heater)
 
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 Vaibhav  ,  
 
 I  think  with  below  two  scenerio  you  can  able  to  understand  better  ,
 
 Case  no  1  :Young  discus   stoped  eating  for  few  days  ,  discharging  white  poo  ,  not  active  .  
 
 1)  Put  heater  and  maintain  the  water  temp  above  31  deg  .Use  good  heater  and  ensure  that  it  cuts  off  timely  .
 2)  Since  your  discus  is  not  eating  ,  feeding  Metro  in  BH  is  of  no  use  ,  so  what   will  you  do  .  so  dose  Metro  in  water  @  1  gm  for  100  ltrs  .  you  can  dose  up  to  1.4  gm  per  100  ltrs  .  
 How  to  do  this  ?  first  dissolve  the  metro  in  luke  warm  water  and  pour  it  in  to  the  tank  .  
 3)  After  two  days  start  Metro  in  feed  ,  they  may  start  eating  .
 How  to  do  this  ?  Take  100  gm  of  BHM  ,  make  it  soft  and   spread  them  thin  on  the  plastic  sheet  like  Roti  .  Make  powder  of  Metro  ,  put  few  drops  of  hot  water  to  make  it  paste  form  and  dissolve  it  fully.  apply  this  Metro  paste  on  Bh  which  you  have  spread  on  plastic  sheet  .  mix  it  well  ,  put  it  in  plastic  zip  bag  like  thin  sheet   and  put  it  in  freezer  .  once  it  is  hard  you  can  feed  your  discus  as  much  as  it  consumes  within  30  minutes  .  minimum  2  feedings  per  day  .  
 
   Once   your  discus  starts   eating  Metro  feed  ,  you  can  discontinue  metro  in  water  .You  need  to  carry  on  this  treatment  for  8  to  12  days  ,  best  for  12  days  .
 
 
 Case  No  2  :  You  Discus  is  eating  well  ,  but  still  you  want  to  De-Flagellate  them  .  Just  follow  Metro  in  Fed  method  as  stated  above  .
 Dosage   for  breeding  pairs  should  be  mild   ,  but  for  young  you  can  give  as  mentioned  above  @1  gm  for  100  gm  BHM  ,  3  times  per  day  for  8  to  12  days  .
 
 
 Hope  now  you  are  clear  on  this  subject  .
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 Hi  Shiva,
 
 thank  you  for  your  suggetion  now  i  am  100%  clear  with  it  ,  thanks  a  lot  ,,
 
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 I  think  this  is  some  good  learning  for  a  new  person  like  me  to  
 
 Thanks  Shiva.
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 Do  not  go  for  unnecessary  medication  on  your  discus  unless  you  are  feeding  live  food.
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 [quote]Do  not  go  for  unnecessary  medication  on  your  discus  unless  you  are  feeding  live  food.  /quote]
 
 In  discus  Keeping  De-  Flagellating  is  very  important  .If  you  want  to  see  your  discus  grow  well  without  any  problem  ,  you  need  to  De-Flagellate  your  discus  regularly  .  Even  you  need  to  clean  them  externally  from  all  parasites  by  using  PP  regularly  .  
 
 Why  to  wait  for  the  problem  to  arise  ,  and  then  go  for  treatment  and  stress  the  discus  .  It  is  always  better  to  take  preventive  measure  instead  .
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 Hi  Mr.  Shiva,  Where  do  I  get  metro  feed  in  Delhi
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 You  can  buy  Metrogyl  tablets  from  any  medical  shop.  
 
 Make  a  solution  in  lightly  warm  water,  soak  discus  food  in  it.  
 
 your  metro  feed  is  ready  Thumb Up  
 
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Hi  Mr.  Shiva,  Where  do  I  get  metro  feed  in  Delhi                  

 
 No  one  sells  Metro  feed  ,  you  need  to  prepare  it  by  your  own  as  suggested  above  .
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

                                                   
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If  you  want  to  see  your  discus  grow  well  without  any  problem  ,  you  need  to  De-Flagellate  your  discus  regularly  .  Even  you  need  to  clean  them  externally  from  all  parasites  by  using  PP  regularly  .  
                 

 
 How  do  these  parasites,  external  and  internal  get  into  our  tanks  after  one  treatment?


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: any treatment for discus Reply with quote

 Rahul,
 
 One  possible  source  is  the  Animal  heart  that  is  fed  to  Discus.  I  will  leave  it  to  Shiva  to  explain  in  detail.
 
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 How  do  these  parasites,  external  and  internal  get  into  our  tanks  after  one  treatment?                

 
 Let  me  try  to  explain  you  ,  
 
 Flagellates  :  In  the  guts  of  the  discus  these  flagellates  are  always  present  in  some  population  ,  even  though  you  do  regular  deflagellating  these  worms  will  remain  in  the  guts  .  If  your  tank  water  condition  is  good  and  your  discus  Immune  system  is  strong  they  are  under  control  ,  but  when  the  water  quality  drops  down  and  when  discus  immune  system  is  down  these  flagellates  multiplies  fast  and  it  takes  control  of  the  discus  .  
 
 When  you  do  deflagellating  ,  you  can  able  to  kill  the  flagellates  ,  but  not  their  eggs  .  Their  eggs  have  some  sort  of  covering  or  casing  due  to  which  our  med  is  ineffective  .  so  again  when  the  tank  water  condition  drops  down  these  eggs  hatches  and  they  again  multiples  and  once  their  population  is  increased  ,  your  discus  bond  to  have  problem  .  so  even  though  you  treat  them  you  are  not  able  to  destroy  them  completely  hence  one  needs  to  deflagellates  the  discus  regularly  .  You  need  to  ensure  that  the  tank  water  condition  is  good  and  your  discus  eats  well  .   The  main  cause  is  poor  water  quality.
 
 
 External  parasites  :  All  hobbyist  and  breeders  always  brings  in  new  fishes  and  plants  in  to  their  tank  /  hatchery  .  these  fishes  carries  alongwith  them  some  parasites  .   
 Feeding  live  feed  also  brings  in  parasites  .
 Even  though  your  water  looks  clean  ,  there  always  exist  parasites  in  your  tank  ,  which  takes  control  of  your  fish  when  the  environment  is  favorable  for  them  .   To  keep  them  under  control  one  needs  to  treat  the  tank  regularly  .
 So  one  should  be  very  careful  while  bringing  in  new  fishes  and  while  feeding  live  freshwater  aquatic  animals  to  their  fishes  .
 
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┬áThe  main  cause  is  poor  water  quality.                

 
 If  we  perform  50-100%  water  changes  on  a  daily/alternate  day/weekly  basis,  where  does  the  poor  water  quality  come  from?
 
 
 
                                                 
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External  parasites  :  All  hobbyist  and  breeders  always  brings  in  new  fishes  and  plants  in  to  their  tank  /  hatchery  .  these  fishes  carries  alongwith  them  some  parasites.                

 
 Isn't  that  why  we  quarantine  new  fish?  Once  they're  quarantined,  there  should  be  no  issue  of  fresh  parasites  coming  in  via  that  source.
 
 
                                                 
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Feeding  live  feed  also  brings  in  parasites.                

 
 I  thought  feeding  live  foods  to  discus  was  a  no-no?
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