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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Dear  Experts,
 
    I  have  succsesfully  keeping  a  FO  tank  for  last  1-1/2  yrs.  Now  i  have  decided  to  upgrade  it  to  reef  tank.  My  present  tank  size  is  4'*2'*2'  with  40gallone  sump  filteration.  My  question  is  
 
 (1)  Can  it  possible  to  maintain  a  reef  tank  without  MH  &  Chiller?
 (2)  Any  other  chipper  lighting  alternatives?  (arcadia,  actinic  blue,etc)
 (3)  Are  T5  &  T8  lighting  support  coraline  algae  growth?
 
 Please  suggest  me  reef  lighting  for  my  tank.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 For  this  size  tank,  I  would  go  with  6  X  54w  t5.  You  can  grow  SPS  and  LPS  using  T5.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Thanks  gremlin  Thumb Up  
 
    Can  you  please  describe  me  about  lighting  details?  I  mean  to  say,  what  No.  of  actinic  blue  and  white?
    
    (1)  Where  i  can  buy  54watt  T5  light?   
    (2)  Is  it  available  in  36"  or  48"  size?
    (3)  Is  10hrs  per  day  will  sufficiant  for  coraline  algae  with  these  lights?
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Experimenting  with  LED  may  help  reducing  the  costs  esp  the  maintainance  cost.  However,  they  are  still  in  experimenting  stage  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 LED's  are  great  option  but  the  startup  cost  is  huge.  It  sure  will  save  in  a  long  run.  Go  with  2  actinics  and  4  bulbs  with  10,000K.  54w  are  48  inches.  You  will  get  good  coraline  growth  provided  all  the  other  parameters  in  your  tank  are  good.  YOu  will  have  to  maintain  good  calcium  level  and  have  good  flow.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Well,  even  I  thought  the  same.  But  when  I  saw  the  price  on  indiapetstore.com,  I  found  it  competitive  (though  slightly  more)  compared  to  other  bulbs.
 
 With  the  option  you  provided  above  (which  I  may  add,  is  fair),  you  are  basically  looking  at  324  W  whereas  the  same  can  be  done  with  half  Wattage  in  LED.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:52 am Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Let  me  ask  a  related  question  here.
 
 Typically  how  much  electricity  charges  do  you  folks  envisage  if  you  are  maintaining  a  decent  size  (say  around  100g)reef  tank?
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Hello,
 
 Answering  your  original  questions,
 
 (1)  Can  it  possible  to  maintain  a  reef  tank  without  MH  &  Chiller?  
 (depends  on  your  location)
 
 (2)  Any  other  chipper  lighting  alternatives?  (arcadia,  actinic  blue,etc)  
 (should  be  fine)
 
 (3)  Are  T5  &  T8  lighting  support  coraline  algae  growth?  
 (Yes)
 
 (4)  Is  10hrs  per  day  will  sufficiant  for  coraline  algae  with  these  lights?  
 (Yep)
 
 Better  that  you  update  your  location,  so  those  around  can  help.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 With  our  without  a  chiller  will  really  depend  on  where  you  live.  If  the  temperature  there  goes  quiet  high  and  your  tank  temperature  goes  abt  30deg,  i  dont  think  you  would  be  able  to  keep  a  lot  of  variety  of  corals.  Also  54W  T5's  will  generate  a  lot  of  heat  as  well.  So  you  will  have  to  use  fans  like  component  cooling  ones  to  keep  them  cool.  You  can  definitely  use  fans  to  keep  your  tank  cool  as  well,  but  will  have  to  work  on  Salinity  a  bit  better  for  that.  Since  a  lot  of  inverts  and  corals  do  not  tolerate  salinity  changes  well  it  will  be  difficult.  Also  your  tank  maintenance  and  water  change  schedule,  Skimmer  and  filteration  system  will  play  a  major  role  too.  Since  you  mention  your  tank  was  an  FO  ,  you  will  need  Live  rock  for  a  good  successful  reef  setup  and  i  think  that  should  be  essentially  your  first  step.  Cause  when  you  will  first  introduce  live  rock  your  tank  will  go  through  a  mini  cycle  and  you  will  have  lot  of  fluctuations  in  your  tank  parameters.  I  would  post  addition  of  live  rock  wait  atleast  3-6months  depending  on  my  water  parameter  and  current  filteration  before  i  move  to  adding  corals  and  building  my  reef.  
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 To  Nonza  &  Nash81,
 
    I  lived  in  kolkata,  in  the  summer  water  temp  goes  upto  29C-30C.  I  have  already  planed  for  atleast  6pcs  cooling  fan  for  me.  Should  i  need  more?  
    One  thing  i  must  tell  you  that,  I  am  running  a  FO  tank(without  LR)  but  i  have  lots  of  dead  corals  in  my  tank  for  shelter  &  hiding  places,  are  they  help  to  colonize  bacteria  as  well  as  LR?
    Currently  i  am  running  my  setup  with  a  40gallon  sump,  4000  ltrs/hr  return  pump,  2*700ltrs/hr  wavemaker  &  a  skimmer.  
    Should  i  require  to  upgrade  all  these?
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 Hello,
 
 If  thats  the  max  ambient  temperature,  you  should  be  fine.  Add  the  fans  and  you're  good  to  go.  If  you're  keeping  primarily  soft  corals  and  lps,  you  should  be  fine  till  30  deg.  
 
 MH  lights  would  raise  the  temperature,  and  your  canopy/hood  would  have  to  be  well  ventilated  with  the  fans.
 
 Dead  corals  can  be  kept,  no  problem.
 
 Sump,  return  pump  are  good  to  go.  You  could  get  a  bigger  wave  maker,  and  since  I  don't  know  what  skimmer  you  have  so  can't  really  say.  It  depends  on  your  bioload.
 
 Honestly,  i  would  really  invest  in  a  chiller,  even  the  cheaper  ones.  Its  really  worth  it  in  the  long  run  and  will  save  you  a  lot  of  hassle/tension.  Its  really  nasty  when  you  think  about  how  much  time  and  money  you've  spent  on  livestock,  and  then  with  unexpected  heat,  you  lose  them.
 
 There  are  many  different  ways  to  setup  a  reef,  good  luck!
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 To  Nonza,
      
      Thanks  for  all  of  your  valuable  suggetion.  You  have  suggested  for  bigger  wave  maker.  Can  you  please  tell  me  that  what  capacity  &  quantity  are  ideal  for  my  tank  size?  Currently  i  am  using  "ViaAqua  In  Sump  Skimmer  2™  wid  pump  -  SK200"  &  my  live  stock  are  2  common  clown,  1  regal  tang,  2  banana  wrasse  &  3  blue  cromise.  
 
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 Hello,
 
 You're  tank  is  a  good  sized  tank,  which  will  definitely  help  to  keep  it  stable.  Nice  choice  of  fish.  I  recommend  that  you  don't  add  many  more,  so  that  you  save  time  on  maintenance  and  it  will  be  easier  to  keep  stable.
 
 About  upgrading  to  a  bigger  wavemaker,  don't  do  it  yet.  I'm  assuming  that  you  want  to  keep  primarily  soft  and  long  polyped  stony  corals  (LPS).  When  you  decide  what  you  wanna  buy  and  learn  what  they're  requirements  are,  you  can  always  upgrade.
 
 They  tend  to  have  different  requirements  with  regard  to  flow,  some  like  minimal  flow,  some  like  high.  Depends  on  what  you  buy.  Research  on  your  purchases  is  important.
 
 While  I'm  not  familiar  with  your  skimmer,  quite  a  few  aquarists  on  IAH  use  them  and  their  opinions  will  be  worth  more  than  mine.  Considering  your  low  fish  load,  I  think  you  should  be  fine.
 
 Right  now,  i  think  heat  is  an  important  issue.  
 
 Also,  if  you  are  keeping  only  soft  and  lps,  you  should  be  fine  with  T5's.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 HI,
    As  stated  by  others,
    I  would  also  reiterate  that  for  temperature  control(cooling)  for  reef  tanks,   best  option  is  to  buy  a  chiller.
   Fan's  I  doub't  won't  help  you  much  with  the  high  humidity  levels  in  Kolkata.  But  you  can  offcourse  give  it  a  try.
 
   As  for  the  lighting  is  concerned,  considering  the  size  of  your  tank  it  would  be  best  to  go  for  T5-HO  lamps..and  these  are  available  in  Kolkata.
   However,  it  all  depends  on  the  kind  of  inverts  you  wish  to  keep.
   Apart  from  lighting,  temperature,  water  flow,  corraline  alage  grwoth  will  also  depend  on  other  factors  like  Ca/Strontium/Iodine  levels  maintained  in  your  tank  and  also  low  phospahtes.
   
    BTW  Arcadia  lamps  are  by  no  means  cheap..but  surely  they  are  quality  stuff.
 
    If  you  need  any  specific  help  you  can  PM  me.
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: NEED ADVISE ABOUT REEF LIGHTING WITHOUT MH Reply with quote

 To  Gremlin,
 
    Yesterday  i  visited  "Marine  inveribrates"  forum,  there  a  person  named  "GatorX"  using  CFL  lamps  along  with  Actinic  blue  for  keeping  corals,  then  i  checked  HAVELLS  &  PHILLIPS  catalog  &  found  that  HAVELLS  CFL  also  prodice  6500k  colour  temperature.  My  question  is,  can  Arcadia  54w*4  (suggested  by  you)  replace  with  5*45w  HAVELLS  CFL?  Are  these  CFL  same  effective  as  Arcadia  lamps  to  grow  corals  &  algae?
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