Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: Need Advice on new Tank and costs
I have been spending quite sometime on this forum gathering info. It's great to see so active people on this forum.
Well I have had aquariums since school days then somewhere after college after my tank cracked I did not return to the hobby.
But about three weeks back I got a used tank from my brother-in-law, who wanted to give it away (30' x 15' x 18'), unfortunately after setting up the tank I did a really stupid mistake of putting a live earthworm and my current non-aggressive group of fishes didn't bother it and it nicely sneaked into the gravel. I had to remove it and the only way was to get everything (including the fishes out) and since i had to move the tank slightly (as it was slightly unleveled) I thought this would be a good opportunity. to cut the the story short I did, and after resetting it, i have noticed a very minor leak (probably at the bottom, cause the sides seem to be fine).
1. Looks like I will have to get a new tank, I am probably looking at 4ft x 1.5ft x 2ft with 12mm or 3ft x 1.5ft x 2ft with 8mm. at kurla on shop is offering the 4 footer for XXXX and 3 footer for XXXX. I need to know if these are reasonable rates or they are quoting high?? or where else should I look. ? which one do you'll suggest 4 footer or 3...am having a hard time making up my mind (though I more inclined to the tree footer)!
2. Is there anything I need to be aware of while getting the 4 footer made, what are these braces people keep talking about? sorry for my ignorance
3. where will i get a tank stand? what should be the approximate cost.
4. I have a sobo internal filter 1000f, is that good enough for the 4 footer?
5. I have small size gravel as of now, what substrate is best, I have a planted tank, the kurla shop guy suggested some soil(can't exactly remember what soil), he said it would be XXX for 10 kg, is that the correct soil for planted tanks (what is it called, specific brand?
I know these might be too many questions, just want to get it right. Thanks.
P.S. I will be put my details about my tank in the self-intro little later, am just rushing to crawford market to check the prices there. thanks. (the leak is kinda worrying, though it very minor now, I don't want to take chances )
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on new Tank and costs
if its just a minor leak why dont u just resilicone it. a new tank will work out a heck of a lot more than just patching it up.
personally, if your doin a 8mm tank your gonna have problems transporting the damn thing. my 56 is made from 8mm and god it was heavy. i paid 3k for it. a custom build.
braces: have u noticed how larger tanks have a piece of glass that runs along the front and the back and sometime in the middle? thats a brace. its used to increase the structural itergirty of the tank.
stands: most shops who sell standard size tanks will sell standard sized tables. costing changes from from size to places u buy them from. my tank was built to the size of an existing table.
Filter: idealy your looking at a turn rate of min 5x the time of your tank. for example: in a 10gl tank i would use a filter that will turn water at the rate of 50gl/per hour.
Soil: most people use good quality laterite as a base subtrate and fine river sand on the top. you also have branded names like ADA etc etc. a lotta people here use the laterite method.
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on new Tank and costs
Would also advise you to restict the height to 1.5 feet instead of the planned 2 feet. That way T5 lights would be sufficient to penetrate to the plants at the bottom otherwise you will need Metal Halides.
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on new Tank and costs
Like yuo, even i was in a fix of deciding between a 3 and a 4 footer.
Eventually settled with 3' considering the work involved should your tank turn into algae's homeland. Thats what was suggested by the fellow hobbyist whom i knew.
I second Mortis about the tank's height.
I am guessing the name of the soil would be 'contra soi'. I am not the best person to suggest which soil you should go for but from whatever i have read, beginners should stay away fro mlaterite soil for frequent planting and unplanting would create a mess.
Nuterient rich soil like ADA works best for plants if injecting CO2.
Hope this helps atleast until experts present their views.
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on new Tank and costs
Hey thanks guys for your replies..really appreciate it
well, after leaking to a particular level it isn't leaking as of now, but I am not too sure, so I am just going to wait and see, have marked the water level for now.. anyway, I do intend to upgrade the tank maybe in a few days (if this isn't leaking now).
@zakk ...how would know the turn rate of the filter, is it mentioned on the box? about the soil the LFS (for me its kurla )suggested the same thing laterite and the over that river sand.
@Mortis, will go with what you suggested for the height of the tank while going for the new one..As of now I using the 36w daylight CFL bulb, and fortunately the plants seems to be doing okay, but it might be a little early to say.. at least from my past experience i have had decent plant growth with a simple PL table lamp (no special substrates or lighting)..so this sometimes get confusing what all the talk about T5's and halides, maybe it's just like putting the plant on steriods :)
@jack86 though I might not mind settling for the 3 footer, my mind is little to bent toward the 4 footer, and yes I am inject DIY CO2. I have been seeing a log of mention of ADA, sound promising! I don't intend to do frequent uprooting and replanting, so I guess the laterite and river sand might be work for me.
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on new Tank and costs
Depends on what you want from your tank. If you want fast growth and high light plants, you will need more light + CO2 injection + liquid ferts also. All of this needs to be in balance otherwise you will only succeed in growing algae. Do not think that substrate with fertilizer layer is enough, you will still need to add ferts to the water column.
Filters : Yes, usually the flow rate is mentioned on the box. For a med-high tech tank with stuff mentioned above, aim for 5- 10 times tank volume turnover per hour. However you should also keep in mind that the flow should be such that it covers as much of the tank as possible to evenly spread out CO2 and nutrients to all the plants.
e.g. : You have a 100L tank. Desired flow is 1000L/ Hr. You could get 1 x 1000 LPH filter or you could get 2 x 500 LPH filters and position 1 at the back left corner and one in the front right corner, thus ensuring flow in a circular manner around the tank.
Let us know what you plan and if there are any limitations budget wise and if you are getting CO2 which is a MUST in med/high light tanks.
Take your time and do your research and post your ideas here so we can help you now BEFORE you make any mistakes. Will save you a lot of headaches in the future.
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