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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 A  few  conversations  with  members  during  aquatika  made  me  suggest  this.  Folks  having  posted  for  something  in  the  WTB  Section  get  flooded  with  a  lot  of  PM's  offering  people  what  they  are  looking  for  however  not  directing  this  at  anyone,   i  am  not  even  certain  if  you  the  person  is  in  the  business  or  a  hobbyist.  But  one  thing  that  really  amazes  me  is  why  do  so  many  Business  man  post  themselves  as  hobbyist  and  will  deny  with  the  fact  that  they  are  making  profits  out  of  it  and  act  as  if  they  are  helping  the  other  hobbyist  and  not  keeping  margins.
 I  dont  see  why  the  shame  to  say  Yes  i  am  making  money,  cause  i  am  putting  the  effort  and  commitment.  Simply  amazes  me  to  know  how  many  such  people  exists  on  this  forum.  Similar  is  the  case  with  buyers,  people  want  to  buy  products  ,  fish  etc,  however  sometimes  the  quantity  sounds  so  absurd  that  a  hobbyist  would  rarely  buy.  
 
 So  how  about  a  profiling  system  that  talks  about  what  the  person  actually  is,  if  a  hobbyist,  Seller,  Hobbyist  selling  for  the  hobby,  Hobbyist  with  part  time  business,  etc  etc.
 
 Anyone  have  any  thought  on  this  line?  This  is  just  top  of  the  head  thoughts  and  not  sure  if  its  feasable  or  not  ?  Will  leave  that  to  the  site  Admins.  But  we  can  definitely  have  a  Thread  profiling  members.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 This  is  just  my  opinion  -
 
 I  am  against  putting  any  person  into  a  category.  This  should  be  voluntary.  Profiling  might  be  started  with  good  intention,  but  its  a  double  edged  sword.
 
 Any  ethical  business  person  has  to  identify  himself/herself.  There  is  no  restriction  for  a  commercial  minded  person  to  put  things  for  sale  in  this  forum.  There  is  a  LFS  announcements  section  where  it  could  be  done.  A  commercial  guy  might  also  have  some  personal  things  for  trade  and  that  can  be  posted  on  the  hobbyists  section.
 
 If  anyone  is  using  the  hobbyists  section  for  business,  best  thing  would  be  to  notify  a  moderator  who  can  take  up  the  issue  with  the  poster.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 I  tend  to  agree  with  Deepak  on  this  one,  Nirav.
 
 It  is  up  to  the  person  posting  to  identify  himself  as  a  commercial  guy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 Hi  
 
 I  am  supporting  Nirav  on  this  as  i  believe  this  form  is  mainly  intended  to  help  aquarists.
 If  some  one  want  to  use  this  site  for  business  they  should  do  it  in  a  proper  way  because  we  are  supporting  other  business  people  like  ADA,  indiapetstore  etc.  
 
 I  feel  it  make  a  lot  of  difference  when  you  buy  from  a  fellow  aquarists  and  business  people.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

                                                   
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because  we  are  supporting  other  business  people  like  ADA,  indiapetstore  etc.  
 Pavan                

 
 
 Oops  dumb  me   Dunce  .  I  thought  it  was  the  other  way  around  ie  ADA  and  Indiapetstore  were  supporting  IAH  by  sponsoring  forums
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

                                                   
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because  we  are  supporting  other  business  people  like  ADA,  indiapetstore  etc.  
 Pavan                

 
 
 Oops  dumb  me   Dunce  .  I  thought  it  was  the  other  way  around  ie  ADA  and  Indiapetstore  were  supporting  IAH  by  sponsoring  forums
               

 
 Actually  it  is  a  symbiotic  relationship  -  The   professionals  support  the  community  as  there  lies  their  customers  among  the  community;  and  the  community  supports  the  professionals  for  there  is  the  source  of  their  needs  for  their  hobbies.
 
 I  often  see  the  same  member  offering  sale  of  hobby  inputs  repeatedly  -  I  often  ask  myself  "how-come"?  A  profiling  could  answer  that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 One  more  thing  Nirav,  I  would  rather  buy  things  from  a  known  commercial  member.  It  truly  shows  their  commitment  to  their  business.  If  a  commercial  guy  is  posing  as  a  hobbyist,  I  really  doubt  their  commitment  to  their  business.
 
 If  one  spends  few  months  on  the  forum,  he/she  can  figure  out  whos  who  and  make  the  right  decision.  
 
 And  again,  we  could  give  it  a  try  by  reporting  probable  commercial  deals  on  hobbyist  section  to  the  moderators.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 Nirav
 you  are  suggesting  a  system  where  individuals  who  want  to  do  transactions  will  volunteer  themselves  about  themselves?  I  am  sure  that  you  would  agree  with  me  that  internet  is  a  place  where  it  is  very  difficult  to  verify  facts.  So  this  would  lead  to  a  situation  where  you  are  expecting  the  hobbyist  /  commercial  entity  to  be  truthful  about  themselves.  Then  things  go  back  to  square  one  where  the  unscrupulous  ones  will  lie  about  themselves  and  the  honest  ones  will  remain  honest.
 
 The  answer  to  that  will  be  a  full  fledged  trader  rating  system  like  some  other  forums  seem  to  have.  I  have  no  first  hand  experience  with  how  those  rating  systems  work.  I  am  sure  that  someone  who  has  direct  experience  on  them  will  contribute  to  the  discussion.
 
 But  on  a  personal  note  I  agree  with  Deepak.  If  one  hangs  around  the  forum  for  some  time  you  do  get  a  definite  idea  about  sellers,  Who  is  reliable,  who  will  pack  well,  who  will  ship  fast,  who  will  fleece  you  etc  etc  etc.  But  I  do  agree  that  its  like  learning  to  walk,  you  DO  fall  down  a  couple  of  times,  and  you  DO  bruise  yourself  a  couple  of  times.
 
 So  my  vote  would  be  for  no  profiling  at  all  or  a  full  fledged  trader  rating  system
 
 
 PS:-  I  have  a  bad  feeling  that  this  thread  will  degenerate  into  flame  war  as  time  goes  on
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

                                                   
nash81  wrote  (View  Post):                
So  how  about  a  profiling  system  that  talks  about  what  the  person  actually  is,  if  a  hobbyist,  Seller,  Hobbyist  selling  for  the  hobby,  Hobbyist  with  part  time  business,  etc  etc.                

 
 I  think  this  is  essential.  It's  in  my  To  Do  list.  Will  get  this  done  in  the  next  major  upgrade.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

                                                   
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you  are  suggesting  a  system  where  individuals  who  want  to  do  transactions  will  volunteer  themselves  about  themselves?  I  am  sure  that  you  would  agree  with  me  that  internet  is  a  place  where  it  is  very  difficult  to  verify  facts.  So  this  would  lead  to  a  situation  where  you  are  expecting  the  hobbyist  /  commercial  entity  to  be  truthful  about  themselves.                  

 
 The  way  I  look  at  it  is,  it's  a  simple  identification  system,  whereby,  I  will  know  the  status/membership  type  of  the  poster.  It's  an  opportunity/facility  available  to  members  to  identify  themselves  either  as  a  hobbyist  or  LFS  or  whatever.  No  verification  required.
 
 
                                                 
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Then  things  go  back  to  square  one  where  the  unscrupulous  ones  will  lie  about  themselves  and  the  honest  ones  will  remain  honest.
                 

 
 True.  But  we  will  be  in  square  two.  Not  one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 I  am  agree  with  Nirav.
 
 I  have  seen  lot  of  Hobbyist  selling  his  /  her  fish  as  a  businessman.
 
 Like  one  example  :  I  this  forum  I  asked  some  member  about  the  price  of  a  particular  fish.  He  rplied  me  that  cost  will  be  xxxx/  each  one.  Next  day  I  confirmed  with  another  hobbyist  from  this  forum  too  that  he  bought  those  fish  xxx/  each.  After  calculating  I  have  seen  he  is  selliing  the  fish  tripple  time.
 
 He  is  a  renowned  hobbyist.  Now  u  guys  tell  me  is  what  is  his  Staus  -  Hobbyist  /  Businessman  /  etc.  etc.
 
 Becaused  that  I  was  just  shockd....Today  Nirav  raise  a  really  a  very  very  valid  point.
 
 It's  true  that  I  also  sometime  sale  my  fish  but  generaly  just  cost  price  or  some  time  just  xx-xxx  more  due  to  my  maintenance  cost.  But  never  keeping  this  mind  that  I  have  to  make  profit  from  here  ruther  than  try  to  boost  hobbyist  so  that  they  can  be  also  good  Hobbyist  .
 
 So  u  gyus  tell  me  what's  my  status  !!
 
 Pls.  never  mind.  I  don't  want  to  heart  anybody.  But  I  feel  sad  how  can  a  hobbyist  sale  a                          fish(xxx/  each)   to  another  hobbyist(xxxx/  each).
 
 Anyway  it's  my  exp.  and  my  personal  point  of   view  !!
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 A  person  will  sell  his  stock  at  the  price  that  works  out  for  him.  So  will  it  be  for  a  person  buying  it.
 Profiling  a  person  into  a  particular  category  will  change  the  way  we  deal  with  them,  which  I  doubt  is  going  to  improve  relationship  between  anyone.  Im  afraid  we  would  be  initiating  prejudice.
 I  buy  things  for  personal  use  and  also  for  some  friends  who  do  business.  I  mention  whether  Im  purchasing  it  for  my  personal  use  or  for  business  purpose  clearly  to  who  I  pick  the  stock  from.
 Just  my  opinion.
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 If  any  hobbyist  having  no  commercial  identity  wish  to  sell  some  of  his  stuff  (say  fish  bred  in  his  tank)  and  asks  for  a  good  price  for  his  healthy  stuff...  whats  wrong  ?  and  what  will  we  call  him  ?  LFS?  or  Hobbyist  (  he  will  not  be  selling  the  stuff  as  frequently  as  a  business  minded  person  will  do)
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 Profiling  a  person  under  LFS/Business  category  might  help  him  in  his  business.
 Suppose  we  provide  a  rating  to  the  person  under  this  category.  Everyone  who  does  transaction  with  him  would   be  able  to  give  him  plus  or  minus  votes  thus  affecting  his  trustworthiness.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Profiling of Members. - A suggestion. Reply with quote

 i  second  Vignesh...
 
 btw  in  WTS-Hobbyist  Only  forum,  Seller  is  needed  to  be  a  hobbyist  or  the  buyer
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