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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine?= decided Reply with quote

 Hello  Janta
 
 Need  your  quick  big   Help   
 
 I  am  looking  for  a  small  change  by  getting  a  bigger  tank.  I  am  lookin  forward  for  a  30X18X18  tank  in  a  shelf  which  is  14inch  deep-  shellf=  as  I  need  space  in  room.
 
 I  was  thinking  of  a  30X15X18,  but  looking  for  the  long  run,  felt  that  a  bigger  tank  would  be  better.  More  over  I  ll  not  get  kribbing  Mad  again  soon.  Very Happy   
 
 My  plan  is  to  have  a  strong  1inch  plywood  base  of  30X18  on  the  slab  and  then  thermocol  with  tank  on  it.
 
 
 
 Which  would  mean  4inch  of  the  tank  protruding  out  of  the  slab.
 So  only  thing  I  am  worried  about  is  the  4/18th  part  that  comes  out,  if  it  would  develop  a  crack/leak.   Confused  
 On  the  whole,  to  the  best  it  will  be  a  planted  and  not  a  marine.
 
 Please  let  me  know  if  I  can  include/avoid  anything  further  with  this  setup.  Dunce  
 (cement  shelf  though)
 
 Waiting  for  anyones  reply.
 Thankyou.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Sai,
 
 I  do  not  know  the  math  behind  this,  however  gut  feel  is  both  situations  are  pretty  risky.  I'd  avoid  ANY  overhang  if  I  were  you...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 You  remind  me  of  someone  from  Mumbai
 
 I  feel  that  unless  someone  with  structural  engineering  comes  forth  you  are  not  going  to  get  any  concretel  advice
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Hi  saikumar,
 
 Go  for  1st  option.  @nd  one  will  be  risky.
 
 My  2  feeter  Planted  tank  also  like  your  1st  option.  1.5"  out  from  the  base  but  till  today  no  prob.
 
 But  4"  out  ....I  really  doubt..
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 What  material  is  the  shelf?  You  could  use  angle  sections,  with  a  brace  in  level  with  the  surface,  to  achieve  option  2  safely.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

                                                   
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What  material  is  the  shelf?  You  could  use  angle  sections,  with  a  brace  in  level  with  the  surface,  to  achieve  option  2  safely.                

 
 
 you  can  follow  as  mentioned  above  and  use  a  thicker  glass  for  bottom,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Sai,
 Since  you  are  using  a  1  inch  plywood  sheet  it  should  be  O.K.   4  Inch  overhang  will  not  cause   deflection  of  the  plywood  base.
 
 Thanks  &  Regards,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 The  load  of  the  Aquariums  fall  on  the  edges.  That  is  the  reason,  it  is  ok  to  have  the  aquarium  with  just  edges  supported  with  nothing  in  the  center.
 
 If  there  is  a  deflection  in  the  plywood  due  to  load,  you  will  be  looking  into  a  crack  in  the  near  future.
 
 You  should  look  at  some  support  as  suggested  by  alpha.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Aquariums  need  support  along  the  edges.  An  over  hang  for  the  aquarium  is  not  advised.  This  will  lead  to  the  tank  cracking  after  a  few  months  if  not  earlier.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 I  totally  agree  with  Preetam,
 Whatever  I  heard  so  far  Aquariums  need  support  mainly  along  the  all  4  sides.
 Dont  risk  to  keep  it  1side  hanging,  there  are  more  chances  of  cracking  and  leaking  glass...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Hi  Saikumar,
 
 Your  new  tank  will  be  a  30  long  with  a  4  inch  overhang  at  the  back.  As  in  your  second  option,  with  a  good  sturdy  ply  at  the  base,  the  4inch  overhang  will  have  sufficient  support  at  the  base  since  the  balance  14  inches  will  be  on  solid  base.  The  weight   of  this  overhang  will  be  transferred  to  the  cement  base  by  this  ply.  Any  structural  engineer  will  vouch  for  that.  The  only  issue  is,  will  this  transfer  of  weight  be  sufficient  enough  for  that  overhang  to  be  unduly  stressed  and  cause  any  cracks.  Not  going  into  the  maths  of  it,  a  thicker  bottom  glass  and  a  thicker  support  ply  will  mitigate  whatever  may  be  the  risks.  if  the  tank  is  not  built  up,  go  for  a  10  mm  bottom,  and  a  1  1/2  inch  ply.
 
 You  can  sleep  easy  without  worrying  about  the  mathematics.  Drinking  
 
 Cheers,
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Sai,
 
 I  also  liked  alpha's  idea....  it  would  not  mitigate  the  risk  completelty  but  it  sure  helps  bring  the  probability  in  your  favour...  
 
 Also  when  you  fix  those  angle  supports..  make  use  of  anchor  bolts  and  not  normal  screw...  dont  compromise  on  that...   Chuckle  
 
 Now  if  you  plan  the  support  well  we  can  even  think  of  a  24"  tank  if  space  allows...
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 U  can  try  and  screw  the  plywood  to  the  concrete  base.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 All  guys  thank  you  so  much  for  putting  your  views  together.  Bow  
 
 Surely  you  guys  have  hit  my  gut  feel  strongly,  so  possibly  I  ll  try  something  more  to  strengthen.  (real  estate  at  stake  u  c)
 
 Humaid,
 Yea  possible,  but  I  am  more  worried  about  the  sag  of  the  ply  4inch  outside  shelf,  whether  and  how  I  can  support  it.
 
 Shubankar,
 Its  a  concrete  shelf  of  1inch  thickness.  How  and  where  do  I  put  the  brace?
 Or  would  putting  iron  bars  (4/6mm)  at  regular  intervals  below  PLY  meet  your  support  plan?
 
 srk,
 Thankyou.  But  where  do  I  have  the  angles  bolted?
 2ft  would  be  nicey  but  dont  want  to  worsen  the  aesthetics.  I  mean  to  say  I  am  content  with  20neons  as  in  pic  above   Very Happy  
 
 Vijay.
 Tank  is  not  yet  built,  but  just  got  their  quotes.  EOD  I  am  worried  your  sentence  with  word  ~issue~.  Thanks  for  backing  me  up,  lets  hope  I  get  the  solution.
 
 Preetam  &  Hemesh,
 Yes  that  is  frightening.  Let  me  see  where  I  can  compromise  Crying or Very sad  
 
 Jay,
 Point  noted.
 
 Jack,
 Yes,  thats  what  even  I  am  thinking.  But  I  am  afraid  of  the  sag  in  few  months  that  might  happen.
 
 Har,
 Thanks  man  Smile  .  yes  that  is  going  to  be  a  compulsion  now.  
 
 Abhi,  yes  I  must  get  a  tank  for  sure.  Lets  hope  big.
 
 Unni,
 Yep,  I  have  already  sighted  few  such  guys  on  this  thread  let  see  what  we  can  settle  at.
 
 
 
 Guys  I  hope  I  am  not  asking  much,  but  give  in  your  last  pitch.  Except  restructuring  the  shelf  Chuckle  ,  let  me  know  any  possibility.(how  about  a  stone/cement  slab  instead  of  ply)
 Attaching  below  the  pic  of  the  layout,  let  me  know  the  positions  to  make  adjustmet.
 
 
 
 Thanks  a  ton  for  your  time
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: 18inch tank on a 14inch base; risky/fine? Reply with quote

 Hi  guys,
 
 Well  I  did  get  on  with  a  15inch  width.
 Thanks  for  all  your  help  people.  Bow  
 
 
 Did  it  myself.  Size=  34X15X18
 
 
 
 CHeers!
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