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 Dear  Iggy,
 Plastic  bottles  is  not  a  very  good  idea  (consider  flight  delays  also!)  it  is  somewhat  difficult  to  pump  Oxygen  in  the  bottle  -  I'd  suggest  the  good  old  way  of  carrying  the  fish  -  plastic  bag!
 Small  bag  with  a  single  fish  -  loose  packing  and  a  pack  of  gel  ice  or  dry  ice  in  the  baggage  to  keep  the  bags  cool  -  bingo!
 Don't  worry  about  the  customs  here  as  if  you  hand  carry  the  fish  in  FW  and  if  the  bags  are  well  padded  with  some  cloth  -  you'll  go  unnoticed!
 But,  first  let  us  get  the  fish  Chuckle  
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 Hi,
 
 
                                                 
retro_gk  wrote:                
If  you  go  that  route,  I  suggest  using  the  lexan  bottles  meant  for  hikers/mountaineers.                  

 
 I  have  read  (but  never  seen)  about  air-breathing  bags  from  a  company  called  Kordon.
 
 How  good  are  they?    Can  a  fish  withstand  a  one  week  shipping  in  such  a  bag?
 
 Does  anyone  know  if  these  bags  are  available  in  India?
 
 
 
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 Ye!  They  are  available..seen  them  at  Gem  Aquarist,  Chennai.
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Hi,
 
 How  good  are  they?    Can  a  fish  withstand  a  one  week  shipping  in  such  a  bag?
 
 Biju  George                

 
 These  bags  are  the  best  things  ever.  I've  been  using  them  for  a  about  a  year  and  can't  be  happier.  The  only  thing  is  the  method  of  packing  the  fish  is  somewhat  different  and  needs  getting  used  to.  And  you  cannot  transport  spiny  fish  in  them.
 
 Fish  will  live  for  weeks  in  them.  However,  over  long  periods  of  time,  waste  buildup  can  become  a  problem,  and  I  recommend  using  pieces  of  polyfilter  in  the  bag.
 
 Aquascapes,  plastic  bottles  are  a  very  convenient  way  of  transporting  fish.  I  know  of  several  people  who've  brought  fish  back  from  S  America  in  bottles.  There  are  also  people  who  now  consider  bottles  the  preferred  method  of  shipping  spiny  fish  like  catfish.


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 Some  fish  collectors  have  also  told  me  that  they  prefer  plastic  bottles  because  they  can  easily  open  the  top  to  remove  dead  fish,  which  is  common  when  dealing  with  wild  fish.    Also  opening  the  bottle  replenishes  the  air  and  changing    water    is  a  simple  task.
 
 I  am  sure  the  breather  bags  work  very  well  too.
 
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 Lets  return  to  the  original  topic  "Aphanius  dispar  stoliczkanus  from  Gujarat  "...what  about  it  ?  Thumb Up
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 Dear  Iggy,
 Today's  update  -  A.  dispar  is  also  used  in  malaria  control  and  with  the  help  of  the  professor  we  have  traced  a  person  who  has  worked  with  the  fish  -  the  last  report  says  that  the  person  is  working  at  the  Civil  Hospital  of  Nadiad  -  will  call  up  my  contacts  there  and  let  you  know  tomorrow.
 "...what  about  it  ?  
 Guys  I'm  doing  what  I  can!  can't  put  more  pressure  on  the  prof.  She  is  herself  a  busy  lady!  I've  even  started  to  talk  to  people  who  know  someone  who  catches  fish  in  North  Guj.  Chuckle  
 Trying  my  best  -  you  guys  pray  to  God  that  we  find  the  fish!
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 Hi  Aquascapes,
 You  and  Prof  Gadhia  are  certainly  doing  a  great  job.
 Thank  you  for  the  Scientific  Survey  on  Apahnius  and  other  species  of  fish  in  the  Arab  Emerates  that  you  forwarded  to  me  from  the  Prof.    It  is  helpful  to  know  the  type  of  biotope  that  Apahnius  favours.
 
 Look  forward  to  you  making  contact  with  the  gentleman  from  Civil  Hospital  of  Nadiad.    Is  this  Hospital  in  North  Gujarat?
 
 When  you  said  that  Local  fishermen  called  the  fish  "PIPUDA",  I  thought  that  we  were  right  on  the  tail  of  Aphaneus,  but  it  seems  that  there  is  a  little  more  way  to  go  yet.    Which  town  or  village  are  these  local  fishermen  located  at?
 
 By  the  way,  how  has  Gujarat  coped  with  the  earthquake  there  a  few  years  ago?    Was  the  earthquake  right  in  Aphanius  territory?
 
 All  the  best,
 Iggy
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 Hello  Aquascapes,
 Is  there  any  further  progress  in  the  search  for  Apahanius  of  Gujarat?
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 Yes  sir,
 I  already  posted  you  the  update  -  It  is  on  my  mind  always  so  don't  worry  we  will  find  the  fish  soon  (the  prof.  has  reffered  a  couple  of  names  and  I  am  banking  on  them)
 Meantime,  why  don't  you  try  e-mailing  the  fellow  who's  address  appears  on  the  document  of  the  habitat  study  of  A.  dispar?
 It  might  be  of  help!
 I  try  out  the  physical  contacts  and  you  try  out  the  contacts  in  the  post  -  lets  see  what  brings  in  the  good  luck  charm!
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 iggy:-
 
 
                                                 
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Thank  you  for  the  Scientific  Survey  on  Apahnius  and  other  species  of  fish  in  the  Arab  Emerates  that  you  forwarded  to  me  from  the  Prof.  It  is  helpful  to  know  the  type  of  biotope  that  Apahnius  favours.  
                 

 
 Hi  
 Can  this  document  be  available  on  the  public  forum  /  domain    or  at  a  public  free  download  internet  site  for  people  intrested  in  wanting  to  know  more  on  the  topic...
 
 Thanks  &  Regards
 
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 Dr.  Mohini  Gadhia  kindly  provided  the  paper  to  me  via  Aquascapes.
 It  is  a  published  scientific  document,  so  that  should  not  be  a  problem.
 Could  Aquascapes  kindly  oblige  by  putting  the  webpage  on  this  forum  site  but  contact  Dr.  Mohini  Gadhia  if  you  feel  it  necessary.
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 Hi  Iggy:
 
 Post  a  link  to  the  paper...here  on  IAH...
 That's  fine  with  us...
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 I  think  that  should  not  be  a  problem  but  please  don't  raise  the  copyright  issue  Chuckle  
 Ok  there  you  go  -  (Beta  if  you  feel  necessary  please  edit  it)
 
 THE  NATIVE  FRESHWATER  FISH  SPECIES  OF  THE  UNITED  ARAB  EMIRATES  
 -  a  U.A.E.  Fish  Web  Resource  Project  
 Dr  Mark  Beech  
 
 Abu  Dhabi  Islands  Archaeological  Survey  (ADIAS)
 P.O.  Box  45553
 Abu  Dhabi
 United  Arab  Emirates
 E-mail:  adias@  ead.ae  
 Web:  http://www.adias-uae.com/
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 Introduction  
 Cyprinidae:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  (Day  1880)  
 Cyprinidae:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  muscatensis  (Boulenger  1888)  
 Cyprinidae:  Garra  barreimiae  barraeimiae  (Fowler  &  Steinitz  1956)  
 Cyprinidae:  Garra  barreimiae  shawkahensis  (Banister  &  Clarke  1977)  
 Cyprinodontidae:  Aphanius  dispar  dispar  (Rüppell  1829)  
 Gobiidae:  Awaous  sp.  
 Acknowledgements  
 References  
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 INTRODUCTION  
 
 Comparatively  little  is  known  about  the  freshwater  fishes  of  the  United  Arab  Emirates.  This  is  primarily  because  most  work  has  previously  concentrated  on  studying  the  richer  marine  coastal  fisheries.  Few  studies  have  also  examined  how  the  local    populations  traditionally  catch  and  utilise  local  freshwater  fishes,  although  it  has  been  reported  that  bunches  of  twigs  of    Taverniera  glabra,  a  shrubby  perrennial  of  the  mountains,  are  sometimes  used  to  beat  the  water  of  wadi  pools  in  order  to  stun  fish,  which  can  then  be  easily  caught  by  hand  (Gross  and  Jongbloed  1996:  238).  This  shrub,  Taverniera  glabra,  is  relatively  common  in  the  U.A.E.  (Jongbloed  1996:  94),  so  this  practice  may  have  been  quite  widespread  in  the  past.  Recent  observations  made  by  Garry  Feulner,  have  also  recognised  various  wadi-blocking  and  sieving  techniques  being  used  to  catch  the  fish  (Feulner,  pers.comm.)..  
 
 The  principle  genera  and  species  which  have  been  recorded  to  date  for  the  Oman  peninsula  are:  
 
 Cyprinidae:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  (Day  1880)  
 Cyprinidae:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  muscatensis  (Boulenger  1888)  
 Cyprinidae:  Garra  barreimiae  barraeimiae  (Fowler  &  Steinitz  1956)  
 Cyprinidae:  Garra  barreimiae  shawkahensis  (Banister  &  Clarke  1977)  
 
 Cyprinodontidae:  Aphanius  dispar  dispar  (Rüppell  1829)
 
 Very  recently,  Gary  Feulner  and  Barbara  Couldrey  from  the  Dubai  Natural  History  Group,  have  collected  a  number  of  specimens  of  an  apparently  new  species  of  goby  from  a  wadi  in  the  mountains  near  Hatta.  This  discovery  was  recently  reported  on  the  official  news  website  of  the  UAE  Ministry  of  Information  and  Culture,  on  Saturday  23rd  May  1998  (news  item  no.  11398).  
 These  specimens  have  now  been  identified  by  Ronald  E.  Watson,  for  Gordon  McGregor  Reid  of  Chester  Zoo,  as  belonging  to  Awaous  aeneofuscus  (Gary  Feulner,  pers.comm).  To  find  out  more  about  this  species,  and  other  members  of  the  genus  Awaous  click  on  the  link  below.  
 Gobiidae:  Awaous  sp.
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 Cyprinidae:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  (Day  1880)  
 Cyprinidae:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  muscatensis  (Boulenger  1888)  
   
 Order:    Cypriniformes  (carps)  
 Family:    Cyprinidae  
 Species:    Cyprinion  microphthalmum  (Day  1880)  
 
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 Cyprinion  microphthalmum  muscatensis  (Boulenger  1888)  
 Range:  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  (Day  1880):  
 Asia:  Pakistan,  Afghanistan,  Iran  and  Oman  (subspecies)    
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 Cyprinion  microphthalmum  muscatensis  (Boulenger  1888):  
 Arabian  Peninsula:  tributaries  of  the  Gulf  of  Oman  in  Oman.  
 Habitat:  Freshwater  -  benthopelagic/demersal    
 Found  in  montane  and  submontane  regions  
 Size  (maximum):  Cyprinion  microphthalmum  (Day  1880):  
 10  cm  TL,  according  to:  Talwar  and  Jhingran  (1992)    
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 Cyprinion  microphthalmum  muscatensis  (Boulenger  1888):  
 12.9  cm  SL.  according  to  Krupp  (1983).  
 
 This  species  is  listed  in  a  number  of  references  (Boulenger  1888;  Day  1980;  Krupp  1983;  Talwar  and  Jhingran  1992).  
 Gary  Feulner  (pers.comm.)  reports  that:  
 
 "I  have  seen  fishing  in  action  once,  and  the  after  effects  a  few  times.    I  was  told  by  the  fisherman  that  it  was  the  Garra  that  they  were  after,  not  the  other  species  (Cyprinion  microphthalmum)  that  happened  to  be  present  there.......  neither  of  these  (species)  reaches  5  inches,  and  Garra  is  rarely  more  than  3  inches..."
 
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 Cyprinodontidae:  Aphanius  dispar  dispar  (Rüppell  1829)  
     
 Order:    Cyprinodontiformes  (rivulines,  killifishes  and  live  bearers)  
 Family:    Cyprinodontidae  
 Species:    Aphanius  dispar  dispar  (Rüppell  1829)  
 Common  Name:  Arabian  killifish  -    Afty  (Arabic,  Qatar)  
 Range:  Indian  Ocean:  from  Egypt  to  Somalia  southward  to  Eil,  a  landlocked  population  in  the  Siwa  Oasis,  western  Egypt.  Immigrant  through  the  Suez  Canal  into  the  southeastern  Mediterranean  basin,  Egypt  and  Israel.  Elsewhere:  Dead  Sea,  Red  Sea,  Persian  Gulf,  western  India;  landlocked  populations  in  Saudi  Arabia,  Iran.  
 Habitat:  Freshwater,  Brackish,  Saltwater  
 Occurs  in  coastal  zones,  also  found  in  oasis  pools  with  hypersaline  to  fresh  water  (Wildekamp  et  al.  1986).  Forms  schools.  Is  a  chiefly  herbivorous  species  (Pipitone  and  Andaloro  1995).
   
 Size  (maximum):  7cm  TL,  according  to:  Wildekamp  et  al.  (1986).  
 
 The  third  native  fish  is  Aphanius  dispar,  the  Arabian  killifish.  This  occurs  in  freshwater,  brackish  and  saltwater.  The  species  is  listed  in  a  number  of  references  (Mirza  and  Omer  1984;  Pipitone  and  Andaloro  1995;  Por  1978;  Randall  1995;  Rüppell  1828-30;  Skadhauge  and  Lotan  1974;  Talwar  and  Jhingran1992;  Thurston  and  Gehrke  1993;  Vasil'yev  1980;  Walford  and    Wicklund  1973;  Wildekamp  et  al.  1986).  
 According  to  Gary  Feulner  (pers.comm.):  
 
 "  it  is  probably  the  single  most  abundant  fish  in  the  Ras  al-Khaimah  and  Umm  al-Qaiwain  mangrove  areas.    Fishing  by  net  might  get  you  enough  to  make  a  meal..."
 
 Aphanius  dispar  dispar  in  India  
 Point  map  (Aphanius  dispar  dispar)  
 Main  Ref.:    Menon,  A.G.K.,  1999    
 Also  Ref.:    Kapoor,  D.,  R.  Dayal  and  A.G.  Ponniah,  2002    
 
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 Status:    native    
 Importance:      Ref.:      
 Aquaculture:    never/rarely  Ref.:      
 Regulations:      Ref.:      
 Freshwater:    No  
 Brackish:    Yes  
 Saltwater:    Yes  
 LiveExport:          
 Bait:    No  
 Game:    No  
 Abundance:      Ref.:      
 Comments:    Found  in  Uttara  Kannada,  Karnataka  (Ref.  45204);  common  in  Gujarat  and  Rajasthan  (Ref.  45255).  Recorded  from  Kutch  (Ref.  41236).  Also  Ref.  3788,  27139.  Status  of  threat:  Data  deficient  in  Western  Ghats  (Ref.  50614).  
 National  Checklist:      
 Country  Information:    www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html    
             Update    
 
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 Entered:  Sa-a,  Pascualita  Modified:  Sanciangco,  Millicent  Checked:  Torres,  Armi  G.  
 
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 Aphanius    dispar  dispar    (Rüppell,  1829)        
 Family:        Cyprinodontidae  (Pupfishes),  subfamily:  Cyprinodontinae    picture  (Apdis_u8.jpg)  by  Teigler,  F.
   
 AquaMaps  |  Point  map    
 Order:      Cyprinodontiformes    (rivulines,  killifishes  and  live  bearers)    
 Class:      Actinopterygii  (ray-finned  fishes)    
 FishBase  name:      
 Max.  size:      7.0  cm  TL  (male/unsexed;  Ref.  27139)    
 Environment:      demersal;  non-migratory;  freshwater;  brackish;  marine    
 Climate:    subtropical;  16  â€“  26°C  
 Importance:      aquarium:  potential    
 Resilience:      Medium,  minimum  population  doubling  time  1.4  -  4.4  years(Assuming  tm=1  and  Fec  <  1000)  
 Distribution:      
 Gazetteer    Indian  Ocean:  Egypt  to  Somalia  southward  to  Eil,  a  landlocked  population  in  the  Siwa  Oasis,  western  Egypt.  Immigrant  through  the  Suez  Canal  into  the  southeastern  Mediterranean  basin,  Egypt  and  Israel.  Elsewhere:  Dead  Sea,  Red  Sea,  Persian  Gulf,  western  India;  landlocked  populations  in  Saudi  Arabia,  Iran.    
 Biology:      Occurs  in  coastal  zones,  also  found  in  oasis  pools  with  hypersaline  to  fresh  water  (Ref.  3788).  Forms  schools.  Chiefly  a  herbivorous  species  (Ref.  13530).  Not  a  seasonal  killifish.  Very  difficult  to  maintain  in  aquarium  (Ref.  27139).  Spawn  in  areas  where  roots  of  hyacinth  or  other  floating  plants  abound  (Ref.  44327).    
 Red  List  Status:    Not  in  IUCN  Red  List    (Ref.  53964)    
 Dangerous:      harmless    
 Coordinator:      Costa,  Wilson  J.E.M.    
 Main  Ref:      Huber,  J.H..  1996.  (Ref.  27139)    
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Aphanius in Gujarat Reply with quote

 Further  to  the  above  paper  and  the  reference  in  it:
 
 Aphanius  dispar  dispar  in  India
 Point  map  (Aphanius  dispar  dispar)
 Main  Ref.:  Menon,  A.G.K.,  1999
 Also  Ref.:  Kapoor,  D.,  R.  Dayal  and  A.G.  Ponniah,  2002  
 
 I  have  done  a  net  serach  and  come  up  with  this:
 Check  List  :  Fresh  Water  Fishes  of  India/A.G.K.  Menon.  Calcutta,  Zoological  Survey  of  India,  1999,  366  p.,  ISBN  81-85874-15-8.  [Occasional  Paper  No.  175]
 
 Contents:  Preface.  1.  Introduction.  2.  Check  list.  Alphabetic  index  to  scientific  names.
 
 From  the  author’  s  preface:  "The  present  check-list  is  based  on  personal  survey  of  the  Peninsular  rivers  especially,  the  west  flowing  drainages  of  the  Western  Ghats.  I  have  taken  into  consideration  all  the  available  knowledge  of  the  taxonomy  and  distribution  of  freshwater  fishes  of  India  in  bringing  out  the  present  list  of  valid  species,  numbering  446  primary  freshwater  fishes  occurring  within  the  political  boundaries  of  continental  India.  For  each  species,  the  original  reference  followed  by  references  to  papers  dealing  especially  with  actual  specimens  obtained  from  the  region  are  given.  Complete  synonymies  of  all  the  species  with  the  exact  limits  of  distribution,  habitat,  the  maximum  size  attained  and  the  status  of  the  threatened  species  according  to  the  IUCN  (1988)  categories  are  also  given."  
 
 This  book  is  available  from:
 Vedams  eBooks  (P)  Ltd.
 Vardhaman  Charve  Plaza  IV,
 Building  #  9,  K.P  Block,  Pitampura,
 New  Delhi  110  034,  India
 Fax:  91-11-27310613
 e-mail:  vedams  [at]  vedamsbooks  [dot]  com
 
 Has  any  one  seen  this  book?
 Does  it  have  fish  photographs?
 
 Look  forward  to  hearing,
 Iggy
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