Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
Hi all. I am contemplating a South American BW tank. It is aimed at hosting 12-14 Peruvian Scalares, some corys and few APistogrammas. I will use Nile sand as substrate and driftwoods. The tank dimension is 72X18X18. I intend to use dried almond leaves to keep the water 'black'. What must I do to ensure the water is soft? An RO water for the entire tank? Any other alternatives? Need your advice before I start on the venture.
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
hi bmukh.. if your Peruvians are wild caught water quality is important , else u can start off with 70% RO and slowly shift them to normal tap water conditions.. premkk has some wild caughts , may be you should ask him for more details on the water quality...
dried almond leaves will make the water soft, I guess it should be fine for the Peruvians ..
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
IAH has several threads about Peruvian Scalares, none of which , from those i saw at least, sadly, are peruvian scalares. Sad but true. the peruvian scalare is distinguised by a notched forehead and a notch spot between the two mail stripes on the body. Without BOTH these features, it is not a Peruvian Scalare Angel. One or the other makes it, yes, for instance, like a oranda with a single tail. Or a koi with long fins (both highly frowned on by judges and purists alike).
Anybody interested in this variation of the Scalare complex must first understand the amazing but very elegant concept of Ring Species. Here is the wikipedia link
the reason these scalares are so different and resemble Altums in a few ways is because apparently in nature there is a continuum of populations in the Amazon region, and in Peru especially, that shows a genetic drift of genes from the conventional scalare to the scalare with altum proportions (deep body, large size, notched forehead) and, finally, pure altums. these species can breed among adjacent populations but poplulations (pure scalare and pure altum) are too different to breed. This phenomenon has been replicated in other species, including the gull mentioned in the wikipedia article. i think in India it is replicated in the Indian Caste System too!! Honest.
For Peruvian lovers (i am one , these two web pages are particularly illuminating:
I understand the owners of angels without forehead notches will be disappointed to read this, so here is a page with a pic of another wild species (one of the three main angelfish species) that shows a sloping forehead shows a Pterophylluym leopoldi also called Pterophyllum dumerilii or Long nosed Angelfish
Since our regular scalares show generations of interbreeding some have notched forheads and some have sloping forheads, this are the dumerilli genes resurfacing in the three species complex, with the domestic 'scalares' going from the the long nosed extreme to the notchedness of altums, all on extreme ends of the continuum.
Isn't it wonderful that an ordinary angelfish can have so many secrets to reveal?
the Rio Nanay Scalare Angelfish is also worth pursuing, can u, with your old contacts, find us poor delhi keepers, a supplier? Please think before u stock that lovely tank we all saw a few days ago!
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
Back again with a new project. This time a 6 feeter South American Black water.
Dimensions: 72 (L) X 21(D) X 18 (H)
Water: 80% RO rest Tap
How to keep it 'black' and soft: Mostly Almond leaves, but initially have put some commercially available BW extract.
Substrate: Ada Nile sand
Background: Tree trunk, roots and Rocscape customized and made by India Petstore
Hardscape: Plenty of Driftwoods
Filtration: 2217 Eheim and 2203 Eheim (might remove the 2203 later)
Filtration media: Apart from sponzes, ADA Bio Rio and SERA Peat
Light: 3 X10 watts LED
Fauna (to add some more): Currently experimenting with Water Hyacinth (local nursery), few Echinodorius. Will add Amazon sword plants.
Intended Fauna: Cories (I need some, around 20, where can I get them), Scalares (around 10-12) will get them next week, Around 8-10 of a single species of Apistogramma . Currently contemplating Apistogramma Agassizi (Super Red), have two (both males) will add a few more. Juanico are you listening ? Any idea for some dither fishes, tempted to use cardinals but they may be easy snacks for the Angels.
Other observations: The tank is cycled with water from my existing tank, 2203 filter that was in my existing tank. Cycling for over 3 weeks now. Have added few Black Mollies too.
Parameters: PH 6.4. Other readings will take later.
Pics: Wait for a while
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
Absolutely splendid customized background!
Reminds me of certain Oliver Knott creations though I believe this,when completed will surpass them by miles.
My only complaint is the height of the tank which if increased could really have added to the monstrosity of the scape.
Nevertheless, a thread to be definitely kept track of.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
u r so right, this is definitely very oliver knotty! His website is full of such backgrounds. Now, my brain is ticking and telling me i did hear that Bappa was in Germany a while ago.... i did try to persuade him to get some of those lovely blue white clouds minnows that u see on oliver's site (a staple in quality conscious german hobbyist breeders), but bappa wasnt concentrating it seems. he must have been staring at tank background all the while.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare
Thanks guys for such encoragement :-). Sujoyda, will put some plants, but let me see whether it would go well with the setup. I have lots of driftwoods in it (given my fascination for them , but may be I will remove a few so as to not cover the background, which I think is the main attraction.
Romi, didn't find time to visit Oliver Knott, but just see what merely staying in his country for a few days can do to you!
Now is the wait for the fishes. I will, to the extent possible give an weekly update
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