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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:27 am Post subject: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Hello  All,
 
 A. Two  of  my  angels  have  been  spawning  past  2  years  (unfortunately  both  were  females  thus  no  fry  ever)
 
 B. This  summer  got  a  male  from  a  group  of  juveniles  I  had  raised.  2  weeks  back  that  male  had  spawned  with  another  juvi  female  in  community  tank  but  ended  up  eating  all  the  eggs  after  few  hours.
 
 So  I  tried  spawning  a  gravid  female  from  (A)  the  male  from  (B)
 Had  moved  them  to  a  80  ltrs  tank  4  days  ago.  The  place  is  free  from  human  intervention  and  in  a  peaceful  corner.  
 Since  yesterday  they  have  been  cleaning  the  clay  pot  and  their  breeding  tubes  were  out.  So  expected  they  would  spawn  today  evening.
 Came  from  office  to  see  the  pot-full-a-eggs!
 
 The  spawn  must  have  occurred  between  3  PM  to  9  PM.
 Added  methylene  blue,  remove  sponge  filter  and  watched  –  the  female  was  fanning  the  eggs  but  the  male  was  fooling  around.  Gave  some  dried  blood  worms  since  they  must  have  been  tired  in  the  process.  The  male  ate  but  female  was  least  interested  in  eating  but  ate  a  few.
 Later  found  the  male  eating  the  eggs  …  in  2  mins  he  gulped  5  eggs  and  the  female  was  desperately  trying  to  push  him  off  the  pot  –  one  poor  inexperienced  male!!  Thus  removed  the  male.
 
 The  female  is  now  at  peace  with  her  eggs  –  fanning  them,  trying  to  remove  the  unfertilized  eggs.
 
 Though  I  was  interested  in  seeing  parental  care  of  angels  but  the  male  deceived  me   Sad   Not  sure  if  now  a  single  mother  can  bring  up  her  brood.  
 
 Regards,
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Congrats  Bro  ...  All  the  best  with  the  new  lot!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Angels  eggs  can  be  raised  artificially  once  the  male  has  fertilised   them.  The  lone  mother  to  be  definitely  be  able  to  take  care  of  the  eggs  and  fries  within  these  few  days.
 
 Congrats  to  you,  Suman.
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 Congrats.
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 Congrats..
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Lovely  work  Suman  keep  us  updated  Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 congrats  SumanG  dude  
 
 BTY  Beautiful  looking  angels  man  Thumb Up   Thumb Up   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Congrats  Suman..  Is  that  the  photography,  or  was  one  of  them  missing  the  ventral?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Thank  you  so  very  much  Darius,  Jabba,  Matnoh,  Deepak,  Nandy,  Abhishek,  Sergio  &  Deeps.
 
 @matnoh:  Yes,  you  are  right.  Have  read  quite  a  lot  about  artificially  raising  fries  from  eggs.  But  in  this  process  you  have  to  remove  fungus  riden  eggs  with  an  eye  dropper  -  not  my  cuppa  tea  Sad   But  would  love  to  try  it  once.  
 
 @Deeps:  you  notice  it  right.  The  female  has  only  the  base  of  ventral.  While  buying  did  not  notice  that.
 
 But  unfortunately  all  eggs  were  gone  after  24  hours.  Saw  the  female  had  stopped  fanning  and  there  were  only  few  (~15)  white  fungus  ridden  eggs  on  the  clay  pot.
 Phew  all  hopes  gone  in  vain   Sad  
 
 Well,  one  good  thing  is  at  10  PM  night,  I  saw  this  male  and  another  gravid  female  cleaning  an  amazon  leaf  in  my  community  tank.  Their  breeding  tubes  were  also  visible  (thin  and  long  for  the  male  &  short  and  stout  for  female).   2  weeks  back,  they  had  spawned  once  in  the  same  community  tank  but  had  eaten  all  the  eggs  after  few  hours.  (might  have  been  a  practice  session)
 I  had  cleaned  (infact  super  cleaned)  the  breeding  tank  (80  ltrs)  and  have  transferred  the  angel  pair  in  that.
 I  hope  tomorrow  evening  they  are  going  to  spawn.  So  I  have  few  hours  to  prepare  myself,  identify  and  correct  mistakes.
 
 Few  questions  I  have  and  would  be  obliged  if  anyone  can  guide  me  on  the  following:
 1. For  successful  spawns,  I  read  people  use  RO  water.  Is  RO  water  same  as  the  water  from  water  purifier  (e.g.  aquaguard)  ?
 2. If  I  add  50%  water  from  aquaguard  before  the  spawning,  should  it  be  fine?
 3. I  keep  the  CFL  (I  guess  its  8  w)  in  the  breeding  tank  on  all  time  when  they  spawn.  Is  this  correct?
 4. When  exactly  should  methylene  blue  be  added?  After  the  spawn  or  can  be  added  before  the  spawn?

 
 I  wish  this  event  goes  fine  now.  Eagar  so  see  tiny  fries  this  time.  
 
 Regards,
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Angels Spawned Reply with quote

 Yeah!  Water  ph  might  be  the  cause.
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 Hope  they  would  get  a  hang  of  it  soon.  And  wish  the  new  pairs  does  the  charm  this  time.  Smile  All  The  best.
 
 Not  sure  about  the  aquaguard  water  (I  dont  prefer  it  as  it  filters  all  the  salts,  as  far  as  I  know).  RO  water  is  the  one  that  you  get  in  20  liters  cans...  Though  I  never  used  it,  but  heard  many  having  a  successful  one  with  that.
 
 I  believe  you  got  to  separate  the  breeding  pair  to  the  tank,  let  them  settle  down  a  bit  and  then  do  a  water  change  with  RO  water  (or  atleast  50%  RO  water)  
 
 I  leave  a  light  source  turned  on  all  the  time  after  my  bettas  spawn,  so  that  the  parent  can  see  the  eggs  and  guard  them.
 
 Use  the  methylene  blue  right  after  the  spawn.
 
 Wait  for  the  experts  to  correct  me  if  I  was  wrong  anywhere....
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 Agreed,  the  use  of  methylene  blue  to  help  fight  fungus  at  eggs  raised  artificiallly  is  a  norm  to  angel  breeders.  See  my  photo  below  whereby  angel  eggs  laid  on  a  pvc  tube.  There  were  some  unfertilised  eggs.  But  as  the  qty  was  few,   I  didn't   remove  the  unfertilised  eggs   nor  add  the  MB.  All  fertilised  eggs  eventually  became  wrigglers  with  few  exceptions  for  those  very  near  to  the  unfertilsed  ones  that  got  affected  by  the  fungus.
 
 Due  to  space  constraints  at  my  apartment,  I  stopped  raising  angels  artificially  as  I  am  now  into  guppies.
 
 Wish  you  all  the  best  in  angels  breeding,  Suman.
 
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