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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

 Yeah  but  they  looks  good  under  light.  I  enjoyed  watching  them  under  uv.  Don't  keep  top  open.   Fish  like  to  jump  if  you  spook  them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

 Thanks  Venkat,  
 
 An  internal  filter  will  do  fine  as  long  as  you  keep  up  with  regular  small  water  changes.
 
 wont  i  create  too  much  of  a  current  in  the  tank  since  its  a  small  tank?  also  is  weekly  30%  change  acceptable?
 
 Goldfish  like  vegetable  matter  as  well.  
 
 so  i  can  give  them  any  small  chopped  veggie  pieces?  im  thinking  spinach/boiled  peas/  cauliflower  leaves?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

                                                   
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Yeah  but  they  looks  good  under  light.  I  enjoyed  watching  them  under  uv.  Don't  keep  top  open.   Fish  like  to  jump  if  you  spook  them.                

 
 My  point  exactly!  Its  so  much  of  an  object  of  visual  appeal  and  hence  lights  enhance  that;  also  there's  danger  of  fish  jumping..so  where  does  that  leave  me  HOB  or  Internal  filter??  may  i  can  put  a  HOB  and  put  the  lid  on  top  of  it,  the  lid  might  not  sit  perfectly  on  the  rim  of  the  tank  but  as  long  as  it  doesnt  affect  the  functioning  of  the  filter  i  can  live  with  that..  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

 Yeah  get  whatever  you  are  comfortable  with.  But  as  vkv  said  goldies  are  the  most  waste  producing  fish  ever  you  are  going  to  face.  I  would  say  go  for  a  canister.  But  do  it  fast..  Get  a  filter  ASAP.
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Heater  is  on  at  30  deg  C  should  i  always  keep  it  at  that  or  maybe  reduce  it  to  28  deg  C  after  the  fish  recover?  Pellets  it  is  from  now  BTW  wht  can  i  feed  them  as  a  variety  food  for  a  change?                

 Golds  are  basically  cold  water  fishes,  so  no  need  of  heater  after  recovery..
 I  would  suggest  to  feed  the  veg  only  once  per  week,  the  day  before  the  water  change.  Because  the  golds  are  messy  eaters  and  your  veg  will  make  a  mess  of  the  water  parameters..
 
                                                 
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wont  i  create  too  much  of  a  current  in  the  tank  since  its  a  small  tank?  also  is  weekly  30%  change  acceptable?                  

 The  reason  behind  suggesting  a  cannister  or  HOB  is  that  the  golds  poo  a  lot,  regular  internal  filters  will  not  work  as  effectively  as  these,  but  you  can  try  it..  30%  weekly  water  change  is  Ok,  but  if  you  are  fine  you  can  do  it  twice  weekly.  But  don't  increase  the  percentage  for  each  water  change,  increase  the  frequency  if  needed.
 
                                                 
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My  point  exactly!  Its  so  much  of  an  object  of  visual  appeal  and  hence  lights  enhance  that;  also  there's  danger  of  fish  jumping..                

 Golds  are  not  much  of  a  jumpers,  but  yes  you  need  the  lighting  for  visual  purpose..  so,  see  how  you  can  balance  lighting  hood  with  filter  type.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

 Hey  everybody,  Great  news!!  Fish  are  up  and  about.moving  all  around  the  tank  like  before,  fed  them  a  few  pellets  right  now  and  they  literally  gobbled  them  up!!   Cheering  i  guess  the  worst  is  behind,  now  i  just  need  to  keep  up  good  tank  practice  and  continue  learning!  Thanx  a  ton  guys  for  helping  me  out!   Rock On  
 
 i  have  ordered  a  sunsun  HBL  301  hob  filter;  lets  see  how  it  works  out.  Ill  keep  the  heater  on  for  a  day  or  two  then  will  remove  it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hey  everybody,  Great  news!!  Fish  are  up  and  about.moving  all  around  the  tank  like  before,  fed  them  a  few  pellets  right  now  and  they  literally  gobbled  them  up!!   Cheering  i  guess  the  worst  is  behind,  now  i  just  need  to  keep  up  good  tank  practice  and  continue  learning!  Thanx  a  ton  guys  for  helping  me  out!   Rock On  
 
 i  have  ordered  a  sunsun  HBL  301  hob  filter;  lets  see  how  it  works  out.  Ill  keep  the  heater  on  for  a  day  or  two  then  will  remove  it.                

 
 It  is  nice  to  know  that  your  fish  are  recovering.
 Do  not  make  too  many  changes  in  the  tank,  do  not  remove  heater  suddenly.
 Reduce  temperature  over  a  couple  of  weeks.
 For  example  if  it  is  on  30C  reduce  it  to  29c  and  let  it  remain  for  a  week,  then  reduce  it  by  1C  more  and   so  on.
 Fish  are  cold  blooded  animals  and  cannot  regulate  their  body  temperature,  so  you  need  to  do  it  for  them.
 Although  gold  fish  are  cold  water  fish  but  highly  inbred  varieties  like  black  moor  are  sensitive  to  temperature  changes.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Help required for sick blackmoors Reply with quote

 You  can  buy  a  sponge  filter  atleast  for  the  time  being.  Doesnt  the  water  get  cloudy  without  the  filter?  do  you  have  an  airstone  running  in  your  tank?
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Hey  everybody,  Great  news!!  Fish  are  up  and  about.moving  all  around  the  tank  like  before,  fed  them  a  few  pellets  right  now  and  they  literally  gobbled  them  up!!   Cheering  i  guess  the  worst  is  behind,  now  i  just  need  to  keep  up  good  tank  practice  and  continue  learning!  Thanx  a  ton  guys  for  helping  me  out!   Rock On  
 
 i  have  ordered  a  sunsun  HBL  301  hob  filter;  lets  see  how  it  works  out.  Ill  keep  the  heater  on  for  a  day  or  two  then  will  remove  it.                

 
 It  is  nice  to  know  that  your  fish  are  recovering.
 Do  not  make  too  many  changes  in  the  tank,  do  not  remove  heater  suddenly.
 Reduce  temperature  over  a  couple  of  weeks.
 For  example  if  it  is  on  30C  reduce  it  to  29c  and  let  it  remain  for  a  week,  then  reduce  it  by  1C  more  and   so  on.
 Fish  are  cold  blooded  animals  and  cannot  regulate  their  body  temperature,  so  you  need  to  do  it  for  them.
 Although  gold  fish  are  cold  water  fish  but  highly  inbred  varieties  like  black  moor  are  sensitive  to  temperature  changes.                

 
 oh  ok..so  gradual  change  of  temperature  it  is..thanx  for  these  pearls  of  wisdom!   Smile
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You  can  buy  a  sponge  filter  atleast  for  the  time  being.  Doesnt  the  water  get  cloudy  without  the  filter?  do  you  have  an  airstone  running  in  your  tank?                

 
 water  is  very  clear  at  present,  it  seems  it  has  cleared  some  over  the  last  two  days;  maybe  because  i  was  overfeeding  the  fish  which  i  have  controlled  now  so  the  clearer  water  will  post  a  pic  later.
 
 i  do  have  an  airstone  running  in  my  tank.
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 a  quick  pic  of  my  tank,  taken  with  my  cell  phone  cam  so  please  pardon  the  quality  
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 Okay!  I  thaught  so.  You  have  those  pebbles  which  are  good  but  it  hides  all  sinking  food  which  rots.  So  you  need  to  add  bottom  dwellers  or  snails  to  clear  up  sinking  food.  Also  Syphoning  the  rocks  are  really  important  .  Make  it  a  habbit.  Good  luck.  Remember...  they  always  beg  for  food  but   its  also  important  to  keep  the  water  healthy.  BTW  they  look  healthy.
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 It  is  a  very  good  setup,  I  like  the  creativity,  in  future  if  your  LFS  instructs  you  to  insert  a  shucker  fish  for  cleaning  the  gravel,  DONOT  accept  that.  I  am  sure  after  reading  Deepak's  post  you  will  go  and  ask  your  LFS  about  settled  food  in  the  gravel.  And  to  resolve  this  problem,  LFS  will  sell  you  a  Shucker  fish(pleco  fish).  It  will  ruin  your  whole  tank.
 
 put  some  snails  in  your  tank  for  cleaning  the  settled  food.  it  help.  I  also  have  goldfish,  I  change  water  daily,  feed  almost  upama,  blanched  peas,  blanched  spinach,  shrimps,  Aini  granules,  flakes,  tubifex  worms,  But  its  only  twice  a  day.  morning  and  night.
 
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It  is  a  very  good  setup,  I  like  the  creativity,  in  future  if  your  LFS  instructs  you  to  insert  a  shucker  fish  for  cleaning  the  gravel,  DONOT  accept  that.  I  am  sure  after  reading  Deepak's  post  you  will  go  and  ask  your  LFS  about  settled  food  in  the  gravel.  And  to  resolve  this  problem,  LFS  will  sell  you  a  Shucker  fish(pleco  fish).  It  will  ruin  your  whole  tank.
 
 put  some  snails  in  your  tank  for  cleaning  the  settled  food.  it  help.  I  also  have  goldfish,  I  change  water  daily,  feed  almost  upama,  blanched  peas,  blanched  spinach,  shrimps,  Aini  granules,  flakes,  tubifex  worms,  But  its  only  twice  a  day.  morning  and  night.
 
 good  luck  Thumb Up                

 
 It  is  a  very  good  setup,  I  like  the  creativity,  in  future  if  your  LFS  instructs  you  to  insert  a  shucker  fish  for  cleaning  the  gravel,  DONOT  accept  that.  I  am  sure  after  reading  Deepak's  post  you  will  go  and  ask  your  LFS  about  settled  food  in  the  gravel.  And  to  resolve  this  problem,  LFS  will  sell  you  a  Shucker  fish(pleco  fish).  It  will  ruin  your  whole  tank.
 
 Ahem..i  already  have  a  pleco  in  the  tank,  he  got  cropped  off  in  the  picture,  hanging  on  the  right  side  wall..hehehe..so  i  guess  ive  already  committed  that  error..wht  to  do  now?  The  LFS  dont  have  snails  here,  i  tried  after  reading  up  on  them..any  other  alternatives?  Also  how  does  a  pleco  hamper/ruin  the  tank?
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