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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 Hi  all.
 My  tank  specs  :  
 3  feet  x  1.5  feet  x  1.5  feet
 River  sand  substrate  (Came  very  cheap.  Has  sea  shells  mixed  with  it)
 39  W  T5H0  x  2  10000  K  Aquazonic
 39  W  PLL  X  2  6500  K  Chinese  make
 Pressurised  CO2  at  5bps
 SUNSUN  external  canister  filter  
 Overstocked  with  10  tetras,  10  zebras,  10  RCS,  2  angels,  2  algae  eaters,  4  mollies.
 Weekly  50%  water  change
 Weekly  AQUASOL  macro  (NPK  Ca,  Mg,  Sulphur)  and  micro  (Mn,  Bo,  Cu,  Fe,  Cl,  Mo,  Zn)
 My  issues  are  with  red  plants.
 Red  cabomba  melted  away.
 Rotala  Mini  Red  "Butterfly  is  green  colored.
 Rotala  macrandra  is  greying  at  the  bottom.
 
 What  can  be  done  to  rectify  this?
 1)Can  I  use  a  laterite  substrate?  Is  so,  Do  I  have  to  replant  everything?
 2)Should  I  change  fertilizers  or  frequency?  Should  I  dose  Iron  separately?  
 Getting  testing  kits  will  be  too  expensive.  Also  mixing  my  own  ferts  is  a  daunting  task.  Can't  get  the  stock  dry  fertilizers  here  in  my  area.  
 Please  help...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 I  see  that  you  do  not  have  a  rich  substrate.  You  will  have  to  make  sure  that  your  macro/micro  dosing  is  perfect  to  make  up  the  scarcity  in  the  substrate.  Some  plants  are  root  feeders  and  they  require  a  good  substrate  even  if  you  feed  the  water  column.  I  had  the  best  red  coloration  when  I  upgraded  to  T5HOx4  and  co2  cylinder.
 
 Laterite  substrate  will  be  a  good  alternative.  Rich  in  iron  and  cheaper.  I  do  not  believe  the  micro  which  you  are  dosing  has  all  the  stuff  in  it  ,  even  though  its  mentioned  on  the  bottle.  Most  of  them  have  a  short  shelf  life  and  are  quite  costly.  The  Chinese  ones  are  sold  for  150-200  which  is  "too  good  to  be  true".  There  is  a  product  called  CSM-B  which  lot  of  people  here  use.  You  will  have  to  get  it  imported  or  from  some  hobbyist  who  has  extra.  It  sells  in  kgs  and  so  you  can  even  tie  up  with  other  buyers  and  buy  in  bulk.
 You  can  buy  chelated  iron  which  even  I  was  using  for  planted  tank.  There  are  better  forms  of  iron  to  make  it  more  efficient,  but  chelated  iron  works.  Its  cheaper  if  you  buy  from  a  laboratory  and  mix  it  in  a  dosing  bottle  whenever  required.
 For  macros,  buy  Kno3,  K2So4/KCl,  MgS04(optional),  KH2PO4.  They  are  cheap  if  you  buy  from  labs  and  will  last  for  years.....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 cichlid_lover  :   Thank  you.  Can  you  suggest  someone  in  chennai  who  sells  these  stuff?  I  have  people  in  Chennai  who  can  get  it  for  me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 @  DRDHEEP...You  can  get  these  lab  grade  chemicals  @  wholesale  rates  in  chemist  shops  near  to  mint  street,  parrys,  Chennai.
 
 Just  one  quick  question...whatz  the  size  of  the  granules  of  the  river  sand  you  used...if  its  too  fine,  that  would  also  be  the  reason  for  the  plants  melting-off..in  this  case  Red  plants  shows  the  sign  first.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 How  much  are  you  dosing?
 Substrate  makes  a  big  difference,  I  have  a  similar  sized  tank  with  lesser  lights  about  135  watts  of  CFL,  but  plants  are  booming.
 Even  hygro  C  which  is  not  exactly  a  red  plant  is  turning  red.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 High  iron  in  your  tank  is  not  the  main  way  to  make  your  plants  red  but  it  will  help  to  some  extent
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 Considering  that  all  other  plants  of  yours  are  doing  well....I  think  it  has  to  be  with  the  iron  deficiency  
 
 I  had  similar  challenges  until  recently  (I  have  inert  substrate  mixed  with  humus)  ...then  I  bought  Seachem  Iron...which  is  showing  excellent  results  in  a  couple  of  weeks....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 Scorpio  has  shared  his  post  by  PM  in  another  forum.  I  give  his  link  [url=aquapetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=447&p=20102&hilit=redness#p20102]here[/url]
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 Dosing  is  as  per  instructions  printed  on  aquasol  bottle.  The  label  lists  only  components  not  the  quantity  of  each  mineral.  I  dose  about  5ml  for  the  180  litres  each  WEEK  at  water  change.
 This  aquasol  is  same  fertiliser  which  was  being  sold  by  greenpal  aqua  plants,  known  for  their  high  quality  plants.  
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 Thanks  for  your  help.
 Substrate  is  coarse  gravel  average  size  is  3  to  5mm.  About  30%  is  crushed  sea  shells  in  the  gravel.  Tank  is  3  months  old.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 Crushed  sea  shells  in  planted  tank?  I  guess  you  will  have  to  make  sure  your  ph  is  not  on  the  wrong  side.  Sea  shells  are  normally  not  added  to  planted  tanks  as  they  change  the  pH.
 
 Parrys,Chennai  is  the  right  place  for  all   the  chemicals  you  are  looking  for.  The  only  thing  is  you  have  to  buy  in  500gm  bottles,  even  though  the  amount  of  some  chemicals  like  KH2PO4  required  for  dosing  will  be  as  low  as  1  gram  or  so....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Red plants not doing well Reply with quote

 I  did  not  add  the  sea  shells.  It  was  a  cheap  substrate.  Came  with  shells  in  it.
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 Not  sure  if  the  LFS  cheated  you,  because  river  sand  will  normally  not  have  sea  shells  in  it.  Probably  he  sold  the  cheaper  sea  sand  with  shells  in  it.  30%  shells  is  too  much  for  river  sand.  My  doubts  would  be  its  sea  sand.  In  that  case  it  has  all  the  bad  stuff  for  a  planted  aquarium.  Any  algae  problems  in  your  tank??
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 I  went  for  the  cheapest  substrate.  The  sand  is  big  granules.  So  thought  it  was  river  sand.  Could  be  also  from  the  sea.  Posting  a  picture  of  the  substrate.
 
 
 cichlid_lover  :  Have  BBA,  and  other  algae  on  few  plants.  Not  severe.
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 This  is  not  a  proper  substrate  for  a  planted  tank.
 The  particle  size  is  too  big.
 It  is  difficult  to  have  a  nice  planted  tank  without  a  good  substrate.
 A  good  substrate  does  not  have  to  be  a  branded  substrate.
 A  substrate  of  river  sand  with  particle  size  between  2-3  mm  and  a  bottom  layer  is  laterite  is  good  enough.
 
 
                                                 
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 Dosing  is  as  per  instructions  printed  on  aquasol  bottle.  The  label  lists  only  components  not  the  quantity  of  each  mineral.  I  dose  about  5ml  for  the  180  litres  each  WEEK  at  water  change.
 This  aquasol  is  same  fertiliser  which  was  being  sold  by  greenpal  aqua  plants,  known  for  their  high  quality  plants.
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 As  the  components  of  fertilizer  are  not  known,  any  worthwhile  recommendation  cannot  be  given.
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 Can  I  use  New  Amazonia  on  top  of  this  gravel?
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 Sandeep  I  think  gravel  size  is  decent  enough.  May  be  about  size  of  ADA  pellets  or  even  fluorite  chips.
 
 The  shells  might  be  a  problem  though.  If  there's  too  much  then  issue.  Because  in  walsted's  tank  little  doesn't  affect  too  much  and  not  reds  atleast.
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