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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 Just  recently  I  visited  Sergio-a  fellow  member  &  now  a  good  friend  of  mine  in  fact  like  elder  brother  &  found  Hamza  inspired  Ext.  filter.  But  he  did  some  modifications  &  I'm  attaching  image  to  explain  in  detail.  Well  he  is  always  there  to  help  me  out  from  his  busy  schedule  but  it  makes  me  feel  little  awkward  asking  him  to  visit  my  place  so  I  want  to  do  it  by  myself;  kindly  advise  me.
 Follo.  illustration  is  the  way  he  Set  it  up-
   
 
 Stuff  I've  got-
 Sprayer-
   
 
 Tube-
   
 
 Power  head  of  my  SOBO  Filter-
   
   
 
 L  shape  &  ROD-
   
   
 
 Filter  body-
   
   
 
 Sponge-
   
   
 
 Filter  cotton-
   
   
 
 ceramic  rings-
 Yet  to  buy
 
 His  Setup's  working-
 The  power  heads  pulls  the  water  &  through  tube  which  is  connected  to  L  shape/rod,  that  rod  goes  about  1inch  inside  bottom  cover  horizontally  &  sealed  with  weldon.  Then  inside  there's  all  stuff  kept  one  upon  one  &  finally  Top  cap  is  drilled  where  another  L  shape/rod  is  fixed  to  which  another  tube  is  attached  with  sprayer  it  pushes  filtered  water  inside  tank.  His  Tank  &  filter  both  on  same  level
 
 
 Now  what  makes  it  bit  apart  from  Hamza-
 1.  Power  head  is  stick  inside  Tank  as  shown  in  illustration
 2.  No  valves/flow  controller  used
 3.  He  made  4  stage(but  I'm  doing  3  stage)
 
 My  concerns-
 Tank  will  be  on  table  &  filter  will  be  kept  on  ground.  Well  he's  actually  using  Power  head  available  separately  in  market  where  I  plan  for  sobo  filter's  as  used  in  original  concept.  Now  where  should  I  attach  tube  to  it  to  make  it  as  inlet(take  water  inside)?  Then  should  I  drill  at  bottom  horizontally  &  put  that  L  shape/rod  into  it?  Then  inside  how  to  put  filtering  material-  cut  it  down  in  circular  shape  or  put  as  it  is?  ordering?  a  fruit  basket  can  be  used  to  keep  all  in  once  so  while  cleaning  instead  of  removing  each  and  every  entire  thing  can  be  removed?  
 Well  at  this  juncture  I  don't  understand  how  water  will  come  to  TOP  despite  these  materials  in  between?
 Similar  process  to  drill  &  tube  connection  at  top  like  bottom  one?  
 can  I  manage  to  do  or  tank's  upward  &  filter's  downward  position  will  matter?  Ardalite  can  be  used  instead  weldon?
 
 Sorry  for  asking  too  much  but  a  single  mistake  will  only  make  matter  worse  as  I  somehow  managed  to  convince  my  parents-got  funds  &  I  will  be  only  scolded  for  loss  not  for  efforts  Sad   Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 The  sobo  filter  wont  work  properly  for  long  or  at  all  since  these  filter  powerheads  are  not  designed  to  pump  water  to  a  height.  You  will  need  a  separate  powerhead  meant  for  this  purpose.  Lok  for  fountain  pumps  for  a  cheap  alternative
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:52 am Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 +1^^
 
 The  power  head  won't  cut  it.  What's  the  size  of  your  tank?  And  size  of  your  external  filter  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:35 am Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 Are  you  sure  about  what  you  are  doing?
 Since  you  are  risking  your  parents  money  and  the  possibility  of  a  sound  thrashing  from  your  parents.
 I  would  give  one  sound  advice,  if  you  not  sure  of  what  you  are  doing..  then  don't  do  it,  at  least  not  till  you  get  the  basic  idea.
 Constructing  a  canister  filter  is  not  as  easy  as  it  seems,  and  has  lots  of  complications  even  after  you  finish.
 You  might  be  inspired  by  many  DIY  filters,  but  remember  that  they  show  only  the  initial  success-part  when  they  are  working  fine..  may  be  few  months.
 They  will  not  report  when  their  filter  fails  as  they  don't  want  their  reputation  to  go  bad,  which  gives  the  impression  that  it  is  working  fine..
 So,  Its  better  if  you  buy  a  filter  such  as  SUN-SUN  or  other  chinese  filters.  they  are  cheap  and  save  you  the  hard  work  and  money  in  the  long  run.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:48 am Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

                                                   
Nidhi  wrote  (View  Post):                
Are  you  sure  about  what  you  are  doing?
 Since  you  are  risking  your  parents  money  and  the  possibility  of  a  sound  thrashing  from  your  parents.
 I  would  give  one  sound  advice,  if  you  not  sure  of  what  you  are  doing..  then  don't  do  it,  at  least  not  till  you  get  the  basic  idea.
 Constructing  a  canister  filter  is  not  as  easy  as  it  seems,  and  has  lots  of  complications  even  after  you  finish.
 You  might  be  inspired  by  many  DIY  filters,  but  remember  that  they  show  only  the  initial  success-part  when  they  are  working  fine..  may  be  few  months.
 They  will  not  report  when  their  filter  fails  as  they  don't  want  their  reputation  to  go  bad,  which  gives  the  impression  that  it  is  working  fine..
 So,  Its  better  if  you  buy  a  filter  such  as  SUN-SUN  or  other  Chinese  filters.  they  are  cheap  and  save  you  the  hard  work  and  money  in  the  long  run.                

 
 +1.  Considering  the  amount  of  money  and  time  you  will  be  spending  on  this,  it  will  be  cheaper  if  you  opt  for  a  Chinese  make  filter.  Also  if  you  plan  to  run  the  DIY  filter  say  in  2*1*1ft  the  cost  the  materials  used  will  be  much  higher  compared  to  a  commonly  available  300-400lph  filter.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:29 am Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 This  place
 http://www.imagebam.com/image/348cd9237947191
 If  you  use  a  very  thin  pipe  on  this  pump  instead  of  the  big  one,  you  ll  be  able  to  pull  it  off.
 +  you  need  a  wider  pipe  on  other  end.
 
 Now  that  you  ve  bought  so  much  equipment,  take  the  pluNGe.  Thumb Up  
 
 
 
 
                                                 
Nidhi  wrote  (View  Post):                
Constructing  a  canister  filter  is  not  as  easy  as  it  seems,  and  has  lots  of  complications  even  after  you  finish.
 You  might  be  inspired  by  many  DIY  filters,  but  remember  that  they  show  only  the  initial  success-part  when  they  are  working  fine..  may  be  few  months.
 They  will  not  report  when  their  filter  fails  as  they  don't  want  their  reputation  to  go  bad,  which  gives  the  impression  that  it  is  working  fine.                

 
 
 Minus  1
 
 Did  you  ever  ask  them  to  post  update  every  few  months  about  their  filters,  why  dont  you  take  a  "dichh"  at  them  and  then  complain?
 
 +1  on  the  things  I  dint  quote  above.  Rock On
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 @  Saikumar,
 I  didn't  mean  that  all  DIY  filters  are  failures..  just  giving  him  the  big  picture..
 And,  I  can  see  that  he  has  no  clue  about  a  canister  construction  and  working,
 So  just  wanted  him  to  stay  away  from  all  the  trouble..
 I  would  have  given  him  a  thumbs  up  if  he  had  financed  it  himself..  Very Happy  
 Any  how,  hope  you  will  help  him  to  get  it  right..  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 Dont  worry  go  ahead-  but  you  do  the  right  thing,  everyone  puts  the  pump  in  the  tank-  YOU  PUT  THE  PUMP  inside  the  filter  sump/canister  to  send  the  water  back  to  the  tank-  thts  the  original  way.  Thumb Up  
 
 Remember-  knowledge  just  "read-about"  and  never  used  stays  little  in  that  little  brain-  and  "little  knowledge  is  dangerous"
 
 Knowledge  utilised  and  successfully  utilised  is  real  knowledge-
 
 Its  a  good  start  in  life,  today  you  are  using  what  you  have  learnt  and  all  the  best  to  you-  god  bless  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 Waiting  for  the  final  execution................
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 I  accept  the  words  of  garothmaan.
 Everyman  success  is  behind  some  fault.   So  that  he  can  rectify  the  things.
 One  man's  failure  may  be  other's  success.  Learn  and  experience  leads  success.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 Shri  -  Get  going....  Can't  say  if  it  will  succeed  or  not  but  will  be  a  good  learning  experience  for  you.  
 
 1.  IMO,  using  a  SOBO  powerhead  instead  of  a  pump  is  like  attaching  ceiling  fan  leaves  to  an  exhaust  fan.......
 
 2.  Next  thing  to  think  about  is  the  cleaning  of  the  canister  after  a  few  weeks.   I  dont  think  you  will  be  leak-free  once  you  open  it,  unless  the  build  is  perfect.  All  commercial  canisters  have  o-rings  and  locks  which  prevent  leaks.  With  this  DIY  canister,  you  run  a  major  risk  of  flooding.  
 
 3.  One  of  the  main  advantages  of  a  canister  is  the  high  surface  area  due  to  the  larger  filter  compartments.  Here  it  doesn;t  look  like  it  has  much  space  for  media.  Isn't  it  much  easier  to  buy  those  internal  filters  which  have  3  sections  -  sponge,  ceramic,  bio  balls...  Its  cheaper(7xx)  and  never  bother  about  leaks.
 
 Anyways,  you  haven't  made  much  investment.  So  worth  giving  a  try  and  prepare  for  the  next  big  proper  canister  you  will  make  next.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

 Hi  shri-novice
   
 there  is  no  fault  in  your  design  i.e  keeping  the  powerhear  in  the  tank  however  look  wise  it  may  not  be  great  .
 
 just  remember  one  thing  due  to  gravity  the  water  can  travel  to  the  same  height  from  where  it  is  released  .
 
 now,say  your  tank  is  at  a  height  of  4  ft  from  the  garound  .  put  one  end  of  the  pipe  inside  the  tank  and  pull  the  water  from  other  side  .you  will  see  the  water  is  reaching  till  4  feet  and  stops.   this  is  happening  due  to  garavity  .
 
 Now  you  add  a  pump  to  the  end  of  the  pipe  which  is  inside  the  tank  .  due  to  the  garavity  and  pump  pressure  the  water  will  climb  more  than  4  feet  .
 it  depends  on  the  powerhead  Hmax  and  flow  rating  how  far  it  can  climb  .
 
 Ponits  you  shld  consider  .
 1.  Due  to  filter  media  inside  the  canister  there  will  be  pressure  loss  .
 
 Hope  i  could  put  some  light  on  the  basics.   
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

                                                   
radjanair  wrote  (View  Post):                

 I  accept  the  words  of  garothmaan.
 Everyman  success  is  behind  some  fault.   So  that  he  can  rectify  the  things.
 One  man's  failure  may  be  other's  success.  Learn  and  experience  leads  success.
 All  the  Best.
                 

 
 Thankyou  Sir
 
 
 There  si  1  more  idea,  which  doesnot  even  require  a  power  head,  just  only  1  good  air  pump  with  2  nozzles
 
 Insert   a  1"  pvc  pipe  inside  the  tank  till  the  bottom.  
 
 attach  an  elbow  on  the  top  side.  drill  a  hole  on  the  elbow.  
 
 remove  the  elbow  and  insert  a  small  pipe  (connector)  into  it  from  the  inner  side.  
 
 from  inside  the  elbow  join  a  silicon  air  pipe  and  run  it  down  to  the  end  of  the  long  pvc  pipe  till  just  1  inch  abiove  from  the  bottom  of  the  tank.
 
 at  the  end  of  this  silicon  pipe  attach  an  airstone.  attach  the  elbow  to  the  PVC  pipe  on  the  top.  Now  you  have  a  silicon  pipe  with  an  airstone  inside  the  pvc  pipe.
 
 run  air  through  it  from  the  top  ,  you  will  see  that  water  will  come  out  of  the  elbow.  Transport  this  water  into  the  canister.  (  remember  the  pump  should  have  enough  air  thrust  to  to  move  the  water  up)
 
 Same  way  put  another  pipe  assembly  into  the  sump/canister  and  transport  the  clear  water  into  the  tank.
 
 The  water  flow  will  be  alittle  slow,  but  it  will  save  a  lot  of  electricity  and  there  wont  be  any  disaster  during  power  cuts  also.
 
 its  very  simple,  UG  filters  move  water  as  above.
 
 the  cost  of  it  will  be  below  600  bucks.  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

                                                   
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radjanair  wrote  (View  Post):                

 I  accept  the  words  of  garothmaan.
 Everyman  success  is  behind  some  fault.   So  that  he  can  rectify  the  things.
 One  man's  failure  may  be  other's  success.  Learn  and  experience  leads  success.
 All  the  Best.
                 

 
 Thankyou  Sir
 
 
 There  si  1  more  idea,  which  doesnot  even  require  a  power  head,  just  only  1  good  air  pump  with  2  nozzles
 
 Insert   a  1"  pvc  pipe  inside  the  tank  till  the  bottom.  
 
 attach  an  elbow  on  the  top  side.  drill  a  hole  on  the  elbow.  
 
 remove  the  elbow  and  insert  a  small  pipe  (connector)  into  it  from  the  inner  side.  
 
 from  inside  the  elbow  join  a  silicon  air  pipe  and  run  it  down  to  the  end  of  the  long  pvc  pipe  till  just  1  inch  abiove  from  the  bottom  of  the  tank.
 
 at  the  end  of  this  silicon  pipe  attach  an  airstone.  attach  the  elbow  to  the  PVC  pipe  on  the  top.  Now  you  have  a  silicon  pipe  with  an  airstone  inside  the  pvc  pipe.
 
 run  air  through  it  from  the  top  ,  you  will  see  that  water  will  come  out  of  the  elbow.  Transport  this  water  into  the  canister.  (  remember  the  pump  should  have  enough  air  thrust  to  to  move  the  water  up)
 
 Same  way  put  another  pipe  assembly  into  the  sump/canister  and  transport  the  clear  water  into  the  tank.
 
 The  water  flow  will  be  alittle  slow,  but  it  will  save  a  lot  of  electricity  and  there  wont  be  any  disaster  during  power  cuts  also.
 
 its  very  simple,  UG  filters  move  water  as  above.
 
 the  cost  of  it  will  be  below  600  bucks.  
 
   Clapping                

 
 This  is  an  excellent  suggestion  Garothmaan...  The  part  I  don't  understand  is  the  supple  from  the  canister  back...  To  lift  water  to  a  height,  one  would  need  a  pump...
 Unless  both  the  canister  and  he  tank  are  on  the  same  level...
 To  add  to  your  idea,  an  addition  of  a  sponge  at  the  bottom  in  the  tank  will  be  added  benefit...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: DIY External Filter Help Reply with quote

                                                   
Mortis  wrote  (View  Post):                
The  sobo  filter  wont  work  properly  for  long  or  at  all  since  these  filter  powerheads  are  not  designed  to  pump  water  to  a  height.  You  will  need  a  separate  powerhead  meant  for  this  purpose.  Lok  for  fountain  pumps  for  a  cheap  alternative                

 
                                                 
Naj88  wrote  (View  Post):                
+1^^
 The  power  head  won't  cut  it.  What's  the  size  of  your  tank?  And  size  of  your  external  filter  ?                

 
                                                 
ruchit  wrote  (View  Post):                
+1.  Considering  the  amount  of  money  and  time  you  will  be  spending  on  this,  it  will  be  cheaper  if  you  opt  for  a  Chinese  make  filter.  Also  if  you  plan  to  run  the  DIY  filter  say  in  2*1*1ft  the  cost  the  materials  used  will  be  much  higher  compared  to  a  commonly  available  300-400lph  filter.                

 It's  sad  sobo  won't  work  but  I  would  like  to  give  it  a  try.  The  tank  size  is  3  x  1  x  1.25  fts.  Total  costing  so  far  is  Rs.1500/-.  Yes  that's  true  chinese  one  will  cost  cheaper  but  wanted  something  durable  with  performance  so  opted  for  it.  Anyways  there's  no  back  out  I  will  go  ahead  with  help  from  you  guys.
 
 
                                                 
cichlid_lover  wrote  (View  Post):                
Shri  -  Get  going....  Can't  say  if  it  will  succeed  or  not  but  will  be  a  good  learning  experience  for  you.  
 3.  One  of  the  main  advantages  of  a  canister  is  the  high  surface  area  due  to  the  larger  filter  compartments.  Here  it  doesn;t  look  like  it  has  much  space  for  media.  Isn't  it  much  easier  to  buy  those  internal  filters  which  have  3  sections  -  sponge,  ceramic,  bio  balls...  Its  cheaper(7xx)  and  never  bother  about  leaks.
 Anyways,  you  haven't  made  much  investment.  So  worth  giving  a  try  and  prepare  for  the  next  big  proper  canister  you  will  make  next.                

 Are  u  suggesting  something  like  this??  -
 http://www.ebay.in/itm/AQUARIUM-FISH-TANK-ASIAN-STAR-INTERNAL-FILTER-WATER-PURIFIER-FE-1504-/230922651340?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item35c41006cc&_uhb=1
 
 
                                                 
srab  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hi  shri-novice
   there  is  no  fault  in  your  design  i.e  keeping  the  powerhead  in  the  tank  however  look  wise  it  may  not  be  great  .
 just  remember  one  thing  d...........Hope  i  could  put  some  light  on  the  basics.All  the  best   Thumb Up                

 It  taught  a  lot  to  me  :)
 
 
                                                 
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garothmaan  wrote  (View  Post):                
Dont  worry  go  ahead-  but  you  do  the  right  thing,  everyone  puts  the  pump  in  the  tank-  YOU  PUT  THE  PUMP  inside  the  filter  sump/canister  to  send  the  water  back  to  the  tank-  thts  the  original  way.  Thumb Up  
 
 Remember-  knowledge  just  "read-about"  and  never  used  stays  little  in  that  little  brain-  and  "little  knowledge  is  dangerous"
 
 Knowledge  utilised  and  successfully  utilised  is  real  knowledge-
 Its  a  good  start  in  life,  today  you  are  using  what  you  have  learnt  and  all  the  best  to  you-  god  bless  Thumb Up                

 Thankyou  Sir
 
 
 There  si  1  more  idea,  which  doesnot  even  require  a  power  head,  just  only  1  good  air  pump  with  2  nozzles
 
 Insert   a  1"  pvc  pipe  inside  the  tank  till  the  bottom.  
 
 attach  an  elbow  on  the  top  side.  drill  a  hole  on  the  elbow.  
 
 remove  the  elbow  and  insert  a  small  pipe  (connector)  into  it  from  the  inner  side.  
 
 from  inside  the  elbow  join  a  silicon  air  pipe  and  run  it  down  to  the  end  of  the  long  pvc  pipe  till  just  1  inch  abiove  from  the  bottom  of  the  tank.
 
 at  the  end  of  this  silicon  pipe  attach  an  airstone.  attach  the  elbow  to  the  PVC  pipe  on  the  top.  Now  you  have  a  silicon  pipe  with  an  airstone  inside  the  pvc  pipe.
 
 run  air  through  it  from  the  top  ,  you  will  see  that  water  will  come  out  of  the  elbow.  Transport  this  water  into  the  canister.  (  remember  the  pump  should  have  enough  air  thrust  to  to  move  the  water  up)
 
 Same  way  put  another  pipe  assembly  into  the  sump/canister  and  transport  the  clear  water  into  the  tank.
 
 The  water  flow  will  be  alittle  slow,  but  it  will  save  a  lot  of  electricity  and  there  wont  be  any  disaster  during  power  cuts  also.
 
 its  very  simple,  UG  filters  move  water  as  above.
 
 the  cost  of  it  will  be  below  600  bucks.  
 
   Clapping                

 Sir,  your  encouraging  words  means  a  lot  Smile  can  I  implement  your  idea  with  stuff  I've  got?
 I  saw  one  of  your  images  where  you  used  some  Wall  Paint  ka  dibba  &  then  after  opening  lot  of  dirt  inside  what  was  that?
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