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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Hello,
 
 I  am  relatively  a  new  hobbyist.  Everything  was  going  fine  until  I  observed  a  few  plants  in  my  tank.  I  realized  plants  like  Cabomba  come  out  of  the  substrate  but  their  roots  are  intact  to  the  ground...
 
 Another  thing  is  with  my  water  sprite.  Earlier,  they  were  all  fine  and  growing  well,  I  had  to  like  re-plant  them  but  now  they  hardly  grow.  Also,  the  roots  are  melting...
 
 Why  is  this  happening?
 
 FYI-  L=  24  inches  (61cms)  x  B=  11.6  inches  (30cms)  x  H=  9  inches  (23cms)
 
 I  have  two  lighting  36w  each  but  I  switch  on  one  light  at  a  time  (for  6/8  hours)
 I  use  1ml  flourish  excel  thrice  a  week
 Ferropol  5ml  every  2  weeks
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 I  don't  see  any  plant  doing  well  there..
 They  are  suffering  from  nutrition  deficiencies..  What  substrate  are  you  using..?
 Problem  is,  when  a  new  plant  is  bought  and  planted..  it  starts  to  grow  initially  using  the  stored  food  in  the  plants  itself.
 So  if  there  is  no  nutrition  to  make  food  during  this  period,  they  will  start  deteriorating..  and  eventually  die..
 so  start  dosing  ferts  immediately..
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Plants  need  a  fertile  substrate  to  grow,  your  substrate  particles  are  too  big  and  do  not  seem  to  have  any  nutrient.
 Check  out  the  planted  tank  forum  for  more  information.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Sandeep  :  You  are  not  entirely  correct.  Plants  dont  NEED  a  fertile  substrate  to  grow  but  they  BENEFIT  from  a  fertile  substrate.
 
 Ajay:  Add  1ml  Excel  DAILY.  Also  start  DIY  Yeast  CO2.  Your  liquid  fert  dosing  is  too  low  and  large  gap  is  there.  See  the  dosage  on  the  bottle.  Calculate  for  your  size  tank.  DOUBLE  or  TRIPLE  it  and  divide  the  dose  by  7  and  dose  that  daily.  This  prevents  fluctuating  fert  levels  which  stress  out  the  plants
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 There's  no  dosage  instruction  on  the  bottle...The  shopkeeper  told  me  to  put  every  fortnight.  So  maybe,  5ml=15days,  1  day=?  
 
 I  don't  know  much  about  CO2  dosage,  will  look  up  for  yeast  CO2
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Mortis  I  believe  plants  cant  take  up  all  the  nutrients  they  need  form  the  liquid  ferts.
 They  need  fertile  substrate  as  well,  since  a  major  part  of  the  nutrients  they  take  from  the  roots.
 
 I  have  never  seen  plants  in  the  wild  growing  in  inert  areas  instead  most  of  them  grow  at  areas  where  the  base  is  that  murky  thing  with  loads  of  nutrients.  In  the  same  river  there  will  be  places  where  there  is  sandy  substrate  with  no  plants.
 
   But  it  is  a  topic  we  need  to  discuss
 I  am  starting  a  new  thread  for  this  here
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=327586#327586
 
 For  agarwals  issue  he  is  using  that  crushed  red  laterite  which  is  rich  in  Iron.
 SO  as  per  me  you  should  have  had  a  nutrient  base  like  oceanfree  plant  base  or  the  JBL  counter  part  or  a  very  little  of  vermicompost.
 Also  before  doing  any  substrate  change  add  liquid  fertilizers  and  see.(BTW  liquid  ferts  is  a  must)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Jabba,  Like  I  said  a  fertile  substrate,  especially  in  the  case  of  heavy  root  feeders  like  crypts  but  it  is  definitely  not  essential.  
 So  many  of  us  use  river  sand  which  is  almost  inert  and  grow  plants  well  with  only  liquid  ferts  and  CO2.  
 The  example  you  have  given  of  the  river  is  interesting  but  in  a  natural  environment  there  are  too  many  factors  involved  so  you  cannot  always  make  an  accurate  assumption  based  on  that.  However  you  can  come  to  a  better  conclusion  by  taking  a  planted  aquarium  into  consideration  which  is  an  artificial  environment  and  we  have  a  greater  control  over  parameters.
 
 Read  up  on  Foliar  feeding  and  you  will  see  that  even  land  plants  prefer  uptaking  nutrients  from  their  leaves  and  the  plants  that  have  fertilizers  sprayed  on  them  do  much  better  than  those  that  have  not.
 
 I  would  say  that  the  most  important  nutrient  is  CO2.  Everything  else  is  secondary
 
 
 Ajay  :  I  guess  you  can  add  0.5  -  1ml  DAILY  without  any  issues.Add  1ml  Excel  daily  also.  Keep  a  watch  and  report  back
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 I  shall  follow  your  advice...Will  report  back.  But  there's  something  seriously  wrong,  my  died  a  few  hours  back.  It  was  the  most  active  one...eating  well  too.  No  spots  or  disease,  dunno  what  happened  all  of  a  sudden...  Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Update
 
 My  plants  are  doing  better  after  following  Mortis'  advice.  Greener  and  firmer  relatively!
 
 Thanks  a  lot!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 You  are  most  welcome
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 Mortis,
 
 Back  to  the  grind.  Again  facing  the  same  problems.  Now  someone  told  me  to  not  use  Seachem  everyday.  They  have  an  adverse  effect  on  fish  and  PLANTS  as  well.
 
 My  guppies  at  the  surface  (could  be  for  food)  and  water  sprite  stems  are  melting....
 
 I  read  a  few  articles  on  the  side-effects  of  seachem  flourish  excel  and  they  are  similar  to  mine...
 
 What  would  you  suggest?
 
 PS.  Since  my  plants  are  not  doing  good,  shall  I  use  airstone  now?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Fishy Plants. Help! Reply with quote

 Ajay  
 
 Guppies  are  top  feeders  so  thats  their  area  of  operation
 
 Its  summer  now  everything  will  start  melting
 
 What  your  tank  temperature  ?  Mine  is  33.
 
 Reduce  your  dosing.....Dont  dose  in  excess  and  dose  Seachem  alternate  days
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 Its  possibly  due  to  the  temperature  and  bad  quality  of  water  we  are  getting  nowadays.
 
 After  my  last  water  change  even  my  fish  are  very  restless  and  skittish.  Shrimp  have  gone  into  hiding.  Please  state  what  your  dosing  and  tank  conditions  are  now.  Is  your  filter  on  24/7  ?
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 Pio,  my  temp.  is  around  29/30.  The  tank  is  in  my  room,  so  the  AC  brings  the  temp  down  to  25  every  night.
 The  juvenile  guppies  have  become  lethargic  since  my  last  water  change...
 
 Mortis,  yes,  I  never  switch  it  off.  1ml  seachem  daily,  5ml  ferropol  every  week
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 One  of  these  days  last  week  was  so  hot.  
 I  lost  2  Endlers,  1  Threadfin  and  1  Endler  Guppy
 
 Run  an  oxygen  air  stone  in  that  tank  especially  at  night
 
 I  think  I'll  also  run  one  in  mine
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