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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:18 am Post subject: clarification needed about dosing fertz Reply with quote

 Hey  guys  ,   
 Need  help  regarding  fertilizers
 
 I  have  procured  all  the  required  salts  for  the  macro  and  micro  fertz  ,  but  the  confusion  is  that  the  hobbyist  who  sold  me  the  fertz  ,  sujo  sir  has  instructed  me  to  dissolve  the  salts  in  water  in  Some  proportions  and  instructed  to  add  the  fertz  only  once  a  week  during  water  changes  
 
 But  in  another  thread  on  iah  by  Shelly  ,  he  has  mentioned  his  fertilization  routine  ,  in  that  he  states  that  he  doses  macros  and  micros  on  alternate  days  with  Saturday  as  rest  day  
 
 So  I'm  very  much  confused  about  how  to  dose  the  fertz  ,  
 Please  do  help  me  out  with  this  I  don't  want  to  end  up  doing  something  wrong
 
 My  tank  is  a  2ft(2*1*1)  tank  with  contro  soil  as  substrate  
 Lighting  55w  pl  l  
 
 Also  suggest  the  recommended  lighting  hours  please  
 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:11 am Post subject: Re: clarification needed about dosing fertz Reply with quote

 Hi,
 first  of  all  let  me  warn  you  that  your  lights  are  way  too  much  for  your  tank.  Yours  would  be  a  15G  tank,  and  you  would  need  only  about  30  to  35  W  of  light.  You  get  36W  PLL  lights  which  will  be  more  than  sufficient.  More  light  means  algae!
 
 Now  about  the  dosing:
 There  are  many  systems  of  dosing.  EI,  PMDD  are  the  most  popular  ones.  EI  has  a  few  variants  also.  Now  to  determine  what  fertilization  routine  would  be  ideal  for  you,  you  have  to  take  your  tank  parameters  &  your  convenience  into  consideration.
 
 EI  (estimative  index)  is  a  modern  method  mainly  aimed  at  'high  tech'  tanks.  High  tech  means,  high  light  (2.5  -  3  WPG  or  maybe  higher),  pressurized  CO2  setup,  nutrient  rich  substrate,  dense  plantation,  high  demand  plants  etc.  But  there  is  a  variant  in  EI  for  'low  tech'  tanks  also.
 
 PMDD  (poor  man's  dosing  drops)  on  the  other  hand  is  an  older  method  which  is  still  relevant.  This  is  mainly  for  'low  tech'  tanks.  Low  tech  means,  low  to  medium  light  (1.5  -  2.5  WPG),  CO2  supplementation  may  be  used  or  not  (in  any  form),  any  substrate  (DIY  or  branded),  plants  with  lower  demands  etc.
 
 Now  these  methods  are  only  indicative  and  have  to  be  customized  to  your  needs.  Both  these  systems  have  their  pros  &  cons.
 
 There  is  plenty  of  reading  material  on  the  subject  all  over  the  net  &  here  on  IAH.  Please  do  go  through  them.
 
 If  you  want  specific  suggestions/advice,  please  give  full  tank  specs.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:40 am Post subject: Re: clarification needed about dosing fertz Reply with quote

 My  tank  specifications  :
 
 2ft  (2*1*1)  tank  
 Contro  soil  2mm  10L  along  with  bio  base  and  German  aqua  clay
 Lighting  55w  pll  lighting  
 Pressurized  CO2  at  3bps  only  when  lights  are  On
 
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 Cabomba
 Rotala  roundifolia  red
 Star  grass
 Valisneria  twister
 Egeria  densa  
 runner  amazon
 dwarf  saggitaria
 Crypto  parva
 Christmas  moss  on  driftwood  
 
 Fauna  :
 Neon  tetra  
 rummy  nose  tetra
 two  spotted  danios
 feather  fin  (thread  fin)rainbow
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:00 am Post subject: Re: clarification needed about dosing fertz Reply with quote

 Once  you  calculate  the  recommended  dosing  for  a  week,  you  could  divide  by  three  and  dose  it  on  alternate  days.  Alternatively  dose  macros  weekly  after  water  change  and  micros  on  alternate  days.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:31 am Post subject: Re: clarification needed about dosing fertz Reply with quote

 @rahul  
 Oh  ok  ,  thanks  rahul  
 
 But  how  do  I  calculate  how  much  to  dose  for  a  week  ?
 
 @Athreyan  
 I  have  read  many  articles  and  posts  on  both  EI  and  pmdd  
 But  to  me  I  have  not  been  able  to  get  a  clear  picture  about  it  ,  that's  why  I'm  seeking  help  here
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: clarification needed about dosing fertz Reply with quote

 Here  are  my  recommendations  on  nutrients  dosage.
   
 
 Mixing  Directions...
 
 Take  6  bottles  of  500ml  (600ml  sprite  bottle  are  good  enough).
 Cover  them  with  black  plastic  cover  or  paper.  (recommended)
 
   
 
 Label  the  bottles  like  this.
 
 Nitrate  KNO3  (60  gms  in  500  ml  of  water)
 Phosphate   KH2PO4  (10  gms  in  500  ml  of  water)
 Potassium   K2SO4  (40  gms  in  500  ml  of  water)
 Magnesium   MgSO4*7H2O  (60  gms  in  500  ml  of  water)
 Chelated  Iron  (10  gms  in  500  ml  of  water)
 CSM+B  (15  gms  in  500  ml  of  water)
 
   Macro  nutrients
 
             Nitrate  KNO3                                 -  Add  60  gms  in  500  ml  of  water
             Phosphate  KH2PO4                 -  Add  10  gms  in  500  ml  of  water
             Potassium  K2SO4                     -  Add  40  gms  in  500  ml  of  water
             Magnesium  MgSO4*7H2O  -  Add  60  gms  in  500  ml  of  water
 
 Micro  nutrients
 
             Chelated  Iron                                          -  Add  10  gms  in  500  ml  of  water   (Optional)
             CSM+B                                               -  Add  15  gms  in  500  ml  of  water
 
 Dosing  Directions...
 
 Add  5ml  each  of  this  solution  after  every  30  litre  water  change.
 Please  note  that  30  litre  is  not  the  size  of  the  tank  but  the  amount  of  water  you  changed.
 50%  water  change  every  week  is  needed  before  you  add  fertilizers.
 
 This  dosage  is  at  the  lower  side  and  brings  the  lower  sides  of  ppm  levels.
 
 If  you  are  finding  everything  going  fine,  you  can  slowly  increase  the  dosage.
 
 You  can  keep  this  5ml  as  minimum  dosage  and  10ml  as  maximum  dosage.
 
   
 
 Normally  plants  gets  Calcium  and  Magnesium  from  the  water  we  add.
 
 So  Calcium  and  Magnesium  supplements  are  not  always  necessary.  (Especially  when  you  use  tap  water/Hard  water)
 
 Using  water  from  RO  water  filter  is  recommended  as  we  don't  know  the  nutrients  level  in  the  tap  water.
 
   
 
 If  you  are  dosing  CSM+B,  Iron  dosing  is  not  needed.
 
 But  you  can  dose  iron  if  you  want  to  increase  the  iron  ppm  levels.
 
 1gm  of  Iron  will  give  double  the  ppm  levels  of  iron  what  1gm  of  Csm+B  gives
 
   
 
 Phosphate  will  make  your  water  cloudy  and  plants  get  this  from  the  fish  food.
 
 So  if  you  are  adding  a  good  amount  of  fish  food  to  the  tank,  you  can  reduce  the  Phosphates  dosing.
 
 Add  iron  and  Csm+B  just  before  you  switches  off  your  light  at  night.
 
 And  the  others  (macros)  in  the  day  time  after  your  water  change.
 
   
 
 If  you  notice  the  symptom  of  any  deficiency  in  your  tank,  add  a  little  extra  of  that  nutrient.
 
 Overdosing   nutrients  (especially  Phosphates,  Nitrates  and  Iron)  can  cause  algae  issues.
 
   
 
 These  are  my  recommendations  or  my  way  of  doing.
 
 Some  other  person  will  have  his  way  of  doing.
 
 So  you  can  read  forums  and  discuss  with  others  before  you  decide  your  way  of  doing.
 
 
 WARNING:  I  will  NOT  have  any  responsibility  if  you  face  any  issue  after  following  my  dosing  methods.
 
 P.S  :  This  is  he  dosage  recommended  by  Sujoy  Thomas  to  me.  He  is  also  a  member  in  this  forum.
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 Thank  you  hrishi  ,  the  same  recommendations  were  given  to  me  by  sujo  sir
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 Thank  you  hrishi  ,  the  same  recommendations  were  given  to  me  by  sujo  sir
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