Joined: Nov 23, 2011 Posts: 1881 Location: Bangalore, Prakashnagar.
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
The prices you have quote for might be on the higher side, But it all depends on the brand and kind of stuff you got quote for..
For example a canister with a certain capacity might cost Rs 8800 from a very reputed brand, but the same capacity filter might be available at 3500 from Chinese make.. so, you see.. you just cant say plainly a filter and expect us to let you know whether the price is right or not.
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
Welcome to the club
I was so new to planted tank couple of years back and in the last 2 years I had a spent a lot on unwanted things esp. due to impatience and lack of knowledge Most of the people here do that and then become experts.
This hobby is definitely not difficult, but you certainly need to know lot of things, yes the list is really vast. Most of the seniors had already mentioned that previously, just in one word you are trying to mimic nature, so to do that you need to understand lot of things.
First, to get a simple setup you don't need to spend much. Get a basic 20-25G glass tank, it is not going to cost you a lot.
Second, get a nice filter, do invest on this. Because filter becomes the heart of your setup. Get a canister filter(sunsun or dolphin), it will help you in a very long run(5-6yrs at least)
Third, look at DIY projects for light setup. As other mentioned go with simple CFL setup. Don't go for high lighting initially that will give you lot of problems.
Fourth, Look at DIY Co2, in Chennai you will sure get good number of days of CO2. FYI - I am running a 2+2ltr CO2 in my heavily planted tank, it runs for 14-18days without any problem
Fifth, Don't spend money on substrate. First layer use vermicompost + other organic and mix with laterite/clay. Then add any high CEC substrate as second layer and finally river sand. This will give you super rich substrate.
Read about dirt tanks. Many use the term its organic and other scary words, actually its not bad at all, in nature its all organic. FYI - I have a dirt tank 2-3in of organic+Clay as first layer. Plants are growing crazy and have sensitive fishes in my tank they don't seem to bother about organic substrate. The only issue is when you re scape you disturb the substrate a lot. Its again depends on how you plan
Sixth - Don't go with appearance of plants, esp red plants. Get hardy plants like anubias,fern,crypt,moss,ludwigia,rotala and similar plants. LFS will bill you more on these plants, get plants from forum, you can easily get it.
In Kolathur you can get everything, but make sure you have control over what you are doing.
Seventh - Select community fishes, you need a combination. Meaning, you need fishes to ensure algae is eaten, you need fish to eat left over food, you need fishes for visual appearance..the list goes. So the idea is you need to mimic nature's balancing strategy. Ex : Neon tetra for visual appearance/schooling behavior,Otos to eat algae, Platy/Guppies to eat algae/dead plants/left over food...
My best guess is all of these will not cost you more than 5000INR or probably a 1000 more. Canister will be your biggest investment.
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
Hey Anil - The purpose of turning on aeration tube after lights off is to ensure CO2 levels not to go beyond dangerous levels(>30PPM). Although at this level plants will enjoy CO2 more, but fishes will slowly suffocate and die. This is just a precautionary measure.
Its necessary in case of heavily planted tank, during night plants/fish both exhale CO2, so if you don't have aeration turned on, more CO2 will get dissolved in water. Aeration will release more CO2 from water column due surface agitation.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
I started my 30l test tank 3 months back, it was a dirted tank layered with gravel, (sand maybe better). Used diy co2 with a small internal power filter (make sure theres not too much co2 put into the tank) and two 20w cfl for lights, had algae problems, but worked. Made lot of mistakes, still am dont spend too much if you are just starting, because if thers any problem ,( there will be) it might be a lot more pain. If you are going for dirted tanks, beware of anaerobic spots, they are your worst nightmare. The tank may look great from the outside, but under the soil, theres a toxic dump in the making. But the plants (algae too ) grow like crazy in the dirted tank because of the high nutrient content. look up diana walstad method. Sorry about the sentence formation.
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
Finally I took the plunge because of you fellow enthusiast . Now I got a basic 2ft tank. Trying to set things up and warming up. Did a pilot run by adding substrate and drift wood and seems I did a mistake. My eyes says that this tank is holding too much of substrate than it is supposed to. Measured it and it stands whopping 3 inches. Water is still cloudy (may be because of too much dust in the substrate? ) And secondly the intake pipe is submerged inside the substrate. I hope that might cause flow issues for external canister filter. Please share your thoughts and suggestions.
Joined: Aug 12, 2013 Posts: 39 Location: bangalore
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
You washed the substrate before putting it in the tank right? If not you may have to remove it and clean it again.
If you have already washed it, then dont worry, the white cloudy water is common and you should have a clear water in a couple of days, if the filter is run 24x7.
As per the substrate quantity, 3 in. depth is fine. Search online for aquarium substrate calculator, you will get the idea.
If the intake pipe is inside the gravel, the filter will be very inefficient. You must either reduce the length of the intake pipe or reduce the depth of the substrate, I suggest the former.
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Newbie to Planted Aquarium - Need Advice
I didn't clean the substrate. But if I do it now I think it will be difficult as I have also laid a black soil on top. And also unable to upload the pic. Error is thrown while attaching "Could not upload Attachment to ./modules/Forums/files/initial_setup_401.jpg"
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