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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:17 pm Post subject: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 I  have  the  following  setup,
 
 Tank-36"x15"(W)x18'
 Filter:  JBL  Cnister  e900
 
 Fishes:
 4-Pseudotropheus  socolofi  
 4-Labidochromis  caeruleus  
 1-Metriaclima  estherae  
 
 The  caeruleus  and  estherae  are  peaceful  with  mild  aggression,whereas  the  socolofi  I  feel  are  overly  aggressive.  The  dominant  male  constantly  chases  the  other  3  fishes  and  the  poor  chaps  are  confined  mostly  to  corners  in  tank,even  then  the  dominant  fish  chases  and  harasses  them.  No  matter  how  many  hiding  spots  I  give,  he'll  raid  all  the  other  caves  and  drive  out  any  fish  inside.
 
 I  tried  to  attach  a  pic,  though  it  was  under  256kb  and  in  jpg  format  wasn't  able  to  upload  the  same!.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 remove  the  dominant  male  for  a  week.  then  put  him  back  in  the  tank.  he  would  lose  his  alpha  male  status  by  that  time
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 Should  have  mentioned,  I  already  tried  this  but  unfortunately  he  reverts  to  old  behaviour  in  no  time  at  all.  Takes  him  a  day  at  most.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 completely  re  arrange  the  set  up  and  check.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 From  what  I  have  read  below  is  what  people  do  in  mbuna  tank  for  agression
 
 1.  Change  the  complete  hardscape  of  the  tank  so  that  the  fish  loses  track  of  its  territory
 2.  it  is  advisable  to  overstock  in  Mbuna  tanks  to  scatter  the  agression.  
 3.  remove  the  problem  maker  for  some  time  and  bring  him  back
 4.  add  lots  of  cave  and  rocks  so  that  the  chase  breaks  and  the  chaser  loses  track  of  the  other  fish.
 
 Please  not  It  is  not  from  my  experience  so  wait  for  others  to  confirm
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 Guys  thank  you  all  for  the  suggestions,  i'd  like  to  mention  that  I  had  tried  changing  the  hardscape  and  keeping  him  in  a  separate  tank  for  a  week  sometime  back  in  December,  things  were  ok  for  a  few  days  (after  changing  hardscape)  but  he's  the  largest  of  all  fishes  in  the  tank  so  it  was  easy  to  establish  dominance  again.  I'm  also  attaching  a  few  pics  of  my  tank  setup.  Kindly  take  a  look  
 
 http://s34.photobucket.com/user/shashanknk/library/Mbuna%20Setup?sort=3&page=1
 
 I'm  not  too  sure  if  I  can  add  more  fishes,  will  the  tank  and  filtration  take  it  ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 Hello  Shashank,
 
 Put  in  more  rocks  into  your  tank,  this  will  provide  more  hiding  spaces  for  the  fish.  Chasing  and  harassment  will  always  be  there  in  a  cichlid  tank.  If  the  dominant  male  chases  all  the  fish  in  the  tank,  it  won't  create  much  problem.  Take  care  that  it  doesn't  target  a  single  fish.  This  is  what  I  have  learnt  from  my  past  experience.  I  have  placed  coconut  shells  and  pots  inside  the  tank  for  hiding  places.  You  too  can  try  out.  
 
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 There  is  not  much  that  you  can  do  except  for  taking  out  the  dominant  fish.
 Also  yellow  labs  tend  to  do  better  in  large  groups,  8-10.
 If  a  fish  is  bigger  than  others  it  will  continue  to  do  so.
 You  have  already  taken  step  to  break  his  dominance,  you  can  try  partitioning  the  tank  for  a  little  while.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

                                                   
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There  is  not  much  that  you  can  do  except  for  taking  out  the  dominant  fish.
 Also  yellow  labs  tend  to  do  better  in  large  groups,  8-10.
 If  a  fish  is  bigger  than  others  it  will  continue  to  do  so.
 You  have  already  taken  step  to  break  his  dominance,  you  can  try  partitioning  the  tank  for  a  little  while.                

 
 Is  it  advisable  to  add  more  labs  to  the  tank  ?  Won;t  the  bioload  be  high  ?
 
 
                                                 
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Hello  Shashank,
 
 Put  in  more  rocks  into  your  tank,  this  will  provide  more  hiding  spaces  for  the  fish.  Chasing  and  harassment  will  always  be  there  in  a  cichlid  tank.  If  the  dominant  male  chases  all  the  fish  in  the  tank,  it  won't  create  much  problem.  Take  care  that  it  doesn't  target  a  single  fish.  This  is  what  I  have  learnt  from  my  past  experience.  I  have  placed  coconut  shells  and  pots  inside  the  tank  for  hiding  places.  You  too  can  try  out.  
 
 
 Regards
 Agnelo                

 
 Thanks  for  the  tip!  Yes,  I  went  through  your  tank  pics  and  realized  I  would  need  more  rocks,  have  cleaned  them  up  and  will  put  them  in  over  the  weekend.  I  also  got  the  lights  fixed  yesterday  and  I  find  that  the  aggression  in  the  tanks  has  reduced.  The  socolofi  only  goes  after  other  socolofi's,  doesn't  bother  much  with  other  tank  mates.
 
 Will  update  after  I  add  the  rocks
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 I  guess  you  can  add  few  more  of  them..and  make  some  arrangements  for  all  of  them.  Add  few  pots/coconut  shells  etc  to  give  house  to  everyone.
 Mbunas  will  chase  to  one  another  and  that  is  quite  natural.  make  them  busy  with  their  own  home  arrangements,  sand  digging  etc.  
 A  big  group  of  fish  always  help  but  you  have  to  be  careful  about  the  water  quality  and  change  it  more  often  to  decrease  the  bioload.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 Just  checked  with  the  LFS,  they're  expecting  new  stocks  only  after  2  weeks  or  so.  Meanwhile  have  added  the  new  rocks
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 Hey  Shashank,  
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Aggression in Mbunas Reply with quote

 You  have  tried  nearly  all  tricks.  Now  try  this.
 
 Normally  the  males  fight  for  females.  So  if  you  remove  the  females  you  should  see  a  peaceful  tank.  In  show  tanks  generally  only  males  are  added  AFAIR.  +  space  and  hideout  constrain  are  relatively  more  strong  a  reason,  tank  is  bit  small.
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 So  after  adding  the  new  rocks,  I  decided  to  change  the  substrate  to  finely  sieved  sand,  since  I'd  removed  rocks  while  taking  the  substrate  out.  I  decided  to  try  a  setup  without  any  rocks  at  all.  Surprisingly,  the  fishes  weren't  scared  at  all.  Instead  the  aggression  is  now  very  rare  and  the  fish  are  also  more  interactive  than  before  (previously  they'd  hide  in  their  caves  the  moment  anyone  came  within  2  feet  of  the  tank)  Let  me  see  how  many  days  this  will  work.
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