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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:03 pm Post subject: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hello  friends  
 after  5  years  in  this  hobby  
 I  personally  feel  that  doing  regular  water  changes  
 in  a  saltwater  aquarium  is  a  big  myth.
 There  is  no  need  of  water  change  if  you  control  salinity
 pH.
 nitrate  and  pH  control  can  be  done  by  any  method.
 I  have  one100  galon  fish  only  tank  with  damsels  anthias  wimple  butterfly  and  yellow  tang
 No  water  changes  since  last  one  year  
 another  nano  with  corals  and  clownish  and  cardinals
 no  water  changes  since  last  four  months
 ANY  COMMENTS,  ?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:57 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 All  i  can  say  is  you  are  lucky.  Water  change  is  like  insurance  to  the  water  problems  that  haven't  shown  up  in  your  water  test  readings.
 You  can  measure  the  water  parameters  but  you  cannot  measure  every  biological  reaction  in  the  tank.
 
 Water  change  is  probably  the  least  thing  that  we  enjoy  about  our  hobby  but  it  is  also  one  of  the  most  important  things  that  we  need  to  do.  It  become  even  more  important  incase  of  a  NANO  setup  as  mentioned  above  by  you.
 
 As  you  already  know  we  do  water  changes  for  the  following  reasons.
 1.  reduce  pollution  in  our  aquariums,  water  change  is  the  best  way  to  dilute  the  pollution  levels  in  our  tanks.
 2.  replenish  the  trace  elements  and  minerals  that  over  time  are  reduced  in  the  tank  water.
 3.  best  way  to  avoid  algae  overrun  in  our  tanks.
 4.  Water  change  allows  us  to  clear  the  waste  that  tend  to  get  caught  in  the  gravel  when  we  suck  out  the  water  using  the  gravel  vacuum.  (  these  do  not  tend  to  showup  in  test  )
 
 
 Though  most  of  the  above  can  be  maintained  by  regular  and  fantastic  maintenance  but  time  will  come  when  we  might  just  fail.  
 Water  change  is  still  the  best  way  to  keep  the  levels  in  check.  Incorporating  it  in  are  regular  schedules  will  save  a  lot  of  us  from  undue  shock  and  dispair  of  loosing  our  tank  mates.
 
 Having  said  the  above  it  is  important  not  to  do  huge  water  change  unless  there  is  a  huge  problem.   small  water  changes  at  shorter  timeline  are  the  best.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 @Original  Poster:  LOL.
 How  do  you  remove  nitrates?  Any  aquarium,  whether  freshwater,  or  saltwater,  will  eventually  have  nitrates  forming  in  the  water,  because  of  the  nitrogen  cycle.  How  do  you  remove  these?
 
 I  read  on  another  site,  that  basically,  in  nature,  the  fish  waste  is  carried  away  by  the  flow.  This  is  not  so  in  a  limited  space  such  as  an  aquarium.  Not  making  PWCs  is  like  living  in  a  small  closet  and  doing  number  one  number  two  in  the  same  place.
 Just  an  analogy,  mind  you.
 
 Try  agitating  the  substrate  a  little  bit,  and  see  what  happens,  what  rises  out  of  it?  This  brown  cloud  is  a  disaster  waiting  to  happen.
 
 There  is  also  the  question  of  gelbstoff.  There  is  only  so  much  that  a  filter  will  filter  out,  and  only  so  much  that  a  skimmer  can  skim.  Finally,  the  solutes,  i.e.  the  dissolved  stuff  has  to  be  removed  by  PWCs  only.
 
 You  might  have  had  some  sheer  luck  in  keeping  tanks  without  water  changes  for  so  long.  That  doesn't  mean  that  this  is  the  correct  way.  There's  a  million  hobbyists  who  swear  by  water  changes,  and  can  they  be  smitten  by  a  myth?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hmmmmm
 But  no  one  is  asking  me  that  how  I  manage  to  control  everything?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 How  do  you  keep  nitrates  low?  In  freshwater  aquarium,  plants  use  it  but  how  do  you  do  it?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Dear  vishu
 tell  me  abt  your  tank  size  lights  and  setup
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 18g  planted,  medium  light(2.55  watt  per  gallon)  with  diy  root  tabs  and  fertz.  I  do  10%  water  change  every  week.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:38 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Increase  co2  level  in  your  tank
 limit  fertiliser  dosing  untill  nitrate  comes  down
 also  control  feeding  food
 lights  upto  16  hours
 
 
 
 
 For  my  marine  friends  this  is  not  my  sheer  luck
 it's  the  result  of  long  reading  periods  experiments
 I  will  post  soon  for  them  that  how  to  stabilise  a  natural  cycle  that  needs  no  water  changes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:22 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f190/riddle-me-this-batman-no-water-changes-for-3-years-80768-3.html
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:26 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 @neilpatel.
 
 Just  read  the  link  you  posted.  Kudos  you  are  managing  to  do  all  that  without  any  error.
 
 I  wouldn't  still  call  water  change  a  myth.  For  most  of  the  hobbiest  water  change  is  still  the  best  way  to  ensure  thing  will  most  probably  be  correct.  Not  everyone  can  maintain  the  schedule  as  mentioned  in  the  post.
 
 And  frankly  speaking  i  am  not  convinced  by  the  post  either.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:36 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 +1  Vikas  !!
 
 Although  the  idea  of  yearly  water  changes  is  enticing,  I  don't  want  to  deny  my  fish  and  plants  the  pleasure  of  periodic  fresh  water.
 Honestly,  to  me  it  feels  like  a  choice  between  staying  locked  up  in  a  room  with  AC  and  opening  the  windows  to  allow  fresh  air  in.  I  would  stick  to  the  latter  Smile   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:53 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Its  like  the  space  pen  story.
 
 Your  secret  is  a  oversize  dual  beckett  skimmer,  and  seachem  purigen?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 How  do  you  remove  the  fish  poop???  1  year  worth  of  fish  poop  is  a  lot  of  poops!  I  am  frustrated  by  the  poop  accumulation  of  a  week  in  my  tank!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:35 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Friends
 for  freshwater  aquariums  w.c.will  definitely  a  good  solution  for  all  espect.  It's  cheap  n   easy  .I  am  not  opposing  for  that.
 My  concern  is  for  saltwater  aquarium  where  we  the  hobbyists  are  fully  depend  upon  the  LFS  or  the  advices  from  the  people  who  sell  their  products  and  gain  a  lot  money.Mostly  all  websites  and  forums  advice  us  to  do  this  or  that,which  ultimately  cost  in  rs.  to  us.
 With  my  post  I  am  trying  to  say  that  don't  follow  others  Make  study  and  try  to  find  out  the  truth.
 For  saltwater  aquarium,  we  know  it's  a  costly.over  and  above  if  we  go  for  regular  water  changes,  again  we  adding  cost.then  we  have  to  find  a  way  for  how  to  reduce  maintenance  cost.Particularly  in  india  it's  very  difficult  to  maintain  this  hobby.
 With  this  topic  Why  can't  we  share  our  experiance  so  that  it  will  be  helpful  to  all  of  us.
 Please  ref.the  above  link  of  thereeftank  .com
 Algae  scrubber  is  the  best  n  cheap  solution  for  most  of  the  problems.
 
 If  the  tank  is  fish  only,  no  additives  or  suppliments  are  required  except  food.Again  why  suppliments  are  needed?  Because  the  food  is  not  perfect.  Think  on  this.
 Regarding  the  A.C.room  and  open  windows,  my  friend  the  tank  is  a  closed  room  and  the  ocean  only  can  provide  an  open  window
 Requeted  all  friends  to  comment.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:17 am Post subject: Re: water changes in marine aquarium Reply with quote

 A  friend  of  mine  has  a  FOWLR  150L  Boyu  tank  with  top  filter,  no  skimmer.  Has  one  Clown  and  a  Starky  Damsel.  Tank  gets  approx  10%  WC  when  I  visit  his  house  randomly  once  in  2-3  months.  I  use  this  tank  water  to  rinse  the  filter  media.  Apart  from  this,  he  tops  up  any  evaporation.  Rest  the  tank  is  untouched,  is  been  up  and  running  since  a  couple  of  years.   No  supplements,  no  test,  except  for  salinity  when  I  do  WCs.  Maybe  the  low  bioload  and  tons  of  LR  is  doing  the  trick.  But  that  is  how  it  is.
 
 I  have  also  heard  about  a  renowned  LFS  maintaining  their  planted  tank  by  only  topping  up  the  evaporation  and  on  WC.
 
 Everyone  has  a  different  approach  towards  the  hobby,  some  like  to  keep  it  simple,  visual  observation  is  the  only  test  they  do  and  some  are  very  particular,  use  kits,  etc.  to  determine  the  status  of  the  tank.  To  me  both  the  approaches  are  correct,  as  long  as  fishes  are  happy  and  healthy.
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