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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:58 pm Post subject: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

 Hello  Everyone!  
 
 I  am  new  to  IAH  and  I  am  glad  to  be  here.  I  have  been  doing  this  hobby  for  more  than  20  years  but  every  time  I  have  a  loss  my  fishes  die  I  leave  a  huge  gap  till  this  hobby  creeps  in  again.  So  my  last  fish  was  a  flower  horn  which  was  with  me  for  about  3  years  and  died  due  to  reason  unknown.  I  left  the  hobby  for  about  3  years  and  again  started  it  now.  This  time  I  wanted  to  make  my  take  a  adorable  Goldy  tank.  Follow  the  basic  instructions  from  IAH  and  this  is  my  first  time  trying  fish  keeping  in  Bangalore.
 
 I  brought  my  old  tank  (3LX1WX1H  all  in  Feet)  to  life  again  and  my  old  sponge  filter  was  good  to  use  it.  Let  the  tank  to  cycle  with  all  decorations  placed  and  bought  a  two  pairs  of  adult  gold  fishes  looked  very  healthy.  First  one  died  on  the  third  day  after  setup,  which  was  quite  active  than  other.  Since  it  was  a  new  setup  my  family  members  was  too  ignorant  to  over  feed  them  without  knowing  about  Gold  fish.   Sad        
 
 Later  my  favourite  goldie  in  white  started  to  sit  idle  and  it's  mouth  started  to  look  odd,  two  days  passed  it  became  worse  and  it's  mouth  started  to  corrode,  now  she  is  missing  her  lips  with  a  open  mouth.  Now  the  fish  looks  like  a  Zombie  fish.  She  couldn't  eat  properly,  but  she  is  as  good  as  new  after  moving  it  to  QT.  I  am  using  the  local  fungal  medicine  from  the  fish  store.  Looks  like  it  is  working  to  a  level,  but  cure  in  nowhere  seen  near.  
 
 Please  help  me  save  her!  My  QT  is  not  a  glass  tank,  so  I  can't  give  you  a  clear  photo  now.  If  you  really  need  I  can  post  it,  but  trust  me  no  one  would  ever  like  to  see  a  cute  beautiful  Goldfish  like  this.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

 After  reading  your  post,  I  just  googled  it  and  got  to  know  this  is  a  serious  bacterial  mouth  disease  on  goldfish.
 I  don't  want  to  sound  like  a  Doc  or  expert  but  you  should  stop  your  fungal  med  as  that  is  going  no  where.
 
 Probably  more  experienced  goldfish  people  can  answer.  Clean  tank,  clean  water  are  must.
 Meds  are  available  but  not  sure  if  the  lips  will  grow  back.
 
 Welcome  to  forum  btw.  Drinking
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

   Yes,  even  I  got  the  same  information  everywhere,  but  nowhere  the  real  cure  is  given.  In  most  websites  if  it  gets  severe  the  fish  can't  bare  and  it  die  eventually.  
 
 Yesterday  I  cleaned  the  QT  and  examined  the  fish.  She  is  quite  active,  fins  look  great  and  moves  around.  So  I  cleaned  my  main  tank  and  brought  her  back  to  my  main  tank.  She  looks  happy  and  eats  food,  but  still  the  mouth  has  damage.  Now  after  treating  her  with  the  fungal  medicine  I  could   see  the  bacteria  spreading  is  completely  stopped.  
 
 Let  me  put  he  in  the  main  tank  and  observe  changes.  Will  keep  you  guys  posted  on  the  changes.
 
 Few  pics  of  the  affected  fish  and  the  partner  for  comparison.  Please  pardon  the  photo  quality:  
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

 Firstly,  I  would  recommend  asking  google,  as  to  what  all  you  should  do  in  the  process  of  setting  up  a  new  fish  tank.  Also,  check  on  google  to  find  out  why  fish  in  a  new  tank  die  on  the  third  day.  You  have  mentioned  that  you  have  let  the  tank  cycle  with  the  ornaments,  etc.  What  exactly  did  you  do,  to  bring  about  this  cycling?  A  fish  dying  on  the  3rd  day  is  a  prime  indicator  of  an  non-cycled  tank.  The  ammonia  cycle  has  not  yet  been  established.
 Here's  the  catch,  goldfish  are  usually  able  to  survive  this  cycling.  Does  your  water  contain  chlorine,  or  ammonia  or  chloramine?  Use  a  test  kit,  to  find  this  out.  Before  adding  water  to  the  tank,  let  it  stand  overnight  with  an  airstone  running  in  it.
 
 Fish  will  get  mouth  infections  if  they  try  to  eat  food  from  the  gravel,  and  the  gravel  is  not  aquarium  safe.  The  gravel  or  other  ornaments  may  have  sharp  edges,  which  hurt  the  fish's  skin,  and  it  gets  infected.
 
 I  am  just  saying  that,  there  are  umpteen  number  of  reasons  which  may  have  caused  your  fish  to  die.  Please  diagnose  further  before  buying  any  new  fish.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

 Nighty!  You  have  mentioned  the  most  basic  things.
 
 Apart  from  that  gallons  per  fish  ratio.
 Gold  fish  are  pond  fish,  they  can't  be  kept  in  a  small  aquarium.  They  are  cold  water  fish.  But  nobody  has  ever  put  a  chiller!   Chuckle  
 
 Watch  the  food  you  been  feeding!
 Intestinal  distress  in  goldfish  is  a  very  common  problem.you  fist  want  to  avoid  this  by  feeding  foods  with  the  best  ingredients  and  keeping  your  fish  in  water  with  the  Proper  Electrolyte  levels.
 It  is  also  important  to  soak  dry  fish  foods  (especially  pelleted  foods)  for  5  minutes  to  prevent  ingestion  of  air  that  is  trapped  within  dry  fish  foods,  this  air  can  lead  to  indigestion  or  even  severe  problems  such  as  Aeromonas  Bacteria  infections.
 Pet  saaf  toh  sab  thik   Surprised  
 
 The  amount  of  food  you  feed.  They  say  as  per  theory  the  size  of  fish  tummy  is  as  its  eye  balls.  Hence  you  gotta  take  care  of  feeding  quantity.  Metabolism  of  fish  is  very  low.  It  requires  less  food.  No  to  3  times  a  day  lfs  slogans.  
 
 Good  Water  parameters  are  must  for  goldfish,  lifespan  of  goldfish  are  25  to  30  years  in  captivity.
 
 Flowehorn  they  stay  10  something  years  but  can't  get  past  3  to  5  in  captivity  because  life  of  a  fh  depends  on  its  genetics,  food  and  water  para.
 Most  of  the  feeds  for  fh  are  laced  with  hormones.  Life  of  a  fh  who  has  been  overfed  is  generally  less  then  the  one  moderately  fed.  But  who  the  hell  does?  They  want  nunnys  and  heads  and  colors.  Lolz
 Apart  from  that  whatever  creates  stress  on  the  fish  ducks  the  fish.  In  fh  cases  extensive  breeding,  breeding  before  maturity  etc.
 Most  of  the  breeders  focus  on  physical  attributes  then  definitely  it  will  result  in  genetically  weaken  fish.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

 You  buddy  bought  your  old  tank  and  old  SPONGE  filter  to  life  and  live  fish  to  near  death.  Much  appreciated  that  you  posted  the  issue  hence  we  all  can  learn  from  others.
 Sponge  is  nearly  extinct  in  western  countries.  People  these  days  have  MarinePure,  seachem  matrix,  k1  moving  bed,  sintered  glass,  ceramic  rings  etc  etc
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Cottonmouth on Goldfish Reply with quote

 Gold  fish  are  very  high  bioload  fish.  You  have  put  fish  in  a  uncycled  tank.  How  long  did  you  cycle  it.
 Do  you  have  a  ammonia  test  kit,  if  not  get  one.
 You  also  need  a  good  quality  filter,  a  simple  sponge  filter  is  inadequate  for  a  gold  fish  tank.
 As  your  fish  are  responding  with  the  treatment  continue  the  treatment  as  given  on  the  bottle.
 Keep  up  with  large  water  changes,  always  decholrinate  the  water.
 You  need  to  dilute  both  ammonia  and  nitrites.
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