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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:19 pm Post subject: Restarting hobby - Planted pico setup [Pics Updated] Reply with quote

 Hi  Friends,
 
 Hope  you  are  doing  great!
 I  am  returning  to  this  hobby  after  a  short  break  and  want  to  seek  your  guidance  to  avoid  any  obvious  mistakes  that  I  might  make,  out  of  haste  or  excitement.  But  if  I  may  say,  I  do  have  little  experience  (~2  years)  in  fish  keeping  and  planted  tanks  and  am  aware  of  some  of  the  basics.  So  kindly  guide  me  accordingly.
 
 Below  is  my  what  I  possess  and  also  what  my  target  is.  
 What  I  am  most  concerned  about  is  if  the  LED  lights  I  have  are  good  enough  for  the  low-tech  forest-like  setup  I  am  planning.
 I  will  try  to  post  some  pics  shortly.
 
 Tank:
 18Lx7Wx6H  (approx  15  litres)
 
 Light:
 Chinese  made  White+Blue  LED  Clip-on,  around  2.5W  power  consumption
 
 Filter:
 Chinese  HOB,  200LPH
 
 Substrate:
 Few  kgs  River  gravel,  approx  3-6mm  grain  size
 
 Target  Setup:
 Low  maintenance,  low  cost(?),  low-tech,  forest  look  (no  fancy  scape)
 
 Target  Flora:
 Anything  low-light  that's  small  enough  to  fit  in  my  tank,  works  with  my  lights  and  can  resemble  a  jungle  look  
 
 Target  Fauna:
 Single  Betta,  with  may  be  few  RCS
 
 Back-up:
 I  have  all  the  required  ferts  and  liquid  Co2  spared  from  my  previous  setups,  but  want  to  NOT  use  any  of  these.
 
 Hope  to  hear  from  you.  Thanks  so  much  in  advance.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 Here  are  some  mobile  pics  (sorry  for  the  bad  size)  of  my  tank  and  the  clip-on  light  I  have.
 You  think  this  could  work?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 All  the  best!  Good  luck  with  this  one
 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 Thanks  @SumanG  :)
 
 Anybody,  any  inputs?  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 hi.  i  have  a  similar  sized  tank  with  betta,  which  i  am  planning  to  convert  to  a  planted  one.
 i  dont  have  much  knowledge  in  planted  tanks,  just  my  thinking  
 
 as  you  are  using  only  river  gravel  as  substrate  without  fert  dosing,  will  it  sustain  plant  growth?  waste  from  your  fish  will  be  less  for  forest  like  growth
 
 may  be  you  can  add  some  root  tabs  or  go  walstad  way
 but  just  note  the  point  that  walstad  herself  have  told  that  for  nano  tanks  water  changes  have  to  be  done  more  frequently  even  for  el  natural  setups.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

                                                   
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hi.  i  have  a  similar  sized  tank  with  betta,  which  i  am  planning  to  convert  to  a  planted  one.
 i  dont  have  much  knowledge  in  planted  tanks,  just  my  thinking  
 
 as  you  are  using  only  river  gravel  as  substrate  without  fert  dosing,  will  it  sustain  plant  growth?  waste  from  your  fish  will  be  less  for  forest  like  growth
 
 may  be  you  can  add  some  root  tabs  or  go  walstad  way
 but  just  note  the  point  that  walstad  herself  have  told  that  for  nano  tanks  water  changes  have  to  be  done  more  frequently  even  for  el  natural  setups.                

 
 Hi  Anand,
 
 Thaks  for  your  inputs.
 Sorry,  forgot  to  mention  earlier,  I  do  have  osmocote  tabs  that  I  was  planning  to  add  below  the  substrate.  Although  I  was  successful  getting  a  dense  growth  in  a  low-tech  pico  with  the  same  setup  (except  light  was  a  3W  eveready  LED  bulb),  it  took  almost  a  year  to  come  by.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 Welcome  back  Abhi,
 
 I  think  the  lights  should  work  for  a  low  light  set  up.
 
 
                                                 
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hi.  i  have  a  similar  sized  tank  with  betta,  which  i  am  planning  to  convert  to  a  planted  one.  
 i  dont  have  much  knowledge  in  planted  tanks,  just  my  thinking  
 
 as  you  are  using  only  river  gravel  as  substrate  without  fert  dosing,  will  it  sustain  plant  growth?  waste  from  your  fish  will  be  less  for  forest  like  growth  
 
 may  be  you  can  add  some  root  tabs  or  go  walstad  way  
 but  just  note  the  point  that  walstad  herself  have  told  that  for  nano  tanks  water  changes  have  to  be  done  more  frequently  even  for  el  natural  setups.                

 
 Hi  Anand,
 
 Yes  you  can  grow  plants  with  just  river  gravel,  root  tabs  and  without  dosing.  Crypts  are  great  plants  for  this  kind  of  tanks.
 
 Cheers
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 @Aquaholic  -  Thanks  so  much  Vincent  sir!  I  will  go  ahead  with  this  setup  then  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Need help for planted betta pico setu Reply with quote

 Here's  how  the  final  tank  setup  looks  like.
 Although  I  wanted  to  do  a  simplistic  setup  with  just  moss  and  a  single  betta  as  the  fauna,  one  thing  led  to  another  and  I  ended  up  with  a  full  time  planted  tank.  Please  feel  free  to  give  your  inputs  on  the  goods  and  bads  of  this  setup.
 
 Time  since  established:  3  months
 
 Substrate:  Crushed  black  marble  chips
 Hardscape:  Seiryu  stones  with  driftwood  self-collected  from  Kaveri  river  banks  at  Talakaadu.
 Filtration:  200lph  HOB
 Aeration:  200lph  Powerhead  with  flow  directed  upwards  to  break  the  water  surface
 Light:  6W  LED  Bracket,  7  hours  in  a  stretch  on  timer
 
 Flora:
 Cryptocoryne  Wendtii  Green  (Courtesy:  Nidhi)
 Staurogyne  Repens  (Courtesy:  Nidhi)
 Hydrocotyle  Tripartita  Honda  (Courtesy:  Shelly)
 Christmas  Moss  (Courtesy  ShankarB)
 Cryptocoryne  Mi-Oya
 Anternanthera  Reinickii  Mini
 
 Fauna:
 Otocinlus  -  2
 Neon  Tetras  -  6
 Assassin  Snail  -  1  (Courtesy:  Syed  Anees)
 Red  Cherry  Shrimps  -  8-10  (Courtesy:  Syed  Anees)
 
 Dosing:
 CO2:  Flourish  Excel  0.5ml  daily
 Ferts:  NPK  macros,  CSM+B  for  micros,  Chelated  Fe  -  all  2x  per  week
 Root  tabs:  Osmocote  capsules
 
 Water  Changes:  50%  weekly  with  temperature  and  TDS/pH  matched
 
 Water  Parameters:
 TDS:  300  PPM  initially,  400  PPM  on  day  of  water  change
 pH:  ~  7.5
 gH/kH  -  not  measured
 Ammonia/Nitrites/Nitrates  -  not  measured
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Planted pico setup [Pics Updated] Reply with quote

 Forgot  to  mention,  this  setup  was  originally  intended  to  be  a  low-cost,  low-maintenance  one.  Although  the  initial  setup  was  made  with  moss  and  crypts  only,  I  soon  grew  impatient  with  the  growth  rate  and  upgraded  the  lights  and  switched  to  full  on  dosing  for  CO2  and  ferts.  There  were  algae  issues  but  I  was  able  to  phase  them  out  gradually.  I  still  do  have  some  GSA  left  but  I  managed  to  stop  any  further  damage  by  increasing  the  P  dosage.
 
 Here's  how  I  am  planning  to  convert  this  tank  to  a  true  low-tech,  step-by-step:
 1.  Introduce  floating  plants  (yet  to  collect  some  frogbit  from  Preeths)
 2.  Probably  increase  the  photo  period  to  10  hours  from  current  7  hours
 3.  Gradually  reduce  fert  dosing  from  current  2x  a  week  to  weekly,  then  none
 4.  Gradually  reduce  excel  dosing  from  current  daily  dose  to  weekly,  then  none
 5.  Probably  add  more  fauna  (within  permissible  limits)  to  increase  the  bioload  to  act  as  ferts
 6.  Add  another  HOB  to  handle  the  additional  bioload
 
 Need  some  advise  from  our  experts  here  to  know  if  I  can  pull  this  off  with  the  above  plan.
 Thanks  so  much  in  advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Planted pico setup [Pics Updated] Reply with quote

 Any  comments  from  experts  on  my  low-tech  conversion  plan  above?
 I've  been  very  lucky  so  far  with  how  the  tank  has  matured  and  dont  want  to  loose  that,  so  please  need  your  suggestions  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Planted pico setup [Pics Updated] Reply with quote

 For  a  low  tech,  If  I  were  you,  I  would:  
 
 1.)  Increase  the  flow  in  the  tank.  Hob  isn't  good  IMHO  for  this  purpose.  
 2.)  Keep  the  nutrient  dosing  in-tact.  You  may  choose  to  stop  dosing  excel.  
 3.)  Get  more  plants  (to  battle  algae).  
 4.)  Keep  photo-period  same.  
 5.)  Larger  Water  Changes.  
 
 Smaller  low  tech  tanks  are  a  challenge  compared  to  the  bigger  ones.  This  is  just  my  experience.
 
 Cheers,  
 
 Karthik
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Planted pico setup [Pics Updated] Reply with quote

                                                   
KarthikC  wrote  (View  Post):                
For  a  low  tech,  If  I  were  you,  I  would:  
 
 1.)  Increase  the  flow  in  the  tank.  Hob  isn't  good  IMHO  for  this  purpose.  
 2.)  Keep  the  nutrient  dosing  in-tact.  You  may  choose  to  stop  dosing  excel.  
 3.)  Get  more  plants  (to  battle  algae).  
 4.)  Keep  photo-period  same.  
 5.)  Larger  Water  Changes.  
 
 Smaller  low  tech  tanks  are  a  challenge  compared  to  the  bigger  ones.  This  is  just  my  experience.
 
 Cheers,  
 
 Karthik                

 
 Thanks  so  much  for  your  inputs  Karthik,  I  will  modify  my  plan  accordingly.  I  cant  agree  more  on  the  challenges  with  smaller  tanks,  lets  say  I  just  got  lucky  with  this  one   Chuckle  
 
 Although  I  didn't  quite  get  point  no.2.  If  I  am  not  dosing  excel  and  continue  the  same  fert  dosing  regime,  wouldn't  that  be  a  waste?  My  understanding  was  regualar  fert  dosing  is  only  beneficial  with  CO2  to  supplement  it.  If  I  am  cutting  down  the  light  with  floating  plants  and  stopping  excel  dosage,  wouldn't  the  2x  week  fert  dosage  be  an  overkill?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Restarting hobby - Planted pico setup [Pics Updated] Reply with quote

 Two  months  update.  The  crypts  have  filled  in  well  and  at  least  the  Wendtii  leaves  have  taken  the  typical  *hammered*  look  and  started  to  color  up  a  nice,  dark  bronze  black.  The  Mi-Oya's  have  sprouted  lots  of  new  leaves  as  you  can  see  but  they  have  grown  tall  which  is  not  exactly  to  my  liking.  The  AR  Mini's  have  more  or  less  vanished.  I  am  assuming  the  lone  red  nose  shrimp  has  a  part  to  play  here  since  I've  seen  him  slicing  the  leaves  every  now  and  then.  The  Christmas  moss  is  steadily  growing  albeit  without  their  vibrant  green  colors.
 
 As  for  the  cherries,  they  are  breeding  like  bunnies  and  I  see  tons  of  babies  grazing  on  the  moss  patch.
 
 Overall,  this  tank  has  got  close  to  the  "forest  look"  I  wanted  to  achieve,  only  that  its  more  of  a  bushy  forest  now   Chuckle  
 Thanks  for  all  your  help  everybody   Clapping  
 
 Next  change:
 Since  summer  is  here,  I  am  planning  to  setup  a  temperature  controlled  12v  CPU  fan  unit  and  try  to  keep  it  within  a  range  22-24  C.
 I  have  collected  all  the  required  equipment  and  will  post  an  update  once  its  ready.
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